I know there's been a lot of chatter here about this band -- much by me -- of late, but that's because of the recent spat of re-issues. Inspired by same, I dug out this amazing record from 1982 (hoping to convince myself that I did not, in fact, need to purchase the newly sonically "baked" re-issue) and fell in love with it all over again.
I didn't find out abou the Virgin Prunes from my usual channels. It was the summer of 1986. I was working thanklessly as a dish-washer at a crappy "gourmet eatery" out in Westhampton (on Long Island), scraping burnt croissant crusts off of baking sheets and basically being a surly bastard. Most of the kitchen was a bright, airy place...apart from the dish-washing area, where myself and a couple of other lackeys wallowed in damp, airless squallor, listening to `round-the-clock airrings of Black Flag and Iron Maiden (after we'd disconnected the restaurant speaker which force-fed the rear of the kitchen tireless lashings of Sade, Swing Out Sister and the soundtrack to "Annie"). It didn't pay especially well, but it was a job.
Every summer, squadrons of Irish kids would seemingly flock from Dublin to Long Island to snatch up waitressing and au pair jobs, and this particular establishment quickly became a hotebed of plucky, brogue-chirping lasses. One such young lady was a baking server named Fiona, who lived in a suburb of Dublin called Lucan. In relatively short order, Fiona and I became somewhat pals-ish (and I, in turn, soon developed a bit of a crush on her...to no great avail). In any case, she kept going on and on all the time about this gent back home named Guggi who she completely fancied (even though she allegedly already had a boyfriend who played in an excellently named band called Those Handsome Devils). Guggi was this chap who evidently sang in a band called the Virgin Prunes. Unimpressed, I sniffed that I'd never heard of'em (and being that she was otherwise obsessed with Lloyd Cole & the Commotions, I didn't imagine they were, as they say, "much cop".
So, I'm trolling around my usual network of downtown record stores during one of my weekly trips into the city (where my other job as an apprentice to a schizophrenic grahic desinger kept me running all around town delivering mock-ups to ungrateful cosmetic companies) and I happened to spy an album cover emblazoned with the name Virgin Prunes. But....what's this? THEY LOOK LIKE SCARY, PUNKY, FUCKED-UP, CROSS-DRESSING PYROMANIACS!!! HOW COULD THIS BE ANYTHING BUT COMPLETELY BRILLIANT!!!! Clearly, no drab, mawkish Lloyd Cole-isms were going to be found here. Fiona's stock instantly rose a few more degrees, and I snatched up a copy of ...If I Die, I Die (great title, too!) on the spot!.
Despite not being able to get my head around what Fiona could possibly have seen in Guggi (himself of presumbly indeterminate sexual preference), I was instantly intrigued by this mysterious band with the funny names, obscure language and pointed disdain for convention. Certainly a bit Bauhausy, but Bauhaus never sounded this disheveled and possessed (except for maybe "Stigmata Martyr"). As with many of the other albums I've cited in my In Praise Of..'s, this record literally has a sound that is completely all its own (or if there's another record out there like it, I sure as fuck haven't heard it).
Meandering between creepy atmospherics and pounding caterwaul, ...If I Die, I Die is a primal, tribal, nightemarish YAWP of a record, and decidedly not right for every occaission (the album was met by a dependable chorus of "what the fuck is this shit?" by every college housemate I ever had). It's a lot to swallow in one sitting if you're not in the mood, but the single-y tracks (the positively jaunty "Baby Turns Blue" and the jagged "Pagan Love Song") alone are worth wading through the disquieting stuff. There's just some great stuff here, from the ghoulish shanty of "Theme for Thought" (boasting the fiendish chorus of Die-d-Die-Die-Die-Die-d-d-d-Die as crooned by a drunken ensemble of evil leperchauns) to the serpentine stomp of "Caucasian Walk" (pre-figuring an eerily similar "Frenzy" on Fire Dances by my beloved Killing Joke by a year or two).
Nothing ever ended up happening between me and Fiona. She left at the end of the summer to go back to Lucan (and never wrote), but I still felt I got something great out of it. Subsequent `Prunes records didn't quite pack the punch of ...if I Die, I Die (though I later found a whole new appreciation for Gavin Friday's solo work). As I've pointed out labouriously on other threads, this is the third re-release on compact disc for this album, and it's evidently the "one to get". So, if you've not heard it, might I strenuously recommend it.
