Pazz & Jop 2004 Anticipation Thread

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Please fill my empty life with something other than lies. Thank you.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 6 February 2005 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

We (voters) get the email tomorrow, right?

― Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Sunday, 6 February 2005 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

What e-mail. (Thomas! Call me!)

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 6 February 2005 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember that last year, voters received an email with the results (or a link, or something) like a day before it streeted, I thought.

― Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Sunday, 6 February 2005 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm. Not seeing it in my e-mail archives, though that doesn't always catch everything.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 6 February 2005 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

what albums came out last year again? snoop dog, coldplay, beck, shakira, and who else?

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 6 February 2005 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

oh yeah, kanye. i'm rooting for that guy. even though he hates gretchen wilson cuz she's a redneck. one of these days i might actually hear his album. is he on the superbowl half-time show tonight?

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 6 February 2005 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, he's showing his ass.

Yeah, I said it.

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Sunday, 6 February 2005 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I contemplated leaving Kanye off my ballot, just to fuck shit up...

Hasn't Paul McCartney been suffering from some sort of malfunction since the Beatles broke up?

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 6 February 2005 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

The one album I've since realized I should have voted for is Franz Ferdinand. I'll feel awfully bad if its a photo finish.

― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 6 February 2005 21:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I still love everything I voted for, though, which is good.

― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 6 February 2005 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)

my one bid to sit at the popular table was to vote for the fiery furnaces. that one will probably get a lot of votes. dontcha think?

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 6 February 2005 21:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope Nellie McKay makes the top 10. It'll definitely go top 40.

― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 6 February 2005 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I actually watched her EPK on Launch today. First time I've ever seen her talk. Gi-normous crush.

― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 6 February 2005 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I actually watched her EPK on Launch today. First time I've ever seen her talk. Gi-normous crush.

I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to fight you for her.

― Matt Chesnut, Sunday, 6 February 2005 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

dude I give meaning to every day. You got no chance.

― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 6 February 2005 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not opposed to cheating, knives, or firearms. Also, I've been lifting weights and practicing pre-fight dialogue.

"Shall I kill you now or kill you later?"

― Matt Chesnut, Sunday, 6 February 2005 22:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I contemplated leaving Kanye off my ballot, just to fuck shit up...

hahahaha!! Arthur, even though we disagree about Dirty Work and Rush, you rule.

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Sunday, 6 February 2005 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope that both Nellie M and the Fiery Furnaces place high.

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Sunday, 6 February 2005 22:27 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.villagevoice.com/specials/pazznjop/03/search_return.php?poll_year=2004

― MV, Sunday, 6 February 2005 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Well Smashmouth got surprisngly high.

― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 6 February 2005 23:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I suspect Franz Ferdinand will finish scandalously high on the albums list.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 6 February 2005 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm more concerned about them finishing scandalously high on the singles list.

― Al (sitcom), Sunday, 6 February 2005 23:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Al otm

― j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 6 February 2005 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm so fucking worried that kanye is going to win. if he ever catches wind that he's the journofave of 2004, he'll never let us hear the end of it. 'SHOUT OUT TO SFJ! HOLLA BACK MICCIO', etc

i left him off purposely.

― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Monday, 7 February 2005 06:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Rollie, you know he's gonna, though.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 7 February 2005 06:46 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, he's a lock. I don't think he'll be shouting out Anthony, though! and I doubt he'll bat an eye about the news, do you think the P&J matters to anyone who's up for a gazillion Grammys?

― Al (sitcom), Monday, 7 February 2005 06:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I left him off because I heard about 20 better albums in 2004.

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Monday, 7 February 2005 06:50 (twenty-one years ago)

that's me FUCKING SHIT UP

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Monday, 7 February 2005 06:52 (twenty-one years ago)

he's a lock, for sure. i just think it's unfortunate.

― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Monday, 7 February 2005 07:19 (twenty-one years ago)

there've been worse hip-hop albums to win it!

