So, what's up with the Green Day guy and all these high school prom type songs?

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― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 10 February 2005 03:25 (twenty-one years ago)

What, you hated prom?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 February 2005 03:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Prom was okay but these songs seem a little contrived, shall we say.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 10 February 2005 03:32 (twenty-one years ago)

if this thread is about anything besides/after "Time Of Your LIfe" then it's stupid.

― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 10 February 2005 03:32 (twenty-one years ago)

C'mon, man, "American Idiot" is a pure power ballad. Oh wait.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 February 2005 03:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually one thing I appreciate about Green Day is that their greatest hits album has turned out *not* to be the end of their career.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 February 2005 03:37 (twenty-one years ago)

really? cuz that pisses me off!

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 10 February 2005 03:38 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah it really did seem like it would be the last whimper at the time, didn't it? I give them respect for still making hits. (x-post)

― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 10 February 2005 03:39 (twenty-one years ago)

But Mr. Blount you are full of hate and bile. Wait, so am I.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 February 2005 03:40 (twenty-one years ago)

"Wake Me up When September Ends"

6x-post

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 10 February 2005 03:40 (twenty-one years ago)

shit... all i have to say is that both Warning and American Idiot have been the strongest albums since (and possibly including) Dookie.

― jonviachicago, Thursday, 10 February 2005 03:40 (twenty-one years ago)

The last album was surprisingly great. Proms were pretty lame, though.

― subgenius (subgenius), Thursday, 10 February 2005 06:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyone else notice how the singer rambles on and on about how he walks alone, and that his shadow is the only one who walks beside him, yet there they are in the video - his bandmates - WALKING BESIDE HIM!!!!

― dwayne dibley (frownland), Thursday, 10 February 2005 06:19 (twenty-one years ago)

hitchin' a ride rules.

― reo, Thursday, 10 February 2005 06:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Seriously, what exactly is this:

http://www.greenday.net/ewcover.jpg

Saves rock?!?!?!

― blawa (blawa), Thursday, 10 February 2005 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude, "September" is NOT a prom song. 1) it's about Billie Joe's father dying, but besides that 2) it ROCKS OUT after the first minute+ and for the rest of the song that, if you are slow-dancing to it, you'll have to either start some polka stomp or just go yr own way. Then again, I don't understand how kids can get to the RAWK part of "Stairway to Heaven" and maintain their Elks Hall Shuffle.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 10 February 2005 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

man they really look old now.

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Thursday, 10 February 2005 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

It's the damn eyeliner. And the psoriasis.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 10 February 2005 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

they are so terrible

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 February 2005 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

shit... all i have to say is that both Warning and American Idiot have been the strongest albums since (and possibly including) Dookie.
-- jonviachicago (jon83...), February 10th, 2005.

Warning?! Besides that "minority" song and a few other tracks it was all filler.

Dookie was completely solid.

― David Allen (David Allen), Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

So how many bands have "saved rock" in the past 5 years?

― billstevejim, Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd like to think that if there were more non-misogynist bands on the radio whose rhythm section sounded halfway human AND tight then people wouldn't give such a shit about Green Day (though that still wouldn't change the fact that Billie's pipes blow everybody's brain back to 1994 - where they often wish they could live forever).

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

This isn't the first time somebody's coasted off secondhand memories of Woodstock

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Quoi?

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Remember the mudfight? And how we all laughed? And Clinton was in the White House and rock was everywhere?

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

and rock was everywhere?

Lately I've been unsure whether rock was actually as big as I thought it was around 1994.

― billstevejim, Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

1994 was the year of Trip Hop.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

not in my high school

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember seeing the Boredoms that year.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I gotcha, AM, though I think there's more to it than nostalgica. (Ha - I meant to type "nostalgia", but I like that typo!)

