― earinfections (Nick Twisp), Thursday, 10 February 2005 06:43 (twenty years ago)
― Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Thursday, 10 February 2005 06:46 (twenty years ago)
― greg ginn thought neubauten was bullshit, why don't you? (smile), Thursday, 10 February 2005 06:59 (twenty years ago)
― earinfections (Nick Twisp), Thursday, 10 February 2005 07:02 (twenty years ago)
― Nic de Teardrop (Nicholas), Thursday, 10 February 2005 12:16 (twenty years ago)
― hmmm (hmmm), Thursday, 10 February 2005 12:31 (twenty years ago)
Book I provides basic information, backstory, and a complete list of alter egos for each of the nine core members of Wu-Tang Clan: + RZA+ GZA+ ODB+ Method Man+ Ghostface Killah+ Raekwon+ U-God+ Inspectah Deck+ Masta Killa Book II breaks down nine key themes of the Wu-Tang universe: + Spirituality: the spiritual journey through the Bible to Greek Mythology to Five Percent Nation to Ch’an Buddhism to a holistic spirituality.+ Martial Arts: from a fascination with kung fu movies up through a serious study of martial arts Eastern spirituality.+ Capitalism: from the now-famous original record deals that allowed the Clan to record together and as solo artists through the Clan’s later diversification, including Wu-Tang Records, Wu-Wear, the Shaolin Style Playstation, and more.+ Comics: the influence of comic book heroes on hip-hop and Wu-Tang, including specific discussions of the bestselling Nine Rings of Wu-Tang comic books and Bobby Digital.+ Chess: the importance of chess to Wu-Tang both as a game and as a multi-sided metaphor.+ Organized Crime: Wu-Tang’s personal, cinematic, and structural affinities with the Mafia.+ Cinema: includes both kung-fu and mafia movies, but also the cinematic sound of Wu-Tang music, plus sections on key filmmakers John Woo, Jarmusch, and Tarantino.+ Chemistry: brief history, anecdotes, and information about Wu-Tang Clan’s experimentation, and how it has influenced their music.+ Slang: a dictionary-like compendium of Wu-slang. Book III provides the lyrics and densely annotated explanations of nine Wu-Tang songs:+ “Protect Ya Neck” + “Bring Da Ruckus” + “C.R.E.A.M.” + “Triumph” + “Hellz Wind Staff” + “Impossible” + “Protect Ya Neck (The Jump Off)” + “Uzi (Pinky Ring)” + “Rules” And in Book IV, RZA discusses the art and craft of hip-hop as it relates to Wu-Tang:+ Wu-Tang Samples: RZA’s unique, groundbreaking approach to sampling+ Technology: history of key technological components RZA and the Clan had to master to make their music what they wanted it to be.+ The Spirituality of Producing: what goes into producing Wu-Tang’s music and what it has meant to the RZA.+ Voices as Instruments: how the nine members of Wu-Tang Clan function like a symphony, with each member playing an instrumental role+ The Art of Rhyme: a discussion of Wu-Tang lyric-writing, with key contributions from GZA and U-God.+ Live Performances: a brief history of the importance and the sensibility of Wu-Tang performances, up through their recent show in Los Angeles.+ The Way of the Abbot: RZA on his role at the center of the Wu-Tang Clan+ Wuman Resources: the career management behind the Wu-Tang Clan and the solo careers of the individual members+ The Saga Continues: The future of Wu-Tang...
― eman (eman), Thursday, 10 February 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)
― his face was burned off in a flaming crossbow accident (King Kobra), Thursday, 10 February 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)
― Snappy (sexyDancer), Thursday, 10 February 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)
Heh.
― Austin (Austin), Thursday, 10 February 2005 22:02 (twenty years ago)
― his face was burned off in a flaming crossbow accident (King Kobra), Thursday, 10 February 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)
― Snappy (sexyDancer), Thursday, 10 February 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)
― 57 7th (calstars), Thursday, 10 February 2005 22:29 (twenty years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 10 February 2005 22:36 (twenty years ago)
are you saying RZA was a cokehead?
― his face was burned off in a flaming crossbow accident (King Kobra), Friday, 11 February 2005 00:30 (twenty years ago)
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 11 February 2005 01:13 (twenty years ago)
― his face was burned off in a flaming crossbow accident (King Kobra), Friday, 11 February 2005 04:10 (twenty years ago)
EXCEPT if this book includes a reprint of the interview that the CHRONIC zine did with each member of wu-tang when they were filming the 1st video for "wu tang forever" (i forget which track it was) then i'll buy the book.
has anybody ever seen those interviews?? if you weren't in the bay area in 96-97 you might have missed it. oh god, those were the shit.