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 7 February 2005 08:08 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah well there have been worse things to happen than me spending all damn night steaming down wallpaper but that doesn't mean I can't bitch about it, dammit my hands are fried from that thing, I have glue in my hair, never again man, my wife can do this shit in the future if she wants a room painted

man this wallpaper steamer is like a slave ship

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Monday, 7 February 2005 08:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I really dont understand why you're shitting on Kanye, rollie, its a great album. Whats wrong w/ him winning?

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 7 February 2005 09:07 (twenty-one years ago)

david, it isn't a great album. it's average. it's a 5 or a 6, tops. it's the most overrated rap album of the decade so far, I'd say. When it first came out, I did like it but eventually, I lost interest track by track until I just gave it to my little sister for christmas.

compared to the shit he did before the album (the mixtape drops, 'niggas gossip', 'i met oprah winfrey', etc.), the full length ends up sounding really uninspired. six great songs doesn't make a classic for me. is it crazy that i don't see stars because some guy tops pitchshifted RZA loops with shitty snares and unfinished puns? i haven't even gotten started on his ridiculous fucking attitude.

i feel like we've had this argument before on here.

he shouldn't win because there were better albums this year, that's all. i'd prefer madvillain or john smith, if we're talking strictly rap. add the streets and dizzee if you want the fringers. him winning this year would set a pretty awful precedent for future rap entries.

someone want to mention past winners?

― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Monday, 7 February 2005 10:19 (twenty-one years ago)

1992: Arrested Development, 3 Years, 5 Months and 2 Days in the Life of . . .

someone wanna say something about setting an awful precedent for future rap entries again?

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 7 February 2005 10:27 (twenty-one years ago)

2003: Outkast Speakerboxx/The Love Below

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 7 February 2005 10:28 (twenty-one years ago)

and just for reference, all past rap winners:

1980: Kurtis Blow, "The Breaks" (single)
1982: Grandmaster Flash & the Furious 5, "The Message" (single)
1986: Run-D.M.C., "Walk This Way" (single)
1988: Public Enemy, It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back (album)
1989: De La Soul, 3 Feet High & Rising (album)
Public Enemy, "Fight the Power" (single)
1992: Arrested Development, 3 Years, 5 Months and 2 Days in the Life of . . . (album)
Arrested Development, "Tennessee" (single)
1995: Coolio, "Gangsta's Paradise" (single)
2000: OutKast, Stankonia (album)
OutKast, "Ms. Jackson" (single)
2001: Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott, "Get Ur Freak On" (single)
2002: Missy Elliott, "Work It" (single)
2003: OutKast, Speakerboxxx/The Love Below (album)

ringers:
1985: Artists United Against Apartheid, "Sun City" (single) (not a rap record, but there are rappers on it)
1994: Beck, "Loser" (single) (well, he does rap on it)
1996: Quad City DJs, "C'mon and Ride It (The Train)" (single) (it's been so long since I heard this I don't remember if it's a rap song or not; I'm remembering it as one but I'm probably wrong)
2003: OutKast, "Hey Ya!" (single) (not a rap song)

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 7 February 2005 10:36 (twenty-one years ago)

the "pitchshifted RZA loops" thing is pretty specious.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 7 February 2005 10:40 (twenty-one years ago)

man arrested development SWEPT!!! i totally forgot that. "tennesee" is a great song though. quad city dj's are like the 69 mets of p&j.

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 7 February 2005 10:48 (twenty-one years ago)

The first two Arrested Development albums are staple items in every charity shop in London.

― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 7 February 2005 10:52 (twenty-one years ago)

man that 80 ballot's pretty impressive - "the breaks" wins, young marble giants at 25 on import, a smokey robinson lp i'm curious about now, pylon - YES! - on the singles list. not nearly as ~~rockist~~boring as you'd figure it'd have to be surely, not nearly as much as this year's i'd reckon.

