Australian indie bands who decamped to London in the eighties: classic or dud?

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The Go-Betweens, The Moodists, The Bad Seeds (back when they were interesting), The Triffids, The Scientists, Crime & The City Solution, etc., etc.

I say classic, but it was a strange phenomenon. None of them really had any success, save Nick Cave. They were as ignored in London as they had been in Australia, but produced some great work nonetheless.

Ralf Hutter, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 12:57 (twenty-one years ago)

In fact, you could take that bunch of bands and pit them pretty damn favourably against whatever indie London was offering around 1985.

Ralf Hutter, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 13:02 (twenty-one years ago)

SAW being an indie you are forgetting Kylie ffs.

Miles Finch, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 13:12 (twenty-one years ago)

You forgot to mention the Birthday Party!!!!!!!!

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 13:13 (twenty-one years ago)

and ed kuepper.paul kelly,etc

La Camilla Henemark, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Were the Go-Betweens ignored?

Madchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 13:20 (twenty-one years ago)

None of those bands were really "ignored" - the Birthday Party, the Go-Betweens and the Triffids were among the most popular indie bands of their day

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 13:21 (twenty-one years ago)

At the time, the Go-Betweens were pretty much ignored by the wider record-buying public - although they were John Peel favourites. Some of their singles easily had what it took to be a hit (Bachelor Kisses) but they never graced the charts.

Yeah, there are a lot of bands I forgot to mention. Did the Church do time in London? Probably. It was a strange phenomenon though, these Antipodean Dick Whittingtons but when they got here no one was really interested. Were things that dire in Ausatralia at the time that the only solution was to get out?

Ralf Hutter, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 13:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't really think what London indie bands were around in 1985.

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 13:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the Go-Betweens did have a chart hit... The Streets of Your Town? I suppose that's quite late on. The Triffids were on the radio (evening) quite a lot.

That said, I've just looked it up on EveryHit and The Go-Betweens are not showing up.

KeithW (kmw), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 13:35 (twenty-one years ago)

**can't really think what London indie bands were around in 1985.**

The June Brides got on the front cover of the NME in 1985 - this tells us that there wasn;t much around.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Richard Davies and the Moles did this after getting a melody maker single of the week. They lived in appaling poverty, working long shifts in factories, and eventually the drummer couldn't hack it, and went back home. Apparently they then recruited the unemployed ex-drummer from the commodores, a big bald black fellow who could be seen at various london gigs joyously playing along with their flying nun style indie pop.

debden, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 13:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Grant McLennan interviewing Nick Cave about the period:

http://www.jturner.dircon.co.uk/gb/gm&nc.htm

My memory of 1985 was that that guitar-driven indie bands were not really where it was at. The Aussies were a few years too late for that. Or perhaps a few years too early.

Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)

According to that interview, Grant and Nick shared a house in Fulham. So they can't have been doing too badly for themselves.

Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)

... which is odd given that Cave used to characterize his time with the Birthday Party in London as a period of drug-ridden slobbering drooling craziness and squalor

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 14:02 (twenty-one years ago)

i think you can be drug-addled and squalid in fulham if you're really committed.

Miles Finch, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

we aussies had to do a sixties cover to get airplay anywhere
did the hoodoo hurus and spy vs spy go to uk ?

La Camilla Henemark, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

i think you can be drug-addled and squalid in fulham if you're really committed

But with Grant McLennan in the same house?!?!?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

the hoodoo hurus and spy vs spy go to uk ?

No, I think we ordered them but got sent Icehouse by mistake.

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Rumors have circulated for years about McLennan's possible experimenting with heroin. I can't believe it either: such a nice boy; you want to bring him home to mother.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, what horse did you think was broken in Horsebreaker Star?

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Mclennan may have experimented with it, he probably just mixed it with distilled water and dropped it on litmus paper to determine its PH value

debden, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

McLen is the sort of chap who'd have more fun with a library card and a cinnamon stick than H.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Moodists: absolute classic thunderous gloom. Loved them at the time, and the vinyl holds up well. (No CD reissues yet?) Early Gallon Drunk was pretty much the Moodists sound.