― vahid (vahid), Friday, 11 February 2005 04:36 (twenty years ago)
― earinfections (Nick Twisp), Friday, 11 February 2005 05:44 (twenty years ago)
"I didn't know it at the time. but cocaine influenced a lot of the best rapping on 36 Chambers. Maybe you can hear it?" -- the RZA
― earinfections (Nick Twisp), Friday, 11 February 2005 05:45 (twenty years ago)
no you really don't but it might be very interesting what he has to say on their other inspirations, his musical knowledge is surprising. the man plays 6 different instruments.
― Rizz (Rizz), Friday, 11 February 2005 10:57 (twenty years ago)
― his face was burned off in a flaming crossbow accident (King Kobra), Friday, 11 February 2005 17:01 (twenty years ago)
(Also if anyone can find or scan those Chronic interviews oh boy that would make me so happy.)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 11 February 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)
― eman (eman), Friday, 11 February 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 11 February 2005 17:20 (twenty years ago)
― sunil (sunil), Friday, 11 February 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)
― arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Friday, 11 February 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)
By the way, did anyone notice this snippet of the Chronic interview posted above?
Chronicmagazine.com: “If you had to do it all over, would you change anything in your career?�
RZA: “If I had to do it over, I would do [it] twice as nice. I have no legitimate regrets, but I did make a few errors on the path. Positive education always corrects errors. I know much better now and I will do it over again from a different chamber.�
Does RZA speak in acrostics in normal conversation too?
― his face was burned off in a flaming crossbow accident (King Kobra), Friday, 11 February 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)
― eman (eman), Friday, 11 February 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)
Isn't that part of the whole 5%er thing?
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 11 February 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)
― his face was burned off in a flaming crossbow accident (King Kobra), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:03 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 23 February 2005 01:39 (twenty years ago)
But I thought I should reply to the comment above about acrostics which I somehow missed. AFAIK, there is some connection between 5 percenters (and other NOI groups) and the use of acrostics and numerology. For example: I Self Lord Am Master. It's the Science of Supreme Mathematics and Alphabets.
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:38 (twenty years ago)
― Rizz (Rizz), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 12:51 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)
― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 23 February 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)
Examples: "The number seven symbolizes Allah because it is the Mathematical terminology for the creator of the universe (and the seventh letter of the [The Supreme Alphabet], G, stands for God"
"8 = Build. Eight is buld because God builds everything. Even the word God itself--G-O-D--you take those letters and add it up, you get eight. 7-15-4. And to build means to add on to life. And when you build positively, you take away from negativity."
(Did anyone ever read "Sideways Arithmetic From Wayside School" by Louis Sachar in elementary school?)
re: skepticsRemember, the book is subtitled "A Written Introduction to the Philosophy and Saga of the Wu-Tang Clan" Certainly it is litered with arguably menial information regarding references or group infighting, but the rest of the book is just so kick-ass that you can't dimiss it completely. There is a chapter on chess for chrissakes. And as arch Ibog said (ie. OTM!), it's a very well written, very honest and frank book that could have been just another tour diary of Method Man on the set of deoderant commercials. Also it underscores the aspects of the Wu-Tang that are dissimilar from most hip-hop groups, in that they set out with a very clear vision for not only maintaing the group direction, but each individual member as well, financially and musically (readers at home see "The Five-Year Plan" page 75).
― earinfections (Nick Twisp), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 23 February 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 23 February 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)
It demonstrates once and for all how RZA and the Wu are so much deeper and more profound than 99% of their contemporaries, particularly the bling-bling guys. It's really mindblowing at times.
― his face was burned off in a flaming crossbow accident (King Kobra), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)
― Rizz (Rizz), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 23 February 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)
yeah. though it appears even the publisher/distributor was confused about that, as there's a "book one" sticker on the cover of mine.
i'm reading it from front to back, am only about 1/3 third so I haven't even gotten to the stuff I think I'd be more interested in, but it's already a great read. Actually, the stuff I thought I'd just skip over (mathematics, kung fu flicks) is fairly interesting, too.
