Joss Stone wins Best Urban at the 2005 BRITS.

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Is this heavily ironic or just out-and-out racist? I mean, she's from Uffculme, it makes Dawlish look like the Tottenham Court Road.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 10 February 2005 09:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that the category 'urban' is already racist, so Joss Stone winning it is just funny on so many levels: obviously the fact she's from Devon, but also the fact she doesn't even sing 'urban' music at all.

Haha: From the Guardian: "There was some consolation for lovers of challenging music when Muse won the award for British live act."

― Miles Finch, Thursday, 10 February 2005 09:45 (twenty-one years ago)

The whiter-than-white Brits. Well don't look at me; my vote went to Dizzee.

The only thing that the music of Muse challenges me to do is not to use their CDs as miniature practice dartboards.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 10 February 2005 09:48 (twenty-one years ago)

It was of course the wrong choice, Anastacia would have been better. hahahahaha

― stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Thursday, 10 February 2005 09:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Surprised Annie Lennox didn't win it.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 10 February 2005 09:58 (twenty-one years ago)

New 'geography defines artist's genre' answers please. is Joss Stone's music 'rural'? i don't think of 'urban' as a particularly racist term rather than just disconcertingly vague. only 14 MTV Base viewers must've voted in total.

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Thursday, 10 February 2005 10:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I think 'urban' is racist because it's a weird euphemism. It means 'black', doesn't it? I can't think of any other connotations really. JS won because she sings 'black' music. Now I was being disingenuous: the other connotation of 'urban' is that it's not old-fashioned soul. If it has a bit of scratching or a rapper guesting, then it's 'urban' rather than 'soul'. And that's why JS is not 'urban' -- she hasn't gone in for that, her music is straight-down-the-line retro soul. Joss Stone's music is not 'rural', but 'urban', which could plausibly be applied to Lady Sovereign or The Streets, is not her.

― Miles Finch, Thursday, 10 February 2005 10:23 (twenty-one years ago)

obviously the fact she's from Devon, but also the fact she doesn't even sing 'urban' music at all.

how does it not fit the 'urban' model? half of her album probably could've been by Alicia Keys for example.

no black winners rather frustrating tho - it will just 'validate' the MOBOs even more.

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Thursday, 10 February 2005 10:24 (twenty-one years ago)

but 'urban', which could plausibly be applied to Lady Sovereign or The Streets, is not her.

Dry your eyes mate

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Thursday, 10 February 2005 10:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Old soul covers and songs that sound like old soul covers but aren't really - I'd say she was totally rural music, because that's the kind of thing that gets played in Devon pubs by local bands composed of 40-year-old men who like real ale.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 10 February 2005 10:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Urban is the catch-all for hip-pop with r'n'b/soul overlap. on music alone (not geography), Mike Skinner's inclusion is just as dubious as Stone's (but not especially because they're white)

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Thursday, 10 February 2005 10:27 (twenty-one years ago)

she's young,cute and sex on legs...her music's shite

― joss stoned, Thursday, 10 February 2005 10:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Alicia keys guests with Ursher I guess, but I wouldn't say 'urban' works for her either, not her own recorded stuff, which is pretty classicist. I heard Joss Stone interviewed on Radio 2 (I was in a shop) and she refused to do a Devon accent, said she couldn't.

I said 'urban' could be applied to The Streets because of lyrical concerns and the sonic tradition he's in: garage is 'urban'. If we are going to have genre names, may as well have them reflect the music. Thus 'country', 'big beat', 'jungle', 'grime'.

Urban is the catch-all for hip-pop with r'n'b/soul overlap.

But as I said elsewhere when you have 'urban comedy' (a section I've seen in HMV) then clearly 'urban' is doing a lot more work than music genre-izing.

― Miles Finch, Thursday, 10 February 2005 10:33 (twenty-one years ago)

this just proves the folly of trying to apply genres to an artist's work in such a generic way. it's especially pointless with 'urban' which becomes blurrier by the day.

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Thursday, 10 February 2005 10:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Good night for music of rustic origin what with chubby farmhands Keane winning stuff and all.

Wait a second: Muse are from Devon too right? And Will Young went to University in Exeter didn't he? Hmmm, this is looking like some sort of west country conspiracy.

― NickB (NickB), Thursday, 10 February 2005 11:11 (twenty-one years ago)

what with chubby farmhands Keane winning stuff and all

LOL! (and i quite like em)

also: *rolls eyes*

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 10 February 2005 11:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Best Urban Artist 1972: Benny Hill

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 10 February 2005 11:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Bring back Fred Wedlock, his time has come surely?

