Mojo's 50 Most 'Out There' Albums of All Time

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Interesting list?

50. Paddy McAloon - I Trawl the Megahertz
49. Basil Kirchin - Quantum
48. Ollie Patterson - Spring Song
47. Bongwater - Double Bummer
46. Ennio Morricone - Escalation
45. John Zorn - Naked City
44. AR & Machines - Echo
43. Wiliam S Fischer - Circles
42. Wild Man Fischer - An Evening with Wild Man Fischer
41. Throbbing Gristle - Second Annual Report
40. Pink Floyd - The Piper at the Gates of Dawn
39. Mercury Rev - Boces
38. Tim Buckley - Starsailor
37. Dreamies - Auralgraphic Entertainment
36. Cybotron - Cyber Ghetto
35. Ca Quintet - Trip Thru Hell
34. Barbara Streisand - ...And Other Musical Moments
33. The Stark Reality - ...Discover's Hoagy Carmichael's Music Shop
32. Steven Jesse Bernstein - Prison
31. Scott Walker - Tilt
30. Esquivel! - Four Corners of the World
29. Alexander 'Skip' Spence - Oar
28. Joe Meek and the Blue Men - I Hear A New World (An Outer Space Musical Fantasy)
27. Comets on Fire - Field Recordings from the Sun
26. Diamanda Galas - Plague Mass
25. The Monks - Black Monk Time
24. Gordon Jenkins - Seven Dreams
23. Frank Zappa - Lumpy Gravy
22. Perrey & Kingsley - Kaleidoscopic Vibratons: Spotlight on the Moog
21. Patty Waters - College Tour
20. Boredoms - Super AE
19. Hawkwind - Space Ritual Alive
18. My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
17. Lightning Bolt - Wonderful Rainbow
16. The Residents - Ralph Records 10th Anniversary Special
15. The Holy Modal Rounders - The Moral Eeels Eat...
14. The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
13. The Velvet Underground - White Light/White Heat
12. Os Mutantes - Os Mutantes
11. The Flaming Lips - Zaireeka
10. White Noise - Electric Storm
9. The United States of America - The United States of America
8. John Coltrane - Ascension
7. The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Axis:Bold as Love
6. Faust - The Faust Tapes
5. Butthole Surfers - Locust Abotion Technician
4. Funkadelic - Maggot Brain
3. Miles Davis - Agharta
2. Sun Ra - Space is the Place
1. Captain Beefheart - Trout Mask Replica

Brian Ottlestone, Thursday, 3 February 2005 22:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Worthless.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 3 February 2005 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

This coincides more directly with my top 50 than pretty much any other music mag's attempt at a top 50. Not sure how "Out There" some of these are, tho.

stephen morris (stephen morris), Thursday, 3 February 2005 22:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean come on half this shit isn't "out there" at all and the other half is the same boring crap that is on the "Best Records Ever" list they did last month.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 3 February 2005 22:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Loveless?? Space Ritual?? Super AE??!? Agharta?!?!?!??!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 3 February 2005 22:56 (twenty-one years ago)

This list seems to suggest that only jazz and rock can be "out there," too. But I guess we've come to expect that from Mojo.

stephen morris (stephen morris), Thursday, 3 February 2005 22:56 (twenty-one years ago)

no merzbow.

The Babs inclusion is funny tho. They should've added "Elvis: Live from Hawaii" too.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 3 February 2005 22:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Those are all great records btw, but none of them were exactly deviating greatly from them their respective templates with them. People didn't hear Loveless and suddenly go OHMIFUCKINGGOD this cannot be the same band that did Isn't Anything?!?! This RECORD wasn't made by human?!?! WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?!?!?! I AM GOING TO HAVE A STROKE NOW.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 3 February 2005 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

No Wesley Willis?

noodle vague (noodle vague), Thursday, 3 February 2005 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, they not heard any Alvin Lucier or John Cage. Also, Frank Zappa try too hard to be out there but really he in here.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Thursday, 3 February 2005 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, it's a list with Bongwater!

Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 3 February 2005 23:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm only familiar with:

47. Bongwater - Double Bummer
29. Alexander 'Skip' Spence - Oar
25. The Monks - Black Monk Time
14. The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
13. The Velvet Underground - White Light/White Heat
12. Os Mutantes - Os Mutantes
7. The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Axis:Bold as Love
5. Butthole Surfers - Locust Abotion Technician
4. Funkadelic - Maggot Brain

And I'd like to buy these when I have the cash:

28. Joe Meek and the Blue Men - I Hear A New World (An Outer Space Musical Fantasy)
15. The Holy Modal Rounders - The Moral Eeels Eat...
8. John Coltrane - Ascension
2. Sun Ra - Space is the Place
1. Captain Beefheart - Trout Mask Replica

Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 3 February 2005 23:10 (twenty-one years ago)

You aren't familiar with the OUTTHERENESS of MY BLOODY VALENTINE?!!?! My GOD they made songs that you couldn't hear through the shimmering guitar noise!! They were only the 600 millionth band to do it too!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 3 February 2005 23:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm trying to think what the most 'out there' album is that i've heard.

Disco Inferno - D.I Go Pop

i really can't think.

Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Thursday, 3 February 2005 23:13 (twenty-one years ago)

shoulda replaced "White Light/White Heat" with "Take No Prisoners"

Snappy (sexyDancer), Thursday, 3 February 2005 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)

no Bruce Haacke, nor Comus
*sniff*

Snappy (sexyDancer), Thursday, 3 February 2005 23:20 (twenty-one years ago)

if they were gonna include Velvets/Lou Reed "Metal Machine Music" is the obvious choice.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 3 February 2005 23:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know Sally Can't Dance is in same ways more baffling than anything else he's done. Esp. the cover.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 3 February 2005 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

or the fukkin Raven ferchissakes

Snappy (sexyDancer), Thursday, 3 February 2005 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure whether I'm happy or upset that Ween isn't in there.

billstevejim, Thursday, 3 February 2005 23:27 (twenty-one years ago)

William Shatner - The Transformed Man

Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Thursday, 3 February 2005 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Kim Fowley - "OUTrageous!"

Snappy (sexyDancer), Thursday, 3 February 2005 23:30 (twenty-one years ago)

The inclusion of Barbara Streisand is pretty funny and out there.

The Pop Group's Y is pretty wild, and even more so Mark Stewart and the Maffia's As the Veneer of Democracy Starts to Fade...which was inspired heavily by The Missing Brazilians' Warzone. Warzone is probably one of the most out-there records I have...blending depressive dancehall with dub and glitchiness and built-in hyperdistortion...and that was recorded in 1983!

Ian Riese-Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 3 February 2005 23:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Those are all great records btw, but none of them were exactly deviating greatly from them their respective templates with them. People didn't hear Loveless and suddenly go OHMIFUCKINGGOD this cannot be the same band that did Isn't Anything?!?! This RECORD wasn't made by human?!?! WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?!?!?! I AM GOING TO HAVE A STROKE NOW.

er . . . the first time I heard it, I did sort of have this response, except in a "this is the record I've always dreamed of hearing but never actually thought I would" kind of way. (and minus the Isn't Anything comparison, because I didn't know that record at the time)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 3 February 2005 23:48 (twenty-one years ago)

But you can kind of make the claim that any record that you listen to without context (any of the artist's previous work or similar artists) and which does something different from what you are used to is the most "out there" record ever. I mean after listening to more MBV and more similar bands of that era (I'm thinking the Spacemen 3 or Loop or early Jesus and Mary Chain) would or did you still think the record was "out there"?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 3 February 2005 23:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean I was blown away by MBV and that album too (and I HAD heard the EPs and stuff) but I can't imagine listening to it and thinking okay wtf is off with these people or wondering what they were thinking when they made or what the record company was thinking when they released it. It's not exactly an ODB record for example haha.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 3 February 2005 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe my definition of "Out There" is "out there" haha

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 3 February 2005 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought the list started well, with Paddy McAloon's I Trawl the Megahertz. I was expecting more late period "have they lost their marbles?" albums on there. Like that Kevin Rowland LP that reputedly only sold 20 copies, all to Tim Hopkins.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 4 February 2005 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

most of these aren't that weird at all, merely "artsy." and i assume the streisand is on there because it's "so bad it's good" or something, right? what a lame fucking list, either way.

ed charles of the kansas city a's, Friday, 4 February 2005 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)

and alex in sf is right, that my bloody valentine album isn't "out there" unless "out there" means "the first jesus and mary chain album with all the hooks and songs and fun removed". a boring idea then, a boring idea now.