80s Indie/punk/garage Aussie scene pretty much classic too. OZ - some great recent comps like 'Do the Pop' and 'Tales from the Australian Underground' show that the reviews of impossible-to-find imports I used to drool over at the time didn't tell the half of it.

Soukesian, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Were things that dire in Ausatralia at the time that the only solution was to get out?

yes, and they still are.

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

music scene-wise, that is

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

(No CD reissues yet?)

there was a not-so-recent reissue of almost their entire catalogue on CD, although i gather it's now out of print..

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 23:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Huxton Creepers in the house, probably

Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 23:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Were things that dire in Ausatralia at the time that the only solution was to get out?

yes, and they still are.

huge distances, relatively small population - most of them idiots - you see?

mullygrubbah (bulbs), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 23:11 (twenty-one years ago)

didn't Pelican Daughters go to London to get tattoos?

mullygrubbah (bulbs), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 23:12 (twenty-one years ago)

What are you talking about? Wollongong, as just one example, has got a great and thriving music scene!


j/k course.

PiersT, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)

woy woy too. same two guys every week, occasionally joined bu diesel.

mullygrubbah (bulbs), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

We've got loads of great music, just no-one to buy it.

x-post: Diesel was doing a residency at the Sando last year. How the shitty have fallen.

kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)

my motherinlaw saw him get up with barnsey at the rsl recently. couldn't tell them apart. she's 75.

mullygrubbah (bulbs), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)

there was a not-so-recent reissue of almost their entire catalogue on CD

That Moodists comp was somewhat dissapointing. I keep on returning to vinyl and scrounged mp3s as the sound quality on the studio recordings made them almost unlistenable (unless my copy alone was freakishly flawed???).

Which reminds me, did the Laughing Clowns comp ever come out?

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 06:05 (twenty-one years ago)

not yet

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 06:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Jim Foetus (You've Got Foetus etc)
Graeme Revell (SPK)

Each shivered in London squats, toasting a rat over an open fire. Probably.

thee music mole, Wednesday, 9 February 2005 10:18 (twenty-one years ago)

the saddest thing is, for all thier obscurity, most of them were better than their english counterparts. straitjacket fits could have been the house of love that was good.

debden, Wednesday, 9 February 2005 10:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Whatever happened to Aussie indie bands though? So good in the eighties, so crap in the nineties/noughties.

F.R. Leavis, Wednesday, 9 February 2005 10:42 (twenty-one years ago)

There's going to be a box set of Ed Kuepper's solo stuff now, along with that Laughing Clowns box.

haitch (haitch), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 10:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Speaking of The Moodists, Dave Graney was on TV last night, some music trivia show, he ended up doing a cover of Let's Get Together with Angie Hart of Frente errmm fame, and yes that Laughing Clowns Box is due this year

mentalist (mentalist), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 11:10 (twenty-one years ago)

There's some good new Aussie indie still. Right, Jim? Name some names for these jaded folks.

thee music mole, Wednesday, 9 February 2005 11:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw Dave Graney playing guitar (and wearing an Akubra hat and dancing!) in Kim Salmon's newish five-guitar, two-drummer sludge rock group Salmon last week. It was loud!

haitch (haitch), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 11:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Anybody else see Crime And the City Solution supporting Husker fookin Du at Manchester's Hacienda (yes, The Hacienda!)?

hull hole (hull hole), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Erm, sorry but the farmer looking types from Minnesota blew those quirky ozzie weirdos to about Hull. They were ok though

hull hole (hull hole), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 22:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Name some names for these jaded folks.

hmm. the bites are excellent. from there i draw a bit of a blank.

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

well, sure...crime and the city solution = meh. husker du vs birthday party is a fairer battle.

xpost

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)

i hear the new tugboat shit gonna be heavy silicon

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

there's definitely some silicon involved. but the UK decampment is a little further off

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

you don't need a tat anyway

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Would Dead Can Dance count? Lisa Gerrard used to live in Olinda or something didn't she?