― ()ops (()()ps), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 06:37 (twenty years ago)
― Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 07:27 (twenty years ago)
― ()ops (()()ps), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 07:28 (twenty years ago)
― Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 07:29 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 07:30 (twenty years ago)
― natty droid, Tuesday, 1 March 2005 07:45 (twenty years ago)
I personally would find cruising the neighborhoods that Jay Z raps about far more enlightening...
that makes me weirdly uncomfortable. Maybe it's just the word "cruising."
― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 5 March 2005 00:43 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 5 March 2005 00:44 (twenty years ago)
― Solana The Evil, Saturday, 5 March 2005 00:50 (twenty years ago)
I've actually been to housing projects in Brooklyn, to play basketball, but I took the subway and walked, and didn't try to buy any drugs.
Um, but what about this whole business about Wu lyrics being multi-layered?
I mean, did anyone here really read the RZA's book and see the references and feel MORE enlightened than the way they felt the first time they heard Enter the 36 Chambers?
Among other reasons, the Wu impresses because they incorporat(ed) a whole variety of distinct voices and styles into their sound and brought a cinematic element to their beats that was previously unheard in hip-hop (at least not in their distinct fashion).
The relevence of the whole 5% hocus pocus seems pointless by comparison, simply because 5% is hocus pocus. It lacks deeper meaning because it's a sham.
I doubt most people here would stop and have a two hour discussion with a homeless man who stopped them on the street and started rattling off 5% ideology, so reading RZA's take and taking it as enlightening seems silly to me...
― Solana The Evil, Saturday, 5 March 2005 01:12 (twenty years ago)
Except that the part in the book about 5% ideology only took me 5 minutes to read and I was on the toilet in the comfort of my own home. At least he didn't spend too much time talking about that even bigger sham known as the Bible. That definitely would have irritated me.
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 5 March 2005 01:28 (twenty years ago)
― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 5 March 2005 01:33 (twenty years ago)
― ()ops (()()ps), Saturday, 5 March 2005 01:53 (twenty years ago)
― ()ops (()()ps), Saturday, 5 March 2005 01:55 (twenty years ago)
i don't know whether it's more irritating if the rza et al actually have taken some of the more outlandish ideas that pepper their music to heart, or if they are just sort of dabbling in psuedo-profundity and received "heaviness" (as i'm generally inclined to think) as a kind of half-hustle.
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 5 March 2005 05:51 (twenty years ago)
― ()ops (()()ps), Saturday, 5 March 2005 06:55 (twenty years ago)
anyway i'm not taking that bait, and not just because i'm not very interested in "jay-z as black capitalist" theories. i think these externals are sort of a red herring, if you're interested you should go for a close reading of his lyrics.
but if you really need a book, he's got one coming out! there's an excerpt in the liners to "the black album" and true to style it's not particularly philosophical. the excerpt read like an overwritten take on the thompson/mccain school of self-incriminatory noir (it's a page of him agonizing over making some woman friend of his carry drugs for him, if i remember right)
― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 5 March 2005 07:10 (twenty years ago)
larger picture as in "my community" instead of "me"
― ()ops (()()ps), Saturday, 5 March 2005 07:26 (twenty years ago)
― ()ops (()()ps), Saturday, 5 March 2005 07:33 (twenty years ago)
well, i'm not sure as to the mechanis of how an interview (or a documentary, or a concert) is any more faitful a document of the artist's "intention".
i am very very leery of examining artist's intentions - hstencil's objection upthread be damned - and would prefer to focus first on their work, esp when there's not the same sort of historical distance and perspective you'd have with say, a book about miles davis or whatever.
so is it telling or not that jay-z's favorite slang for drugs is "work"?
― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 5 March 2005 07:37 (twenty years ago)
― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 5 March 2005 07:39 (twenty years ago)
― ()ops (()()ps), Saturday, 5 March 2005 07:43 (twenty years ago)
― ()ops (()()ps), Saturday, 5 March 2005 07:46 (twenty years ago)
haha come on now that's facile silly.
yes i agree it's weird to call them "building maintenance technicians" but only because it's tough to show that there's any "technique" to mopping a floor that the layperson doesn't possess. (part of my job is mopping a floor, i received no training in that field, i hesitate to call myself a technician)
anyway i'm not sure how the critique of intellectual language plays into this.
― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 5 March 2005 07:46 (twenty years ago)
― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 5 March 2005 07:47 (twenty years ago)
slapping academic names on stuff to sound smart probably won't help you understand a text, you're right about that. i think wasting too much time learning background info about a text probably won't help either (you just need "basic competency", i know what kung fu movies are about, what gangster movies are about, who's ironman and what's a "seed" and a "sun" and "an earth", in general so i don't really feel i need the rza's book)
trying to watch how the metre and storytelling and (especially!) the wordplay works in jay-z or wu-tang track is probably the best way to go. since i'm not really a good enough rapper to come up with great wordplay on my own (humorous understatement alert) i don't really feel like i've read too much into jay-z when i detect it there.
i can't tell you about jay-z's "black capitalist philosophy" cause i don't think it's really there
― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 5 March 2005 07:54 (twenty years ago)
― ()ops (()()ps), Saturday, 5 March 2005 07:56 (twenty years ago)
didn't you and others go on about how obvious wu's references were, and how could anyone learn anything from the book that they didn't know already?!anyway, no it doesn't. the lyrics section is more of a "see? remember that shit about ironman you about? you know, in the 200 pages that weren't notes on our lyrics....i told that's what ghost is talking about there".
― ()ops (()()ps), Saturday, 5 March 2005 08:00 (twenty years ago)
okay, so you've figured out how it works. what then? are you then able to create raps like jay's or ghost's? i doubt it. (not saying this is what you're arguing, just like, what exactly is the point of a close reading? what do you gain from analysis?)(i wish there was a way to type a question so it *doesn't* sound rhetorical)
― ()ops (()()ps), Saturday, 5 March 2005 08:06 (twenty years ago)
he really does have this obsession with cause-and-effect that runs through all of his songs, it's just how he tells stories and how he relates meaning (just like the wu do with metaphor and free association).
check a song like "coming of age". he and memphis bleek trade off verses narrating an imaginary confrontation. as they move through their verses they move forward in time through the confrontation (jay jumps out of his car, bleek says hi, jay gets suspicious, they hug, etc) - the interesting thing is that in each verse instead of moving linearly forward they start waaay back in the past and narrate a string of historical events that moves up to the present moment (like in the 2nd verse, instead of examining the present, bleek examines the weeks of drugs, uncertainty and hanging out with the wrong crowd that has led up to his present mindstate, only finishing with "hey jay, what's up?")
he may not use words like "temporality" but neither would writers like borges or marquez or mutis, who uses the same techniques in their stories (except admittedly on a much much grander scale), it doesn't mean the technique isn't there, or it isn't interesting to study it.
more relevantly you could look at how someone like tarantino uses these techniques. i'm not sure why you'd give him the pass on "artistry" but not jay-z, solely because he mentions the french new wave in his interviews but jay-z doesn't. remember, jay-z is interviewing for a different audience than tarantino!
― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 5 March 2005 08:07 (twenty years ago)
― ()ops (()()ps), Saturday, 5 March 2005 08:13 (twenty years ago)
― ()ops (()()ps), Saturday, 5 March 2005 08:15 (twenty years ago)
the point of a close reading, i think, is to try to understand *what* exactly makes a text compelling. i don't mean you have to listen to something and then rephrase what just happened in academic language. but when i'm not sure what others are hearing in something that i don't think is all that great, usually i just listen closely, pay attention and try to reconstruct why the audience is enjoying it.
ask any high school student why he likes tupac and he'll say "he tells good stories!". they may not have the language to explain what a good story is the way an english teacher might but i don't think it's crazy to assume that they're hearing the same qualities instinctively.
(don't quiz me too closely on that assertion cause i don't really listen to tupac so i couldn't explain his storytelling skills)
― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 5 March 2005 08:17 (twenty years ago)
are you sure this is what they'd say? I'm not.
the interesting thing about 5%ers isn't their beliefs, at all. It is interesting (to me, maybe not to anybody else) how 5% philosophy evolved as a social movement, and how something so obscure (basically a very small New York-based movement) now gets heard by people around the world thanks to, you guessed it, hip-hop. I'm sorry, that's just interesting to me! I can't really explain why, but there it is.
― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 5 March 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)
― Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Saturday, 5 March 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 5 March 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)
Turn my music high, high, high, high-er{*"You don't know.. what you're doing, doing, doing, doing.."*}Sure I do..
