School me about Glenn Branca

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Just heard "Symphony #3" and I'm here with my jaw hanging around my ankles! Want more info on the man and his symphonic prog-shoegazer goodness!

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 4 February 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

Well if you need a specific recommendation...

Glenn Branca , The Ascension: Classic or Dud?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 February 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

TS: Branca vs...um...Phillip Glass and Mike Oldfield, FITE!
I'm just amazed by this guy, he makes No-Wave sound pretty. I'm going to be on soulseek or WinMX later on tonight. What tracks should I look for first?
Are any of his albums in print and available in total squaresville record-stores?

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 4 February 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

Custos -- I have seen many of his symphonies on slsk. They're a hell of a lot easier to find there than in the shops.

"The Ascension" is probably the best place to start, though.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 4 February 2005 20:47 (twenty years ago)

"Lesson #1" is a good single track to start with. The only Branca album I own (Symphony No. 3) I found in a suburban (but somewhat hip) record store in 1997.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 4 February 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

Thanks

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 4 February 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

Are any of his albums in print and available in total squaresville record-stores?

As a matter of fact, a couple of them came back into print just last month. The symphonies are on Atavistic Records (Branca page), which has distribution thru Touch & Go.

Vic Funk, Friday, 4 February 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

I like some of his songs from his old no wave bands, Theoretical Girls and the Static, quite a bit. If you're into no wave, it's definitely worth getting that Songs '77-'79 CD.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 4 February 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

Symphony #3 is quite a different beast than Lesson #1 and The Ascension, as the former is meant to be more ambient and, as you said, happens to sound very proto-shoegazery. However, the latter two are quite essential... you'll probably approach late 80s Sonic Youth very differently after hearing them.. or perhaps even Joy Division. (though the two albums were released at the same time as JD's albums, and I doubt there was any cross-influences). They are far more percussive and dynamic.

donut christ (donut), Friday, 4 February 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

i dunno #1 or #3, but i have #5 and Ascension. as DC is saying, totally different beasts. #5 is more on the droney, spooky, 100 guitars tuned to the same note type of thing, but Ascension is sorta funky no wave

The Ballad of El Janko (JasonD), Friday, 4 February 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

Hrm, well, particularly since you like #3, I'd recommend going straight to Symphonies 5 and 6. Along with #3, I think these are his essential works. I think #3 is when he started to get really great, when he really began redesigning guitars, studying tuning systems in depth, and really working with huge orchestral masses of guitars, and learning to compose for large forces. And, very importantly, I also think this is when the recording quality starts to get close to doing justice to the music. The really early stuff is well and good, and it does rock in its way, but I don't think it's nearly as accomplished or satisfying. As with Frith, I'm amazed that people still point to those as important works.

I didn't find the compositions for regular symphony orchestra to be among his strongest. I believe he acknowledges this himself. #12, for a smaller group of guitars, was a real disappointment for me. I started to wonder if maybe he'd lost it. But Hallucination City (#13) then turned out to be a major event in my life. I think it may be his most accomplished and ambitious composition, a summary of everything he'd done to that point. It was an hour-long single movement for 80 guitars, 20 basses, and one drummer, performed on the roof of the World Trade Centre a few months before it was destroyed. Everyone had to basically do tremolo strumming, while shifting chord shapes on unison tuning, for the entire duration of the piece. It was a free concert - small children and senior citizens came and danced to the music, I shit you not. I'm phenomenally regretful that AFAIK the only recording of it is the few short clips on his site. < / plug>If you squint you can catch a bespectacled, short-haired version of me from 4 years ago in the front row of 'tenor' guitarists < / plug>.

2xpost

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 4 February 2005 21:47 (twenty years ago)

Donut christ OTM ... progressing from #1 - #9, the symphonies get less ambient and more like a rocking-out GYBE (whom you will also never approach the same way again after hearing Branca).

