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Rush has recorded a new version of "Close to the Heart"....with members of the Barenaked Ladies

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I know it's for a good cause and all, but really.....WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH THAT?!!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Duh. In order to make proper poutine one has to add properly boiled blood.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

aw jeez... and i was thinking of starting a thread in praise of "tom sawyer."

― stockholm cindy's secret childhood (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, that can still be praised! Best hip-hop beat ever nobody wants to admit is a great hip-hop beat! Except maybe Dan, me and Living Colour.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

great drumming in general!

― stockholm cindy's secret childhood (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Best hip-hop beat ever nobody wants to admit is a great hip-hop beat!

Listen to the rendition of "Tom Sawyer" on the soundtrack to Small Soldiers (remixed by DJ Z-Trip....whomever he might be) for evidence of same.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Then that's even better!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

In any case, I found this pairing even more unsettling than the news that the surviving members of Queen are going out on the road again...with Paul Goddamn Rodgers (of Free/Bad Company/the Firm) filling in for the hugely inimitable Freddie Mercury.

Better choices might've been: that gent in Muse, George Michael (I shit ye not....listen again to his rendition of "Somebody to Love" from the Freddie Mercury tribute...he could do it....and is also sufficiently, flamboyantly...y'know...to pull it off...certainly with more aplomb than Mr.Bad Company).

Rush and Barenaked Ladies? That just stinks like skunk beer on a rug.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Whoa whoa whoa

Let's back this train up right now. You knew, off the top of your head, tracks from The Small Soldier soundtrack.

100 points.

― David Allen (David Allen), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

It also had a cover of War with Hank and a bunch of other people, may or may not include the dude from RATM.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I must say, I never actually saw Small Soldiers, but the soundtrack is a keeper. I must confess to even enjoying the Pat Benatar/Queen Latifah remix of "Love is a Battle Field".

It's like that ambitious soundtrack for Judgement Night....only good!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Neil Peart is the single most overrated drummer in modern music. Dude can't keep time! He's the Yngwie Malmsteen of Objectivist Canadian Drummers.

― J (Jay), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Not that this isn't going to a horrific remake anyway, at least in theory.

― J (Jay), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Perspective, please. It's just ONE member of the Barenaked Ladies, Ed Robertson, and the Ladies CAN be pretty restrained when the want to be. I doubt this will turn it into a novelty song or anything.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)

This begs the question that anything with Geddy Lee vocals isn't a de facto novelty song.

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.2112.net/artifacts/volume1/track3/bd.jpg

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Best hip-hop beat ever nobody wants to admit is a great hip-hop beat!
Listen to the rendition of "Tom Sawyer" on the soundtrack to Small Soldiers (remixed by DJ Z-Trip....whomever he might be) for evidence of same.

and I'll throw in Princess Superstar's mash-up with Meth'n'Redman "How High Tom Sawyer"

― zebedee (zebedee), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Didn't DJ Q*Bert do something with Tom Sawyer a while ago?

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 9 February 2005 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, let's be clear - "Tom Sawyer" is great. But just because Neil Peart could hold a groove for four whole measures at the beginning of the song doesn't forgive his years of crapitude. Sorry JBR, but the dude SUCKS.

― J (Jay), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

such ire!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I just speak truth as I see it, yo.

― J (Jay), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Whither John Rutsey, the Pete Best of the '70s? (Or of Canada, whichever.)

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Um, on what tracks do you hear his timekeeping slipping? I don't have an expert ear for this or anything but it does seem like a bit of a crazy claim on the surface. Of all the things you could fault him for, it seems odd.

I don't know what I think of this but I don't know if it could be much worse than the video they just did for the same song with the

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost)

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I think he has The Police and Rush mixed up.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

RUSH tha Police!

― Efil4nezorf (SeanC), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 22:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Neil Peart is the single most overrated drummer in modern music. Dude can't keep time! He's the Yngwie Malmsteen of Objectivist Canadian Drummers.

Aha! This was going to be something I put up for that Rock Crit Cliches A-Level thing but I couldn't flesh it out but here goes:

Eddie Van Halen and Neil Peart are two musicians in the camp of both Over-rated and Under-rated....(I think I might have posted this about Eddie before).....Anyway, they are very very overrated by the guitar magazine/musician crowd who basically worship everything they've ever did and their prodigious technique....However, this following has led many critics and hardcore music snobs to underrated both these guy's considerable strengths....Neil can come up with some very cool, groovy, inventive beats, and isn't nearly as wanky as he's pegged as being (although he can be wanky)....If you think he's "always" overplaying I dare say you haven't listened to alot of Rush stuff very carefully, esp. their post-Moving Pictures 80s records....

Ditto for Eddie Van Halen...yep, he's fast, but he's also fucking tuneful and inventive and catchy and a great GREAT rhythm guitar player (I think his rhythm work is almost more singularly creative than his lead playing)....also a great pop songwriter and riffsmith....

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 23:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Where's Martin M. for this VH digression?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 23:19 (twenty-one years ago)

and WHY WHY WHY do people say "this guy plays bass a million notes a minute like geddy lee ick!" when geddy is usually holding down fat straight rhythyms?!?

― charleston charge (chaki), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 23:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Best hip-hop beat ever nobody wants to admit is a great hip-hop beat! Except maybe Dan, me and Living Colour.

Didn't Mixmaster Mike used to open Beastie Boys shows buy cutting that track up?