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 7 February 2005 11:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Forgive me for asking, but what's an unfinished pun?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 7 February 2005 12:26 (twenty-one years ago)

It's like when some photographers started a

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 February 2005 13:01 (twenty-one years ago)

well, i voted for kanye. it's a bloody good album and in a year of pretty middling releases, one that stood out for me hugely. the "sped-up rza loops" comment is out of nowhere for me, but kanye's attitude is pretty fucking irritating. anyway, whtever wins it, people are going to fucking moan, but i'm betting a good few of my choices don't get a look in. then again i did make a few tactical decisions, especially in the singles.

― stelfox, Monday, 7 February 2005 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Arrested Development're touring here in a few weeks. I have no idea why. Or how, really.

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 7 February 2005 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)

six great songs doesn't make a classic for me.

Not a classic, no, but six great songs sounds pretty damn good to me. (It was my #8).

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 7 February 2005 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

(Although I do realize that based on the way the poll works, Kanye will get to #1 on the strength of it being a lot of people's #8s.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 7 February 2005 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Somebody joked that Arrested Development could've won P&J that year just by submitting their photo.

Isn't Kanye-Loretta-B. Wilson a good win-place-show bet? (Brian gets the Dylan contingent.)

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 February 2005 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread has to pop up on Monday morning when I'm on deadline. . .

Is it possible for ANY record to actually get the kind of consensus needed to top Pazz and Jop and not have a huge backlash of people complaining about how boring and predictable and rockist it all is? I think the PnJ consensus gets it right about half the time (Love and Theft-right, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot-horribly wrong, Love Below/Speakerboxxx-wrong, Kanye-right). But looking at Matos past rap winner list, I voted Kanye #1 and don't think it's as good as Nation or 3 Feet High and Rising. College Dropout vs. Stankonia is a tougher choice for me.

predix:
1. Kanye
2. Franz Ferdinand
3. Loretta Lynn
4. Brain Wilson
5. U2

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Monday, 7 February 2005 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

It'll be interesting to see how Big and Rich and Gretchen Wilson fare, since the poll tends to reward art/commerce combos of that ilk but has a big blind spot for country.

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Monday, 7 February 2005 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

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Wow, I guess you were, Jaymc! I mean, I loved the album but I only ever played it once...

The thing that bugs me is not voting for Last Exit.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Aw shit, my "fantasies of interzone solidarity" line's partly a headline. :)

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

w000t, Annie's at 90! I'm glad to see it place at all.

― Matthew "Flux" Perpetua, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

between The Grey Album and MIA/Diplo, I hate the internet and think that bootleg/mp3 albums should be banned from these things.

Why?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Bullshit, MIA/Diplo was a cd release available in stores, just not via a record label.

― Matthew "Flux" Perpetua, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Can anyone else access the Singles list? When I click on it, it gives me the Albums list.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

31 Annie "Chewing Gum"
679 import
votes: 24

32 Annie "Heartbeat"
679 import
votes: 23

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I find it hard to believe that 90% of the people who have/voted for MIA/Diplo didn't download it.

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Um Greil Marcus voted "Hey Ya!" for top single. Of 2004.

That sound you hear is Nate's head exploding.

― asl, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

TV on the Radio at # 12 is a bit of a shockah for me.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

SINGLES:
1 Franz Ferdinand "Take Me Out" Domino votes: 145
2 Jay-Z "99 Problems" Roc-A-Fella votes: 135
3 Usher featuring Lil Jon and Ludacris "Yeah!" Arista votes: 121
4 Modest Mouse "Float On" Epic votes: 109
5 Britney Spears "Toxic" Jive votes: 102
6 Kanye West "Jesus Walks" Roc-A-Fella votes: 92
7 Snoop Dogg Featuring Pharell "Drop It Like It's Hot" Doggystyle/Geffen/Star Trak votes: 90
8 M.I.A. "Galang" XL votes: 82
9 Yeah Yeah Yeahs "Maps" Interscope votes: 69
10 U2 "Vertigo" Interscope votes: 68