Trip-hop, as much as I love it, was the "old" electronica (in terms of critical yipee & actual lasting impact on the charts and the MTV and the stuff that determines the "winners" in the minds of the greater mud-eating populace), and, hell, trip-hop never even had a Fat of the Land! It went boom in 1994, sure, but it sure didn't define the year. (If you think I'm wrong, please bring evidence and facts to the fite.)

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Kurt Cobain's suicide and Woodstock '94 were bigger deals than trip-hop for a lot of people.

(p.s. I also acknowledge that Green Day "sound like a band" and that Billie turned his guitar back up and have vaguely political lyrics that let people know their liberal without, like, actually saying anything)

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought 1995 was the year of trip-hop! (and maybe also the next couple years, when a lot of people were climbing on that bandwagon, for an example: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000002JD2/ref=m_art_li_2/103-6231710-0220603?v=glance&s=music).

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't listened in a while but American Idiot has maybe 2-3 songs that, on first listen, could be considered prom songs. They put me off at first then grew on me, whereas "Time Of Your Life" never did (and its use on the collage show packaged with the Sienfeld finale didn't endear it to me).

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Given that most direct protest songs I've heard of late can't muster saying a damn thing beyond "war sucks" or "Bush sucks", and fall on their face when they try to move beyond that level of rhetoric, I'll take anti-establishment vagaries (even if being pro-liberal isn't so anti-establishment). Better to beat around the bush (& make people possibly wonder why so-and-so is bothering w/ the beating) than attack the bush head-on with a can of spraypaint, a big protest sign, and a bullhorn.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Then again, I'm also of a mind to believe that the key to raising the level of political discourse in this country is for politicians & news outlets & anyone taking a stand to cut the shit w/ the soundbytes and the shouting and actually acknowledge the world of gray that's contained in all of these hot-button issues and "pretend" that the American people (red, blue, orange, etc.) can withstand being treated like they're free-thinking intelligent individuals, so maybe I'm in line for a beatdown.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Talking about a world of grey and being incoherent are two different things.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

and wait you argue for cutting the shouting and soundbytes by supporting Green Day?

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

if this thread is about anything besides/after "Time Of Your LIfe" then it's stupid

"Time of Your Life" is a great song. People that say otherwise:

AIN'T NO FUTURE IN YA FRONTIN'!

- "MC BREED, BITCH"

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

holy shit MC Breed

"Time Of Your Life" kinda blows. I can't even judge it cuz they used it on the special before the final episode of Seinfeld and when I hear it all I see is Jason Alexander looking at a script and smiling.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

That was one of the weirdest music/TV pairings ever.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, really, angling & hoping for political discourse in pop music in any fashion is capitulating to soundbytes & shouting, but I'd like to think there's a bit of difference between lines like "and maybe I'm the faggot America / I'm not part of a redneck agenda" (where there's room for interpretation and consideration) and "does he smell his own bullshit / when the President talks to God?" (where there's no room for any damn thing besides obvious pot shots). It's not much of a difference, mind you, but it's there.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

yes "faggot vs. redneck" is clearly a world of grey

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

you could argue that the word "bullshit" is equally up for interpretation and consideration.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, rhetoric, you fickle fickle piece of my ass.

The grey (and why do I always spell that wrong?) isn't in the words themselves, it's BETWEEN the words. And it's relative, obviously - a Leni Riefenstahl propaganda flick would come off as a sublime exstitential exploration of the German experience when put up against that Bright Eyes thing.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

This grammy/pazz'n'jop placer is better than a free acoustic itunes download by Conor Oberst. Agreed.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, that's it, I'm getting Alex.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 10 February 2005 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

"Dude, "September" is NOT a prom song. 1) it's about Billie Joe's father dying, but besides that 2) it ROCKS OUT after the first minute+"

I feel bad now! Surely, though, you could see how I would've thought it was another of these songs having turned it off of the radio thirty five seconds into it because I don't like the green day.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 10 February 2005 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

There was no "year of trip-hop," not in the US anyway.