ed charles of the kansas city a's, Friday, 4 February 2005 00:22 (twenty-one years ago)

actually, looking again, most of the stuff on the list that isn't merely artsy (often in a good way, but so what) is just dr. demento fare, more or less

ed charles of the kansas city a's, Friday, 4 February 2005 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I dunno, I don't think it's altogether unqualified for a list like this even if your criteria is more stringent than Mojo's. (Sgt. Pepper?!??!) I see your point--it's not unprecedented, and I knew that at the time, too--but I think the argument can be made that Loveless went so much further in its way than anything else up to that point (and even now, for the most part); I know people who don't care at all about noisemongering, and who are big big big discrete-classicist fans, who adore that album. in a sense, that's as much of its achievement as anything (yes I am straying from out-thereness as the primary topic, sorry).

xpost: I think Loveless is waaaay more fun than any JAMC I've heard, just cause it's so much more luscious sounding instead of the B&W tinniness I've always gotten off JAMC. (I like JAMC, btw, just admire them far more than adore them)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 4 February 2005 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

(and obv. the argument can be made to the opposite, that MBV added bubkes to noise. lots of arguments can be made. the one I cited is just the one I'd feel most comfortable hearing and believing, I guess.)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 4 February 2005 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyone here familiar with the majority of these albums?

Masked Gazza, Friday, 4 February 2005 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)

half of these arent even weird. there should be far more free jazz and jazz fusion in there, as well as weird noise/IDM/post-rock type of stuff. shouldnt silver apples be in there somewhere?

ppp, Friday, 4 February 2005 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah put me in the camp of people who LOOOVE noisemongering, and all manner of formal fuckery, and think that album is a twee plodding rhythm-section-less bore.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 4 February 2005 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I'm familiar with a majority of these albums.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 4 February 2005 00:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Although the first three I've never even heard of.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 4 February 2005 00:39 (twenty-one years ago)

the mbv album isn't really even all that noisy. its big innovation wasn't adding anything; its innovation if it had one was subtracting the energy and beat and vocal liveliness FROM noise-rock. noise-rock had been there all along. (though i know plenty of smart people who disagree with me, which is fine.)

ed charles of the kansas city a's, Friday, 4 February 2005 00:40 (twenty-one years ago)

GET OUT OF HERE!

So, where was Magma's Kohntarkosz and Tim Hardin's Suite for Susan Moore? If you think Mojo got it wrong now's your chance to rectify the situation. Choose the one album that you think should have been in our 50 Out There Albums list, write a short 50 word explanation of its genius in the Mojo style and send it to the usual Mappin House address or mojo@emap.com, headed 'Get Out Of Here'.
Then we'll compile a readers' list of the Top 50 Out There albums. Let the madness commence.

Brian Ottlestone, Friday, 4 February 2005 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

ILX's own Stevie Chick contributed to this btw

Brian Ottlestone, Friday, 4 February 2005 00:49 (twenty-one years ago)

44. AR & Machines - Echo


this is one of the weirder things to include. it's not THAT well known, but it is becoming MORE well known as the price for the original vinyl goes up. Which is cool. I can dig it. It's a good record. It's just a weird record to single out, because it's not all that different than a zillion other krautrock albums that came out at the time. And it's not really representative of any one sound/vision in particular. Reichel made more like it. It's not all that singular in any way.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 4 February 2005 00:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think the choices for the "Out There" list were nearly as stupid as the idea of having a "Most 'Out There' Records Of All Time" in the first place.

donut christ (donut), Friday, 4 February 2005 01:03 (twenty-one years ago)

donut christ wins and we can all go home now

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 4 February 2005 01:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, whas this the cover of the magazine? did they use old stock photos from Life Magazine articles about marijuana and LSD from the late 60s, or anything that would look good on a Something Weird Video promo flyer?

donut christ (donut), Friday, 4 February 2005 01:04 (twenty-one years ago)

"oooh, crazy waves and shapes and colors, man!"

donut christ (donut), Friday, 4 February 2005 01:05 (twenty-one years ago)

matos, you really think jesus and mary chain records sound "tinny"?