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 4 February 2005 21:53 (twenty years ago)

xpost -- Sundar, I too am flabbergasted that "Hallucination City" wasn't recorded. WTF? That makes no sense at all.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 4 February 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)

#8/#10 are my favorites for the mindcrushing pummelling rock. they just keep getting louder.

but #3 is still my favorite for texture & immersion. #2 and #6 runnerups. (#5 would be a contender if the sound quality weren't a bit off)

I bought the 'ascension' reissue, and can see it's importance and imagine how incredible seeing those must have been at the time, but I agree with sundar, the later works are better. (btw sundar, didn't know you played in #13! downloading those clips now.)

(Jon L), Friday, 4 February 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)

yeah check out the stuff on DJ DANCE SELZER WATER's Acute label, too. they sound nice.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 4 February 2005 22:28 (twenty years ago)

Actually, milton, you're right about the sound on #5. I never realized it till now but it's hissy and the loud parts sound too distant. Maybe I'm just emotionally attached to it since it's the first one I ever heard. I need to get the CD of #6. I still have the old Blast First cassette.

Some of the GYBE guys did play in #13 actually. I don't know if that came before or after Lift Yr Skinny Fists, but there is definitely a part on that (disc 1, track 2 IIRC) that's basically Branca pastiche. That GYBE album may actually be a more complete overall composition than most of GB's stuff, to be honest, but GB still reaches pinnacles of OTT guitar collision. He's a pretty singular figure. More than any avant-gardist I can think of, his classic work really seems to still aim for late 19th-century uber-Romantic-style bombast in its narrative but to do this with sound ideals that derive at least as much from Ligeti/Penderecki-style textural composition as from minimalism, while coming from basically a heavy rock/punk background.

One earlier piece that I do quite like is "Indeterminate Activity of Resultant Masses", which shows a bit of a Steve Reich influence.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 4 February 2005 23:22 (twenty years ago)

...but Ascension is sorta funky no wave
Hmmm. Are we talkin james chance-ish funky no-wave, liquid liquid funky no-wave or trouble funk funky no-wave?

when he really began redesigning guitars
I heard about his electric harpsichord. Thats either subversive genius or lovecraftian horror. I haven't made up my mind yet.

(Oh, message to donut...the 'package' arrived safely. I tried to send you a thank you email, buy your hotmail account just kept sending me bounce messages.)

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 5 February 2005 06:23 (twenty years ago)

Having just had a nose around Branca's site, it appears that a version of "Hallucination City" was recorded last year, no word on a release date though.

haitch (haitch), Saturday, 5 February 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

TS: Glenn Branca vs. Derek Bailey?

Symphony #3 is quite a different beast than Lesson #1 and The Ascension, as the former is meant to be more ambient and, as you said, happens to sound very proto-shoegazery. However, the latter two are quite essential... you'll probably approach late 80s Sonic Youth very differently after hearing them.. or perhaps even Joy Division. (though the two albums were released at the same time as JD's albums, and I doubt there was any cross-influences). They are far more percussive and dynamic.
Actually, "Lesson No. 1" was Branca's musical response to hearing "Love Will Tear Us Apart".

"The Ascension" is so goddamned glorious...

Ian Riese-Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 5 February 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

It's worth nothing that my Glenn Branca/proto-Sonic Youth comparison is slightly unfair, given the fact that both Ranaldo and Moore were part of the Branca ensemble for Symphony #3 and I believe the first symphony as well. I'm not sure if either took part in future ones.. if so, I don't think Moore did. Ranaldo was also on both Lesson #1 and The Ascension too. Moore was on Lesson #1.

donut christ (donut), Saturday, 5 February 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

mia is shit.

mia is shit., Saturday, 5 February 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)

lee also engineered number 2 or 3...can't recall without looking at my collection

b b, Monday, 7 February 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)

ten months pass...
http://www.artistdirect.com/Images/Sources/AMGPORTRAITS/music/portrait200/drp200/p202/p20287r666i.jpg