Play it at your sister.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 5 February 2005 05:11 (twenty years ago)
Alex do you know Clock DVA's great album of 1983 - Advantage ?(yes, of course Thirst is almost as great - and rawer)
those two albums (and Seven Souls) kept my post-punk fetish going almost to mid-80'spost-punk gone new pop (production-wise, the legacy of 154 to some extent)
If I Die, I Die, Garlands and The Birthday Party are true gothby comparison most others are more cartoon
― Paul (scifisoul), Saturday, 5 February 2005 05:32 (twenty years ago)
― Bimble... (Bimble...), Saturday, 5 February 2005 07:14 (twenty years ago)
― Momus (Momus), Saturday, 5 February 2005 09:41 (twenty years ago)
― Bimble... (Bimble...), Saturday, 5 February 2005 10:28 (twenty years ago)
― Garibaldianne (Garibaldianne), Saturday, 5 February 2005 17:13 (twenty years ago)
― kwhitehead (stephen schmidt), Monday, 7 February 2005 21:09 (twenty years ago)
Read about it (or what precious little Gavin cares to say about the process) here:
http://www.virginprunes.com/articles/virginprunescom_gavin_interview_part_1.html
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 7 February 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)
― kwhitehead (stephen schmidt), Monday, 7 February 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)
― alex in montreal, Monday, 7 February 2005 21:47 (twenty years ago)
I succumbed. Yes, it's official. I'm weak. I have no willpower. I'm a pathetic, spineless, fetishizing completist. I admit it. YES, OKAY, I ADMIT IT. I BOUGHT ..IF I DIE, I DIE FOR A THIRD TIME (fourth, really, if you count the vinyl version in `86). I'm sorry, but I couldn't help myself. To be fair, it's 3:51 am here in frigid NYC, and I'm here at the office, giving my computer's speakers a worrying workout with a high volume airring of "Theme For Thought", and YES, the "re-baked" sound indeed does POSITIVELY CRACKLE with a new aura of dimensional depth arguably lost on the previous versions. But, are my ears really that sophisticated or am I merely projecting. WHO CARES? I LOVE THIS RECORD!!!!
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 18 February 2005 08:53 (twenty years ago)
It was a cloudless day in Seattle today. That's like saying...it was a sane day in the life of Michael Jackson.
― Bimble... (Bimble...), Friday, 18 February 2005 09:09 (twenty years ago)
Mute records showed some unreleased footage of the Prunes from around that time filmed at the Hacienda in Manchester at a Mute Film Night at the Ritzy in Brixton. There was some vague talk of a DVD release behind the merch table...it looked a bit grainy but it was cool to see a Prunes show in all its dramatic glory...
― thomas, Friday, 18 February 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)
― alex in montreal, Friday, 18 February 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)
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― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 18 February 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)
― Bimble... (Bimble...), Friday, 18 February 2005 22:15 (twenty years ago)
― charleston charge (chaki), Friday, 18 February 2005 23:20 (twenty years ago)
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― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 19 February 2005 02:42 (twenty years ago)
dug out the vinyl just now and it is GREAT.
how does the recent cd reissue compare with the vinyl? I adore the sound of everything on this.
― Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Monday, 18 April 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)
― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 18 April 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)
― Lyra Jane (Lyra Jane), Monday, 18 April 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)
― Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Monday, 18 April 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)
It's majikal.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 18 April 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)
― Telephonething, Saturday, 21 May 2005 04:01 (twenty years ago)
The dreadful remix of "Baby Turns Blue" that blighted the original Rough Trade edition of If i Die... is retitled "The Faculties of a Broken Heart," and is avaiable on Over the Rainbow. Stick with the original, tho'.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 21 May 2005 04:04 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 May 2005 04:15 (twenty years ago)
― moley, Saturday, 21 May 2005 05:00 (twenty years ago)
― Paul (scifisoul), Monday, 23 May 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)
taking sides: if i die, i die -vs- dreams less sweet
― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 22 January 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)
It has "No microphones at all were used in the recording of this L.P." and C.D. the attack dog and the Karate class and the underground cave percussion and "the tattoo executed on Geff (John Balance R.I.P.) during Eden 1 was recorded at the studio of Mr. Sebastian" and the Zuccarelli Holophonics Binaural 3D sound and truckloads of variation and the sweetest evil song "Black Moon" and oh so much more.
If I Die, I Die also has a lot going for it, but I ultimately prefer Gavin's voice on his later solo/with the Man Seezer work where it's not as... dunno, annoying sometimes, I suppose.
― StanM (StanM), Sunday, 22 January 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)
Listening to the reissue of this right now... (the only possible follow-up after listening to Purple Rain and Kid A)
Alex NYC's Fiona story = CLASSIC
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 01:12 (fifteen years ago)
I absolutely love this album! I've also got a live album that I never play and have heard one or two other VP albums but didn't connect with them. It appears to me a well-chosen anthology would serve this band very well.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 22 August 2011 19:07 (fourteen years ago)
imo New Form Of Beauty is even better! I love everything they did though.
― sleeve, Monday, 22 August 2011 19:47 (fourteen years ago)
This is how I waste my time these days.
― Alex in NYC, Monday, 11 November 2013 22:44 (eleven years ago)