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 4 February 2005 01:08 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, always have. or maybe just grayscale/B&W rather than colorful. esp. compared to Loveless. (mostly I'm talking the first album here, later JAMC were a lot fuller sounding.) I dunno, I couldn't make it through that best-of the couple times I tried it but maybe I should've been listening differently. there's a lot there that I'm probably missing, that's all.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 4 February 2005 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost
Yeah but really it's an excuse to introduce people to a lot of stuff they haven't heard before. The write ups are all pretty interesting.

Bob Marley's on the cover

Brian Ottlestone, Friday, 4 February 2005 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

matos, you really think jesus and mary chain records sound "tinny"?

my opinion: depends on the album.

I thought the first album was almost tinny had it not been for the big ass floor tom. And Reverence is pretty damn tinny compared to the previous albums like Automatic and Barbed Wire Kisses and April Skies, etc. (haven't heard anything after Reverence)

donut christ (donut), Friday, 4 February 2005 01:11 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, see the Cro-Magnon was one that sprung to mind immediately. But then I saw they put Patty on there so I was like, "ok, that's cool though."

anyway -- So you always skip "Soon" then? -- see, my relationship to this record is such that I had to pull the thing out to even know what song you're talking about -- and I do own it. I get it -- the drum machine thing? Well, see, I guess I like my four-piece guitar-rock bands to have a little meat to their motion. Yeah, I "get" that it's all about the guitar textures, but really... I just put this thing on and I got to, what's this song? "When You Sleep"? Buncha eighth-note downstroke plodding behind with some kind of wordless wispiness on top of it? Eh, sorry I reached my limit. I just put on Monk's Dream.

but hey, we all have our own listening histories. Daydream Nation had already blown my mind the year before, so this cute little record didn't really stand a chance at that point in my life. I think when this thing came out I was trying to wrap my head around Hanatrash's 3 and Art Ensemble records and Sonny Sharrock on Tauhid and Super Nova. But I'm glad a lot of people got stuff out of the MBV thing. Good for them. I'm just sick of hearing about it. Especially on a board like this where we have to suffer through banalities like "the Beatles suck" or whatever on daily basis.

oh and yeah, Skot prolly had to put Rufus to bed but I bet dollars to donuts he had in mind the Graettinger-arranged Kenton stuff. And he's right.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 4 February 2005 06:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I just don't get the charge that MBV were rhythm section-less--I dunno, I hear Colm and Deb pretty solidly on Loveless. The bass line on "Soon" is phenomenal. But they were definitely more prominent live than they were on record.

Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Friday, 4 February 2005 06:20 (twenty-one years ago)

This is funny, I was reading the list from #1 on and I saw United States of America at #9 and I was like "Oh what the fuck, have these people never heard White Noise's 'An Electric Storm' ever??" and then I see it's right behind it at #10. Heh.

Also, BIG UPS to them for putting that Dreamies album on there! I just listened to that last night (along with White Noise oddly enough.. those two albums are on my freak-out shortlist I suppose)

Tilt needs to be higher.

And lastly, scott and hstencil have convinced me to listen to that Joe Byrd and the Field Hippies album tonight.

Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Friday, 4 February 2005 06:23 (twenty-one years ago)

stormy, is that kenton stuff called "Fourth Wave". i'm remembering something from my history of jazz class in college about the classical-izing of jazz. lots of arrangements (different than big band) and trying to make it a cultural art rather than a folk music. does that make sense. anyways, i've never heard anything about Fourth Wave since that class.

The Ballad of El Janko (JasonD), Friday, 4 February 2005 06:25 (twenty-one years ago)

4. Funkadelic - Maggot Brain (naw but uncle jam)

jorel, this isn't even the same band! i mean maybe the musicians, but...

and Free Your Mind is way more fucked up to me than Maggot Brain. the whole thing is trapped in a gigantic echo chamber

The Ballad of El Janko (JasonD), Friday, 4 February 2005 06:27 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost

That reminds me, for a short period of time, I thought that my freshman English teacher was Joe Byrd because he was this old hippie guy (who, now that I think about it, beared an uncanny resemblence to Mr. Rosso, the guidance counselor on "Freaks and Geeks," but I digress) and his name was Joseph Byrd. Anyway, I looked up Joe Byrd's whereabouts on the interweb and he IS a college professor, but not at the University of Maryland. And he teaches music, not English. Of course, I should have known, considering he was a music professor when he started the United States of America (with some of his students, right?)

Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Friday, 4 February 2005 06:30 (twenty-one years ago)

isn't he at in the bay area at Berkeley or Mills? no?

The Ballad of El Janko (JasonD), Friday, 4 February 2005 06:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Janko - "Third Stream", actually. Really dumb term, I think I once knew the origin of the term but I can't remember now. But yeah, sort of a classical/jazz hybrid was the basic idea. Which tons of people continue to do today; I mean the stuff that Zorn or Butch Morris do with conducting, or Braxton's stuff, or post-Cage what is classical anyway? I guess back then they needed to give people a hook though, plus ca change.

This is a good example, MJQ w/ Guiffre --

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000063NC6/qid=1107498637/sr=1-6/ref=sr_1_6/103-4204839-3895845?v=glance&s=music

This is that Kenton stuff--

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000005GZJ/qid=1107498593/sr=2-1/ref=pd_ka_b_2_1/103-4204839-3895845

I don't really dig that Joe Byrd record as much as the USA album proper, but I should listen again. He also put out this pretty bad all-synthesizer Christmas album on Fahey's Takoma label in the mid-70s!

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 4 February 2005 06:37 (twenty-one years ago)

the best part of that Byrd album is the very very beginning where the echoing chick keeps going "you will die" or some shit. could scare a man to death

The Ballad of El Janko (JasonD), Friday, 4 February 2005 06:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I'm listening to Byrd & the Hippies right now (as I promised) and this is pretty boring. Although I do remember that side 2 is more interesting than side 1, so I'll update when I flip the record (and listen to the other side).

xpost: the very beginning is cool, yeah, but the rest of the first side is BORING. Also, side two of An Electric Storm is much better Echoing-Chick-Going-"You-Will-Die" music.

Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Friday, 4 February 2005 06:45 (twenty-one years ago)

that Graettinger/kenton stuff is pretty wacked out from the small clips. sorta reminds me of Carla Bley arranged stuff

The Ballad of El Janko (JasonD), Friday, 4 February 2005 06:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, side two of An Electric Storm is much better Echoing-Chick-Going-"You-Will-Die" music.

the orgy song is fucking rad

The Ballad of El Janko (JasonD), Friday, 4 February 2005 06:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I wonder where my U.S.A. CD is. A couple weeks ago, I tried to listen to that CD but the case was empty. :(

Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Friday, 4 February 2005 07:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I still need to hear that Carla Bley stuff. I mean I have the JCOA record, but I don't have, and have never actually heard, Escalator over the Hill. I'm really excited to sit down with it eventually. I know it's Marcello's favorite record of all time -- or one of two or three -- and that says a lot to me. Man, I should bump that one up to the top of the to-buy list. And I was actually thinking of going record shopping tomorrow....

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 4 February 2005 07:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Buy the Dreamies too!

Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Friday, 4 February 2005 07:16 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, I haven't heard that thing either! OK, to the top of the list it goes.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 4 February 2005 07:17 (twenty-one years ago)

What's the JCOA record? also the Charlie Haden "Liberation Music Orchestra" records (both the 69 impulse one and the 80s ECM one) are pretty great.

The Ballad of El Janko (JasonD), Friday, 4 February 2005 07:20 (twenty-one years ago)

that Dreamies record sounds FAB!!

The Ballad of El Janko (JasonD), Friday, 4 February 2005 07:23 (twenty-one years ago)

oh haha, whoops -- I just checked, Carla isn't even on this. It was her hubby's deal; they set up the Jazz Composers Orchestra Association, and this was the first record--

http://www.cyborg.ne.jp/~akio01/cover/cherry/ECM-841124.html

Escalator came later on the label. I gotta hear that 80s Haden record too. God, you know, I just saw Paul Bley last Friday and he was kinda horrible. Overplayed, didn't listen well to the others ... I didn't get him at all.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 4 February 2005 07:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Liberation Music Orchestra is really good, I should get that.

Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Friday, 4 February 2005 07:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, that list doesn't have any This Heat!

Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Friday, 4 February 2005 07:56 (twenty-one years ago)

That gay cowboy album about unicorns should be on the list too. That's another one I've never heard, but y'know, my description speaks for itself.

Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Friday, 4 February 2005 07:58 (twenty-one years ago)

oh haha, whoops -- I just checked, Carla isn't even on this. It was her hubby's deal; they set up the Jazz Composers Orchestra Association, and this was the first record--

http://www.cyborg.ne.jp/~akio01/cover/cherry/ECM-841124.html

Escalator came later on the label. I gotta hear that 80s Haden record too. God, you know, I just saw Paul Bley last Friday and he was kinda horrible. Overplayed, didn't listen well to the others ... I didn't get him at all.

-- Stormy Davis (electrifyingmoj...), February 4th, 2005.

Actually Carla is on half of the Mantler JCOA record, the piano stool on the other half obviously being occupied by Our Cecil. She has a nicely spikey little solo at the start of "Communications #8" and in the booklet there's a pic of her seated at the piano in an extremely short skirt just to remind us how, er, "hott" she was (still is as well! looks remarkable for 66!).

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 4 February 2005 08:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Pretty dull list - haven't read the Mojo piece yet - but nice to see Streisand And Other Musical Instruments getting recognition as I'll be talking about that when I get to Babs in my '74 blog thing. Kind of like a glorious car crash between Stephen Sondheim, Bill Laswell and Cornelius Cardew with Streisand reaching almost Cathy Berberian-esque heights at times. Highly recommended.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 4 February 2005 08:27 (twenty-one years ago)

It would be nicer to have another 50 as reccommended by readers. But the first list was a combo of "Hey, this is out there and you own it, so well done you" and "Hey, this is out there and maybe you should check it out and here's why". Oh, and wot no Edward Barton?

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 4 February 2005 09:02 (twenty-one years ago)

it's probably too impossing for mojo, but what about whitehouse's birthdeath experience?

rob mackey (mackey), Friday, 4 February 2005 10:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Pretty daft idea to do a "Top 50 Most 'Out There' Albums of All Time" - a recipe for disaster if ever there was one. Thing is, Mojo just doesn't do jazz, it doesn't appear to have any contributors who know anything about it, which leads to howlers like No. 2 in the chart being "Space Is the Place" by Sun Ra (which isn't even in Top 50 Most 'Out There' Sun Ra Albums of All Time!). As for having anything by Whitehouse, well they had "Second Annual Report", so that's that area covered.

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 4 February 2005 11:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Thing is, Mojo just doesn't do jazz, it doesn't appear to have any contributors who know anything about it

Well, I did offer my services but there was no room at the inn...

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 4 February 2005 11:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Pity. Why had I never heard of that Barbra Streisand album before?

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 4 February 2005 11:30 (twenty-one years ago)

So I suppose hats off to Mojo for having a go plus the free CD is good plus articles on Jeffrey Lee Pierce/ Bobby Darin/ Coxsone Dodd

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 4 February 2005 11:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait a sec!!!! NO "VAL DOONICAN ROCKS... BUT GENTLY"!?!?!? WHAT SORT OF "OUT THERE" LIST IS THIS!??!?!?!?!!

Pah!!! Wot a swizz!!!!!!!!!!

Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Friday, 4 February 2005 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

what a strange list! axis bold as love sounds like the f**kin housemartins compared to jimis other stuff

and i wonder how many mojo readers thought 'jesus daddio, i must get me some of them out there sounds for the vw golf stereo!'

they should totally do a list of the most 'in there' records. i wonder who would be no 1? the cowsills?

debden, Friday, 4 February 2005 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

totally rockist list but a very mojo list. most of it I can see the point of in that context. ascension was the first coltrane album I heard and it blew 17 year old hardcore kid mind. so much more extreme than any number of white americans screaming into shitty 4 tracks.
I think vision creation new sun is a way more effective boredoms album but as a turning point super ae I guess is more worthy of note.
oar... I'm not sure this should be there. I mean it just sort of soundtracks someones breakdown. the best moments are the more conventional...
and the complete lack of reggae/dub is pretty embarrassing. I mean come on....

simon 803 (simon 803), Friday, 4 February 2005 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Some other "out there" stuff they could have included:

Bob Dylan - there's a few they could have picked from, but maybe something like Bringing It All Back Home would have been a good choice - stuff like "Subterranean Homesick Blues" must have seemed pretty out there at the time. It's at least as out there as the Hendrix and Beatles records, I think.

There's lots of weirdness from Japan that they could have included - the Boredoms are really just the tip of the iceberg:

The Gerogerigegege - He's got several albums of out there stuff. There's a pretty good summary of it here:

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Gerogerigegege,+The

Maybe something like Endless Humiliation or Singles: 1985-1993.