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 10 February 2005 01:41 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah they count. she lives in gippsland now (has for a while apparently)

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Thursday, 10 February 2005 02:04 (twenty-one years ago)

i heard she lives near Moe, that sounds so un-Lisa Gerrard, maybe she's moved

mentalist (mentalist), Thursday, 10 February 2005 03:42 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
Mail-ordered a copy of a Moodists comp "Two-Fisted Art" direct from the label W.Minc in Australia recently. One disc is studio, one live, both sound great, and there are songs I'd never heard on each one. I found the sleeve notes and packaging a bit disappointing, but if you ever cared about the band, it's well worth picking up.

Soukesian (Soukesian), Friday, 9 June 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

watch the NZ/Aus mixups! Straitjacket Fits = NZ

spectra (spectra), Saturday, 10 June 2006 08:13 (nineteen years ago)

there's a DVD of a moodists gig from london, again from that early '80s period, that I've seen going cheap in the shops.

guns to deal with vodka (haitch), Saturday, 10 June 2006 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

Synchronistically, this article just appeared

From a global perspective it was INXS, and maybe Midnight Oil, whose lucky numbers came up in the back half of the '80s. The Triffids made do with critical acclaim and good company. In his book Stranded: The Secret History of Australian Independent Music 1977-1991, rock journalist Clinton Walker shines a heroic light on these misfits that glows ever more brightly - certainly compared to the squandered radiance of INXS.

"The Triffids joined Nick Cave, the Go-Betweens, the Moodists (Dave Graney's band) and (Kim Salmon's) Scientists in exile in Europe," Walker asserts. Along with the Saints, Radio Birdman, Laughing Clowns and some others, "some of Australia's most vital talent had been run out of the country".

Hence his book's central drama, in which noble indie refugees flee the totalitarianism of Aussie pub rock to vouchsafe the "alternative" sensibility that would ultimately return victorious as the Big Day Out.

To illustrate why the Triffids left Australia, Graham Lee opens the Born Sandy Devotional CD book to a photo of a Queensland pub's events board: "Friday: stubbies welcome nite. Saturday: Triffids with Phil Emmanuel's Rockola. Sunday: wet T-shirt competition."

Dave Graney also recalls the '80s indie exodus in terms of cultural conflict. "These inner-city bands didn't want to engage in pub rock. They couldn't. Famously, the Scientists opened for the Angels at Parramatta Leagues Club (in 1983) and they were bottled off stage.

"But there were inner-city scenes in each city that were entranced by import records and import magazines. That's how groups like the Triffids could plug into that British scene, 'cause they were schooled in it. They knew the story and the dialogue."

LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 15 June 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

four years pass...

Moodists: absolute classic thunderous gloom. Loved them at the time, and the vinyl holds up well. (No CD reissues yet?)

I thought 2 Fisted Art was out at the time that was asked -2005. Think it's the only cd of their stuff.
I asked Mick Turner about possibilities of reissues when Dirty 3 played dublin a few years earlier and he seemed tonot be into the idea. I think my vinyl had already been nicked at that point, at least what i had in Dublin. Think I have Engine Shudder now having recently brought it back from LOndon.
Moodists have since done at least one reunion tour haven't they? & Chris Walsh's punk era band the Negatives have had a compi released, that Ugly Things reviewed.
Somebody just upped a '86 German date to Dime earlier today too. Possibly too late since it'll lack the Walsh rumble. I like them best with Mick Turner anyway, his avant near-metal guitar scrawl really adds to Thirsty's Calling

Stevolende, Saturday, 12 March 2011 19:54 (fourteen years ago)

Rumors have circulated for years about McLennan's possible experimenting with heroin. I can't believe it either: such a nice boy; you want to bring him home to mother.

I spent a long night talking to him around 1994 about which of his songs referenced heroin, and he didn't dispute any of it . . . and even mentioned one or two others! You can be a sweet and kind guy (which Grant certainly was) and still use.

crustaceanrebel, Saturday, 12 March 2011 23:35 (fourteen years ago)


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