Only one trip-hop song has ever broken the top 100 here, I think.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Thursday, 10 February 2005 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Tim, I didn't mean to make you feel bad! Honestly, I wouldn't have known what the song was about if I didn't hear some snippet of an interview talking about it. And, actually, I'm surprised that track's anywhere near the radio (especially since I thought "Holiday" was the newest single) - it really doesn't ROCK OUT per se; it just gets louder, but maintains the same dreary tempo.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 10 February 2005 18:21 (twenty-one years ago)

-- miccio (anthonyisrigh...), February 10th, 2005.

haha Anthony OTM, I was just about to bring that up. it doesn't help that song that I associate it with a slow-motion montage of cast members hugging at the end of a show whose motto was once "no hugging, no learning".

― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 10 February 2005 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Warning was consistently good (the non-singles were better than "Warning" and "Minority"), but doesn't have as many great songs as Dookie. The new one, however, just kind of blows.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 10 February 2005 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Hands up everyone who actually had "Time of Your Life" as their senior/prom song.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 10 February 2005 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

"Waiting" (the Warning single that wasn't "Warning" or "Minority") is my favorite thing they've done since Dookie.

― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 10 February 2005 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

My favorite was "Church on Sunday," a quasi-grown up version of the love songs off of their Lookout albums.

Their political songs (Minority less so) all suck, Billie Joe should stick to goofy love/hate songs and whining.

The praise heaped on their mediocre album and bland political posturing was the most annoying critical meme of 2004. Well, outside of bland political posturing by critics themselves.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 10 February 2005 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Hands up everyone who actually had "Time of Your Life" as their senior/prom song.

True, I graduated in '98 and I recall that song more for getting played on Seinfeld than anything else.

― billstevejim, Thursday, 10 February 2005 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

My five year old daughter asked 'can I have a Green Day?' last night. I said yes, and she said 'You're a good man. So my gf took her to the shop and she bought a compilation of the hits. Th shop guy couldn't even see her over the counter, just a little hand forking over $10.

She takes the CD home, dances to it for a while in her bedroom and goes, 'the third song has a rude word in it. I'm learning all the words but I won't say the rude word'.

― thee music mole, Thursday, 10 February 2005 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Your daughter rules. Get her to vote in next year's Pazz/Jop.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 February 2005 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

That would be:

1. Saddle Club

2. Barbie Pool Party Album

3. Power Puff Girls Album

4. Green Day Compilation

5. The Wiggles Movie Album

6. Kraftwerk - Electric Cafe (which she calls 'Boing Boom Tchak' or, somewhat confusingly to me, 'The Robot Album')

7. Bob the Builder

8. The Runaways - Cherry Bomb (just the single)

― thee music mole, Thursday, 10 February 2005 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)

man, all the ILXers with offspring should do a list of their kids' top tens. if something like that hasn't been done already.

― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 10 February 2005 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

haha where's that The Wire Jr. thread?

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 10 February 2005 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Am I alone in thinking "Warning" was a shameless ripoff of The Kink's "Picture Book"?

― darin (darin), Thursday, 10 February 2005 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

you aren't alone, a ton of people made note of it when it came out.

― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 10 February 2005 21:28 (twenty-one years ago)

point of order:
the song's called 'Good Riddance'
(damn parenthetical titles)

― irrigation can save your people, Friday, 11 February 2005 02:34 (twenty-one years ago)

High school prom type songs?

Blink 182, Sum 41, Good Charlotte, Dashboard Confessional .....

"Green Day, meet The Bandwagon."

― ffirehorse, Friday, 11 February 2005 23:24 (twenty-one years ago)

four minute grime/rap/dancehall/pop trax are much easier to integrate into the daily schedule.

― he does guitar with his mouth lmao mint (ex machina), Friday, 11 February 2005 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

elementary school assembly songs: smashmouth!

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 11 February 2005 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

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