― Vic Funk, Wednesday, 9 February 2005 23:24 (twenty-one years ago)

and WHY WHY WHY do people say "this guy plays bass a million notes a minute like geddy lee ick!" when geddy is usually holding down fat straight rhythyms?!?

no diggity....geddy's just a great great bass player...people always act like he's billy fucking sheehan or stu hamm or something and it's totally bullshit.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)

he's a wanker at the keyboard though

― charleston charge (chaki), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

and a Taurus pedal abuser.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Geddy Lee and Neil Peart are great players. Ya'll need to leave that crack alone.

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Thursday, 10 February 2005 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex Lifeson's no slouch on the guitar too, by the way.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 10 February 2005 00:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I love that little intro riff to The Spirit Of Radio.

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Thursday, 10 February 2005 00:30 (twenty-one years ago)

"invisible airwaves crackle with life"....

does anyone else think that whole song has a certain radio tone to it?? There just seem to be more highs in the mix of that song and I think thats kinda clever. Maybe I'm the last person on earth to pick up on that one...

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Thursday, 10 February 2005 00:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex Lifeson's no slouch on the guitar too, by the way.

Yeah...he was always good but then in the early 80s he kind of got into their really, wierd, spacey style of playing and stopped doing any kind of conventional hard rock leads...it was all kind of wierd whammy bar stuff and stray notes....very unique for the genre at the time....

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 10 February 2005 00:35 (twenty-one years ago)

OTM, Matt.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 10 February 2005 00:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmmm... I heard Hemispheres the other day and was just thinking Lifeson definitely carries his weight (and thats no easy chore in Rush) but he wasn't doing anything special. I'm gonna have to look into this...

When you say early 80's are we speaking of Moving Pictures and Signals??

Rush and The Police always get lumped together - Andy Summers was a much better guitar player.

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Thursday, 10 February 2005 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Sundar - it's live stuff I've heard . . . actually, I saw a video recently for a live version of "Tom Sawyer," and Alex was keeping the whole thing from falling apart. The studio tracks are reasonably solid, but you know . . . click tracks. I suppose he's not awful, but I kinda suspect the reason he plays so many fills is that he can't really keep a straight beat in the pocket. He often plays with a click live too a la Keith Moon (check the headphones), so that ought to tell you something.

― J (Jay), Thursday, 10 February 2005 01:21 (twenty-one years ago)

When you say early 80's are we speaking of Moving Pictures and Signals??

I guess post-Moving Pictures....Signals...Grace Under Pressure is the peak of their New Wave style....fuck the one with the dude watching TV with Manhatten Project on it...forgot the name...

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 10 February 2005 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Didn't DJ Q*Bert do something with Tom Sawyer a while ago?

-- Huk-L

It's on this mixtape, which is awesome:

http://sandbox.pair.com/images/qbert.gif

― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 10 February 2005 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

It was with A member of Barenaked Ladies basically doing rhythm acoustic guitar and a few back vocals, nothing fancy. Bubbles was also there doing the same thing and that should scare you a whole lot more:

And actually it wasn't that bad. All this talk about Neil Peart unable to keep a straight beat is nonsense. Having seen the guy love a couple of times as well as seing numerous videos I have no idea what you are talking about.

Geddy is an awesome bassplayer, period.

Alex is even better when you consider that he plays with only three fingers on his left hand (he never uses his pinky).

― blawa (blawa), Thursday, 10 February 2005 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Crap picture didn't show:

http://www.thebeerstore.ca/chill/Issue1/bubbles2.jpg

― blawa (blawa), Thursday, 10 February 2005 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

"Hey, $10 is $10..."

― Edward Bax (EdBax), Thursday, 10 February 2005 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Neil Peart's problems with his drumming isn't keeping time, it is being able to play in the moment, be spontaneous and not just a metronome. Peart is like a one man drum corp cadet as he writes all of that crazy stuff out and plays it back exactly as written every time. This rigidness in his playing led Peart to work with some jazz drum guru to loosen up his drumming.

― earlnash, Thursday, 10 February 2005 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Having seen the guy love a couple of times
WOW.

― m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Thursday, 10 February 2005 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, wow! Is his stick-handling as supple as you'd think?

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 10 February 2005 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Oops, that was supposed to be "live" obviously.

― blawa (blawa), Thursday, 10 February 2005 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd like to point out that the actual song title that i mistyped in the thread question is "

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 10 February 2005 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

what the fuck?

"CLOSER to the Heart"

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 10 February 2005 21:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Sellout Objectivist hosers.

― ffirehorse, Thursday, 10 February 2005 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know what I think of this but I don't know if it could be much worse than the video they just did for the same song with the

For some reason ILX ate the rest of my sentence, which was "guys from Trailer Park Boys." So it turns out that it was in fact the same track. It sounded fine actually.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Thursday, 10 February 2005 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I stand by my opinion. And for those of you who suggest that Neil's problem is playing like a metronome, may I refer you to my point about click tracks?

You want a shithot progrock drummer who can actually keep time, groove *and* play more complicated fills than Peart? Listen to Jaki Liebezeit. (Added bonus: no Ayn Rand!)

― J (Jay), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know what I think of this but I don't know if it could be much worse than the video they just did for the same song with the
For some reason ILX ate the rest of my sentence, which was "guys from Trailer Park Boys." So it turns out that it was in fact the same track. It sounded fine actually.

-- sundar subramanian (sundar_subramanian200...), February 10th, 2005.

yeah, actually it says the track was done with Ed Robertson and actor Mike Smith (a.k.a. Trailer Park Boys' Bubbles)

― ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Friday, 11 February 2005 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

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