Glenn Branca
Hallucination City: Symphony 13 for 100 Guitars

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Feb. 4, 2006, 7:30 p.m.
Montclair State University, School of The Arts
Montclair, New Jersey, 07043 USA - 973-655-4000
All seats $25
http://www.montclair.edu/kasser/GlennBranca.html

---------------
March 29, 2006, 8:00 PM
Walt Disney Concert Hall, 111 S. Grand Avenue
Los Angeles, CA (323) 850-2000
All seats $10.
http://wdch.laphil.org/tix/performance_detail.cfm?id=2623

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

from the nyhappenings list:

Hi everyone,
Glenn Branca is gearing up for another recording/performance of the 13th
Symphony
"Hallucination City" for 100 guitars in early February. If you or anyone you
know is
interested, please read the attached message from Glenn below and sign up.

If you sign up, he'll mail you the parts in staff notation, so you need to be
able to read
music to some degree- but the parts are really easy and you have a ton of time
to learn
everything.

So... check it out and spread the word. Hope to see you there!

_______________________________________________________________________

Hi,
Here's the info for the upcoming performance and recording of:
"Symphony No.13 (Hallucination City)" for 80 guitars, 20 basses and
drums. It premiered at the former WTC on June 13, 2001. If you
played in the piece at the WTC or in the studio last year you will
probably know most of this.

The venue will be the Kasser Theater at Montclair St. University, NJ.
The show is part of the Peak Performance series being put together by
the redoubtable Jed Wheeler. For exact location and directions go to:
www.montclair.edu/kasser. It's easy to get there from Penn Station.
The dates and times are Feb. 2,3 and 4th, with the performance on the
4th. The rehearsals and recording (they've got a good digital studio
there) will be the 2nd and 3rd, 11am to 9pm on both days and the 4th,
1-6pm with the performance at 7:30. Food and drink will be provided.
Each musician will need to know his/her part (but you don't need to
memorize it). The recording will be released on Cantaloupe Records
(the bangoncan guys) with the indefatigable Wharton Tiers on drums and the
always
assured John Myers conducting. You'll need to bring a guitar and amp (whatever
you've
got, a medium sized amp would be best). It will also be necessary to restring
your guitar
for the tuning. Basses will not need to be restrung OR retuned. And I will have
a serious
quantity of replacement strings on hand.

The parts are in staff notation. The playing technique includes plenty
of double-strumming and downstroke chording. Complete detailed
instructions will come with the parts which will be sent before the end
of December. I will answer any questions you have about the part when
you get it.

If you want to do the gig you should e-mail your postal mailing address
and telephone number (please note whether you play BASS or GUITAR) to
dthetncrkr@earthlink.net. I have rewritten the piece and it is now in 3
movements of about
20 minutes each. So if you played in the piece last time don't work on your old
part. But
your new part will still be in the tuning that you played.

There will also be a performance of the piece in LA on March 29th. So
if you're on the coast you might prefer to do that one (although you'd
miss the recording).

It is still not possible to pay this number of people. So you'll have
to do the gig for free. Also, if you know anyone else who you think might want
to do the
gig I still need some more players.

Thank You,
Glenn Branca

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

three years pass...

He's a little down.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 November 2009 16:15 (fifteen years ago)

u beat me by 13 seconds :,( rip, music :,(

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 25 November 2009 16:17 (fifteen years ago)

four years pass...

Symphony No. 6 sounding really good today on a gray day alone at the office... I absolutely love his music but don't listen much, because it's sort of exhausting. Would love to see something of his performed live

global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 20:57 (eleven years ago)

four years pass...

Sound, fury, and scholarship: With acquisition of Glenn Branca archive, Northwestern Libraries adds more thunder to its impressive 20th-century music collection

john. a resident of evanston. (john. a resident of chicago.), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 13:40 (six years ago)

six years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcXg4sHLks0

sleeve, Sunday, 7 September 2025 17:12 (one month ago)


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