Then you have the noise scene: Merzbow, Masonna, that stuff is pretty out there. Also a lot of Keiji Haino's stuff. The Hanatarash and Omoide Hatoba are Boredoms-related projects that plumb some outer reaches of out-thereness.

Harry Partch - His stuff can seem pretty out there: microtonal music played on instruments he designed and built himself, with lyrics sometimes taken from ancient Chinese poetry or hobo graffiti from California highways. Especially when you consider that he was doing this stuff during the Great Depression.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 4 February 2005 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

We need more Happy Flowers love on this list.

Though for some reason I thought "Discordance Axis" as well.

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Friday, 4 February 2005 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Of those, I only have the Velvets one so I must be very 'In Here'.

Nick H (Nick H), Friday, 4 February 2005 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, needs more Brainticket as well

Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Monday, 7 February 2005 06:04 (twenty years ago)

I like the list fine! I like the 60% I've heard enough to make me curious about the other 40%, that's the point of these lists right?

that Gordon Jenkins record is great, it's going to be fun when that gets reissued

(Jon L), Monday, 7 February 2005 06:35 (twenty years ago)

beautiful Residents pick too

(Jon L), Monday, 7 February 2005 06:36 (twenty years ago)

was there a paragraph on their definition of "out there". no matter how ever you define it i cannot see how Whitehouse did not qualify.

Nic de Teardrop (Nicholas), Monday, 7 February 2005 06:59 (twenty years ago)

i think Tim nailed it up thread:

Note the albums with space related topical subject matter (Sun Ra, Ascension, "Astronomy Domine" on Piper, Hawkwind, Starsailor, I Hear a New World). Otherwise, it's a spatial metaphor referring to the genius or outsider being at a distance from normality (distance = space).

-- Tim Ellison

Tito JaXoN (JasonD), Monday, 7 February 2005 08:08 (twenty years ago)

Ascension was a religious subject matter, not an astronomical one. Compared to the truly dense jungles of subsequent late Coltrane records (e.g. the 4CD Live In Japan epic), it's actually not that "out there" - when Freddie Hubbard or McCoy Tyner take their solos, we're back to 1961 Blue Note territory.

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 7 February 2005 09:11 (twenty years ago)

Yes, the Rounders' MORAY EELS is out there -- delightfully so! But where are the joyous minstrels of mayhem, the Fugs? "2nd Album" or "It Crawled Into My Hand" -- every starsalior I know parked under Ed & Tuli's mushroom stars too . . . Also, our favorite latter day composer could not have come up with his "gravy" receipe without Freak[ing] Out before he entered the kitchen. And if someone had paused to really survey the outer realms perhaps thier Sun Ra choice would have been just a bit further out!

Joe Pulver, Monday, 7 February 2005 22:41 (twenty years ago)

The Wire Jr.

Dave M. (rotten03), Monday, 7 February 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

our favorite latter day composer

your perspective only, pal

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 07:50 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...
How about these ones:

Ground Zero: "Revolutionary Pekinese Opera"
Ariel Pink: "Lover Boy"
Lee Ranaldo: "From Here To Infinity"
John Maus: Love Letters From Hell
Um: The New Album
Stock, Hausen & Walkman: "Oh! My Bag"
Amit Lissack: The Person With The Ideas

...and maybe some Red Crayola and Pere Ubu too!

Max Tundra, Thursday, 23 March 2006 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

that Bobby Brown album should be on this list...not the "My Perogative" Bobby Brown, but that huh-why-an guy who did that weird Light Beam Of Axonda or-whatever-the-hell-it-was-called album in the 70's, with all those DIY instruments...a Moondog of the tropics, he was...

hank (hank s), Thursday, 23 March 2006 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

I'll pick Art of Walking for Pere Ubu. Actually, the two that followed this LP are (arguably) even more out there, but I like them less (and the "outness" feels more forced and less natural. Plus, no Tom Herman on guitar for those two).

James, Thursday, 23 March 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

ER, I meant New Picnic Time as my Ubu pick (the two that follow that I like less are Art of Walking and Song of the Bailing Man, both Herman-less)

James, Thursday, 23 March 2006 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

hi max, tell us more about this Amit Lissack

milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 23 March 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)


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