I'm from the streets where thehood could swallow a man, bullets'll follow a manThere's so much coke that you could run the slalomAnd cops comb the shit top to bottomThey say that we are prone to violence, but it's home sweet homeWhere personalities clash and chrome meets chromeThe coke prices up and down like it's Wall Street homesBut this is worse than the Dow Jones your brains are now blownall over that brown Brougham, one slip you are now goneWelcome to hell where you are welcome to sellBut when them shells come you better return 'emAll scars we earn 'em, all cars we learn 'em like the back of our handWe watch for cops hoppin out the back of vanWear a G on my chest, I don't need Dapper DanThis ain't a sewn outfit homes, homes is about itWas clappin them flamers before I became famousFor playin me y'all shall forever remain namelessI am Hov'
Sure I do, I tell you the difference between me and themThey tryin to get they ones, I'm tryin to get them M'sOne million, two million, three million, fourIn just five years, forty million moreYou are now lookin at the forty million boyI'm rapin Def Jam 'til I'm the hundred million manR., O., C.
{*"You don't know.. what you're doing, doing, doing, doing.."*}That's where you're wrong
I came into this motherfucker a hundred grand strongNine to be exact, from grindin G-packsPut this shit in motion ain't no rewindin me backCould make 40 off a brick but one rhyme could beat thatAnd if somebody woulda told 'em that Hov' would sell clothinHeh, not in this lifetime, wasn't in my right mindThat's another difference that's between me and themHeh, I'm smarten up, open the market upOne million, two million, three million, fourIn eighteen months, eighty million moreNow add that number up with the one I said beforeYou are now lookin at one smart black boyMomma ain't raised no foolPut me anywhere on God's green earth, I'll triple my worthMotherfucker - I, will, not, lose
{*"You don't know.. what you're doing, doing, doing, doing.."*}Put somethin on it
I sell ice in the winter, I sell fire in hellI am a hustler baby, I'll sell water to a wellI was born to get cake, move on and switch statesCop the Coupe with the roof gone and switch platesWas born to dictate, never follow ordersDickface, get your shit straight, fucka this is Big JayI.. hahahaha..
{*"You don't know.. what you're doing, doing, doing, doing.."*}.. will, not, lose, ever.. FUCKA!
― Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Saturday, 5 March 2005 22:32 (twenty years ago)
― robin (robin), Sunday, 6 March 2005 06:00 (twenty years ago)
― vahid (vahid), Sunday, 6 March 2005 11:19 (twenty years ago)
Method Man's doped-up ass would NEVER have the self-discipline to be a true master of the eternal spirit!
Satori4Life -- I'm out!
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 6 March 2005 22:33 (twenty years ago)
http://www.crystalcavern.com/media/indian-buddha.jpg
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 6 March 2005 22:51 (twenty years ago)
― eman (eman), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:54 (twenty years ago)
― deej., Monday, 7 March 2005 08:00 (twenty years ago)
― latebloomer: correspondingly more exaggerated mixing is a scarifying error. (lat, Monday, 7 March 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)
http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=13
good interview
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Monday, 7 March 2005 23:33 (twenty years ago)
― earinfections (Nick Twisp), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 29 April 2005 03:53 (twenty years ago)
― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 23 June 2006 14:35 (nineteen years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 23 June 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)
― Lukas (lukas), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee39/samgezee/wu.jpg
― carne asada, Thursday, 13 September 2007 12:34 (eighteen years ago)
Anyone read "Tao of Wu," the followup to "the Wu-Tang Manual"? I've been reading that, and it's quite good! It's a cross between an autobiography and an insight into the influences behind Wu-Tang. Highly recommended, even more than "the Wu-Tang Manual," in my opinion.
― Lazarus Niles-Burnham (res), Saturday, 11 December 2010 01:15 (fifteen years ago)
Please, please, please
Explain to me why RZA having other names like "Bobby Digital", etc., makes him such a diverse talent.
I guess my being "Solana Surfmastaz" and "Solana II" makes me an artist, too.
Why don't you STOP TYPING, seriously.
― Solana II - The Return, Thursday, March 3, 2005 7:33 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
is it possible this was the first incarnation of Raccoon Tanuk
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 21:44 (nine years ago)
Having trained as a shaolin for four INTENSE years I think I can say authoritatively that the Wu's version is a watered down sellout intended for mass consumption. They clearly don't understand the first thing about the eightfold path. The Third Noble Truth is that individuality must be OVERCOME! In all their marketing I don't see any overcoming of individuality -- exactly the opposite in fact!Method Man's doped-up ass would NEVER have the self-discipline to be a true master of the eternal spirit!
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, March 6, 2005 5:33 PM bookmarkflaglink
p.s. if you look closely he's holding a pred ship:
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, March 6, 2005 5:51 PM bookmarkflaglink
― Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 01:07 (six years ago)