11 Green Day "American Idiot" Reprise votes: 67
12 Eminem "Mosh" Interscope votes: 52
Loretta Lynn featuring Jack White "Portland Oregon" Interscope votes: 52
14 Killers "Somebody Told Me" Island votes: 50
15 LCD Soundsystem "Yeah" DFA votes: 45
16 Gretchen Wilson "Redneck Woman" Epic Nashville votes: 44
17 Walkmen "The Rat" Record Collection votes: 41
18 Scissor Sisters "Take Your Mama" Universal votes: 40
19 Terror Squad "Lean Back" SRC/Universal votes: 38
20 Gwen Stefani "What You Waiting For?" Interscope votes: 36

21 Big & Rich "Save a Horse (Ride a Cowboy)" Warner Bros. votes: 35
Jadakiss Featuring Anthony Hamilton "Why?" Ruff Ryders votes: 35
23 Alicia Keys "You Don't Know My Name" J votes: 34
24 Fabolous "Breathe" Desert Storm/Atlantic votes: 32
25 Von Bondies "C'mon C'mon" Sire votes: 30
26 Kanye West Featuring Syleena Johnson "All Falls Down" Roc-A-Fella votes: 29
27 Nina Sky featuring Jabba "Move Ya Body" Universal votes: 27
28 Morrissey "First of the Gang to Die" Attack votes: 26
Streets "Fit But You Know It" Vice votes: 26
30 Twista Featuring Kanye West & Jamie Foxx "Slow Jamz" Atlantic votes: 25

31 Annie "Chewing Gum" 679 import votes: 24
32 Annie "Heartbeat" 679 import votes: 23
Ciara Featuring Petey Pablo "Goodies" Sho'Nuff-Musicline/LaFace/Zomba votes: 23
Kanye West "Through the Wire" Roc-A-Fella votes: 23
35 Alicia Keys "If I Ain't Got You" J votes: 22
36 J-Kwon "Tipsy" So So Def votes: 20
37 Interpol "Slow Hands" Matador votes: 19
38 Libertines "Can't Stand Me Now" Rough Trade votes: 18
39 Destiny's Child "Lose My Breath" Columbia votes: 17
Nas "Bridging the Gap" Columbia votes: 17

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

>Shatner 156th.
-- Dr Morbius (wjwe...),
>in a 4-way tie at #139!

Really, as a 25-year reader of this poll, it's a lot easier than you might think, and a waltz compared to the Oscar pool.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm pretty thrilled about Annie's placement on the singles chart. "Chewing Gum" was my #1 single.

― Matthew "Flux" Perpetua, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm shocked! And gratified (and pissed that I didn't hear "Heartbeat" two months before I did, otherwise I'd have made it my no. 1)

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

my exclamation point wasn't expressing surprise. I thought your estimate of 156 was conservative to begin with.

(x-post)

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I find it hard to believe that 90% of the people who have/voted for MIA/Diplo didn't download it.

And? Technology bad? Internet sucky-suck?

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

What? Only one other critic voted for Chromeo?
:hangs head in shame:

― Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I was rebutting Matthew's point that it was sold in some stores, my point was that it was largely an internet phenomenon, for better or worse (I say worse).

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Damn. None of my comments made the cut.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

and I was being jokingly immature about hating the internet's effect on these polls, just because I don't like those 2 records. (xpost)

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I now wish that I would have laid more (than 10) points on Big & Rich. I thought they'd finish higher.

― Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

the high placement of "Breathe" and especially "Why" (which noone seemed to rate highly besides me in stuff like the Gov't Names poll) is surprising.

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

ahh, i fucked up... i forgot that votes for comps weren't going to be counted so my point distribution is meaningless.

― stockholm cindy's secret childhood (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm the only person to vote for Maxi Geil & Playcolt (you're all a bunch of fools, basically!), and they put the cover of a Maxi Priest album next to it on the page for the record.

