Early Independent Labels

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What are some? And how did they come about?

Rubberband Man (Rubberband Man), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Edison - no one else was manufacturing records then ...

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Virgin - posh git with lots of money

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Island - posh git with lots of money

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

... you get the picture?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Edison
One time I saw Ray Price swapping insults Rat Pack-style with his Mexican bandleader and they said something about him making his very first record. The bandleader said "And do you remember the name of the engineer on that record? Thomas Edison."

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

They were all independent at one point.

mcd (mcd), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Charisma - posh git with lots of money

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Fortune - ill-starred mom and pop label who put out some genius records.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Oak records - Label run to produce records from sessions recorded by R.G. Jones' studio. Small runs, for promo/sales at gigs etc.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Keith pointed this out to me this morning and it seems appropriate:

> Indie-Pendent Scotland
> Vic Galloway traces the roots of Scottish Indie record labels and
> hears from the independently minded individuals responsible for
> Sensible records, Fast, Zoom and Postcard records.

bbc radio scotland, available via 'listen again' here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radioscotland_aod.shtml?scotland/feature1_tue

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Apple.

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

How indie are we talking?

Apple were always tied to EMI.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

They were all independent at one point.

OTM. the question shouldn't be "how did (indie labels) come about" but rather "why do they all turn themselves into multinational conglomerates sooner or later?"

Oak records - Label run to produce records from sessions recorded by R.G. Jones' studio. Small runs, for promo/sales at gigs etc.

that's not the same oak records that released dwight yoakam's first ep in the '80s, is it?

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

No

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

There were also labels started by artists like Mingus's Debut label, John Fahey's Takoma label, Harry Partch's Gate 5, and Sun Ra's various label names.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.kissfaq.com/discography/jody9004.jpg

stockholm cindy's secret childhood (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Harry Bertoia may have also put out his own records but I don't know how early. The reason I'm focusing on artist-run labels it that they seem to me to be closest in spirit to what I currently think of as an independent label: DIY, small pressings, sold outside of normal distribution channels, etc. A label like Virgin has more in common with an "indie" like Jive than with any underground labels, even if Virgin started out releasing underground music.

MCD's comment that "they were all independent at one point" is pretty much accurate. The split between indies and majors up until the late '60s wasn't really that large as the biggest selling "major" releases still only sold in the hundreds-of-thousands. The big records were mostly things like musicals which sold to a broad general audience and stayed on the charts for ages. It wasn't until the late '60s that people realized there was a huge untapped "youth market" and the industry became a big business and attracted all of the outside financiers.

So what was the earliest big conglomerate label? Maybe Philips? They seemed to have had a big global presence and an involvement in businesses outside of music (i.e. electronics). Were they the blueprint for the Sony-style conglomerate?

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Folkways?

Ian Riese-Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Elektra

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Wasn't Folkways hooked up with the Smithsonian?

Huk-L, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I know the Smithsonian does have a massive collection of records from Folkways (and you can ask for dubbed copies of them, too, apparently)...so they might have, and if so nevermind.

Ian Riese-Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 17:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Folkways has only been a part of the Smithsonian since the founder died:

"Following Asch's death in 1987, the Smithsonian Institution Center for Folklife and Cultural Heritage in Washington, D.C., acquired Folkways Recordings and the label's business papers and files in order to ensure that the sounds and genius of its artists would continue to be available to future generations.

As a condition of the acquisition, the Smithsonian agreed that virtually all of the firm's 2,168 titles would remain "in print" forever--a condition that Smithsonian Folkways continues to honor through its custom order service. Whether it sells 8,000 copies each year or only one copy every five years, every Folkways title remains available for purchase. "

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

BOMP!

Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 10 February 2005 02:21 (twenty-one years ago)

http://servercc.oakton.edu/~larry/miles/images/disclabels/savoy/barbados78a.jpeg

briania (briania), Thursday, 10 February 2005 02:37 (twenty-one years ago)


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