God forbid people vote for an album like Piracy Funds Terrorism which is fucking amazing and much better than the majority of records from 2004 just because it was FROM THE INTERNET and that hurts some peoples' feelings.

― Matthew "Flux" Perpetua, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Gotcha, Al. Carry on wayward etc. (Matthew, Al's explanation up there explains he was taking the piss.)

I thought "Why" was HUGE! That VH1 Best Week Ever show dedicated a whole segment to it! (How I gauge hugeness might be questionable, mind you.)

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

YO, ME AND ANTHONY DECURTIS AND DAVID FRICKE AND PARKE PUTERBAUGH BE VOTIN' FOR R.E.M.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

somebody has to

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Only Jody Beth and I voted for I Remember Syria!!

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't for the life of me comprehend why Gretchen Wilson gets more love than Big & Rich from the crossover critical cowpoke wannabes.

― Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

tighter album, (even) better songs

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

well B&R was higher on albums but Gretchen was higher on singles. I think B&R gets more critlove overall but Gretchen sold a lot more records so it get skewed a little.

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

(that's why I voted it higher, anyway)

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Only people who don't know anything about hip-hop would vote for the Grey Album over the Black Album.

Like Greg Tate.

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

mega x-post: yeah, David, "Why" was big, and I guess I shouldn't be surprised given the similiar high placement of "Mosh". but man, NYC hip hop still has a stranglehold on this poll, is nowhere else. not counting "Yeah"/"Goodies", no southern hip hop made the top 40 singles ("Rubber Band Man" at 47), which is full of Jada/Fab/Fat Joe/Jay-Z.

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

"Yeah!"

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Only people who don't know anything about hip-hop would vote for the Grey Album over the Black Album

along with, oh, maybe, those people who actually like it better.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Didn't Thru the Wire come out in '03? I don't understand how that song could place lower than all the other singles from that album unless it's because it is really from '03.

― Scott CE (Scott CE), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll be the first to admit that Big & Rich's album fades hard after "Save a Horse." I rarely listen past that song. But it seems more inventive — and kicks more ass -- to me. I voted for "Redneck Woman" in singles, but there's no way that Wilson's album holds a candle to Big & Rich's best stuff.
Meh.

― Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

"Through The Wire" debuted on a mixtape in late '02, had a 12" and video by the end of summer '03, and had started getting a lot of radio spins by the end of '03. (xpost)

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

fact checker, check your facts and read the rest of my post.

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Out of my top 10 albums and top 10 singles, only one of them actually wound up IN the top 10 -- and that was "Take Me Out".

Oh, wait. Oops.

― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

(x-post)
um, i read the whole thing, all two sentences of it, right down to the punchline about mr. tate! what facts am i missing here?

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

i thought it would be more clear that since greg tate, one of the most important figures in hip-hop journalism history, voted for the grey album instead of the black album, that that would kind of take the piss out of the argument stated above that it was some kind of sign of impending apocalypse that the grey album finished higher.

sorry for (perhaps willful) obscurism.

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, shit, i was missing something! your sarcasm. really! we appear to agree on this point.

me in missing-point-while-checking-facts shockah. sorry!

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, it kinda pisses me off too, but it's just Jay-Z, and he still finished about a million points higher than anyone I voted for, so whatevz

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

possible alternate thread title: "why don't a few hundred critics collectively like the music i like"

― artdamages (artdamages), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah I'm not crying for Jay. Black Album isn't even as good as a lot of his albums that fared far worse on P&J. but maaan, fuck the Grey Album.

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

possible alternate thread title: "don't blame me, I voted for Dungen"

― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't have time to fully digest this all today, godammit, but a quick glimpse inspires two comments:

I totally forgot REM even released an album last year.

And, Matt -- you've never been more wrong than about "Remember When," which SO isn't one of those "nostalgia for the good ol' days that never were" songs.

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Dear Jon Caramanica, please stop biting my ~~style~~ singles ballot. Or is it me?

Yeah, okay. It's me.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

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