― NickB (NickB), Thursday, 10 February 2005 11:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Lifetime Achievement Award for the Wurzels!

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 10 February 2005 11:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Rootjuice for best band next year.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 10 February 2005 11:28 (twenty-one years ago)

TS: Wurzels vs Chas'n'Dave

Country bumpkins or cheeky cockney rascals? The epicurean 'I Am A Cider Drinker' or the somewhat stoic 'Got My Beer In The Sideboard Here'?

― NickB (NickB), Thursday, 10 February 2005 11:29 (twenty-one years ago)

"Ain't No Pleasin' You" by C&D has inexplicably turned up on the new Sean Rowley Guilty Pleasures (TM) compilation. Still, it's a better piano-driven ballad than anything Keane have come up with.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 10 February 2005 11:41 (twenty-one years ago)

can i do my "straight outa cullumpton" joke now please?

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Thursday, 10 February 2005 11:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes please.

― NickB (NickB), Thursday, 10 February 2005 11:55 (twenty-one years ago)

There's a case to be made for Chas & Dave's "Strummin'", if nothing else.

The Wurzels were never the same after Adge Cutler though, were they? Revisionist sell-outs.

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Thursday, 10 February 2005 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Rootjuice for best band next year.

I saw a listing for a band, I think from Bristol, that listed Rootjoose as one of their influences. A little bit of sick came up in my mouth

can i do my "straight outa cullumpton" joke now please?

There is a place called Compton in Zummerzet, it's quite near to Glastonbury

― DJ Mencap0))), Thursday, 10 February 2005 12:32 (twenty-one years ago)

the problem for me isnt that joss won an urban music award. the idea that white people shouldnt be in the running for it is racist. if jay kay won it a decade ago, i wouldnt be pissed off. the problem is that jamelia should have won this. better songs, better hits, better singer, better dancer, and she ruled pop in a way joss didnt. thats the worst thing about joss winning.

― ppp, Thursday, 10 February 2005 12:40 (twenty-one years ago)

A little bit of sick came up in my mouth

HOUSE!

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Thursday, 10 February 2005 12:43 (twenty-one years ago)

people aren't arguing against 'white people' being nominated -- they're arguing against *joss stone* being nominated. it's a racist category already, but if they are going to have it they should at least stick to it.

― Miles Finch, Thursday, 10 February 2005 12:44 (twenty-one years ago)

true.

― ppp, Thursday, 10 February 2005 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

false

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Thursday, 10 February 2005 12:53 (twenty-one years ago)

not proven

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 10 February 2005 13:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Best Urban Act 1962: The Black and White Minstrels

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 10 February 2005 13:02 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost - the streets never started off in the garage or 'urban' scene really, despite him working in/with those genres. i dont think hes ever had much of an urban fan base, really. its probably about as much as tricky. more importantly, hes not even seen as an 'urban' artist. people (or maybe just journos) actually call him a band and get surprised when he namechecks rappers over the specials or ian drury. its similar to joss, really. shes more likely to appeal to the cullum/melua/old gits crowd than the urban audience, no matter how many times they stick her on the cover of urban mags.

― um, Thursday, 10 February 2005 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

who are the urban audience? are they the same audience that watch MTV Base i.e. the people who supposedly voted for Joss Stone?

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Thursday, 10 February 2005 13:14 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck knows who the urban audience is.

joss is about as relevant to the urban crowd today as simply red in 1987.

― um, Thursday, 10 February 2005 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)

the urban crowd? how big is this crowd? what is the crowd comprised of? these criticisms make little if any sense!

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Thursday, 10 February 2005 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Fuck this shit, I'm lovin' angels instead.

― Deerninja B4rim4, Plus-Tech Whizz Kid (Barima), Thursday, 10 February 2005 13:32 (twenty-one years ago)

it's very vague. you could argue that simply red were the soundtrack to "the urban crowd" in '87 insofar as you couldn't walk 200 yards anywhere in fulham or bishopsgate without hearing one of hucknall's histrionic hits seeping out of a futon shop or wine bar.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 10 February 2005 13:33 (twenty-one years ago)

yes what a surprise angels won radio 2's best song of last 250 years award.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 10 February 2005 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)

i love how on the bbc site they asked people their thoughts on 'Angels' winning Best Thing Ever or whatever it was and every single person writing in said they didn't think it should've won

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Thursday, 10 February 2005 13:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, Robbie has to do something with all that money.

― Deerninja B4rim4, Plus-Tech Whizz Kid (Barima), Thursday, 10 February 2005 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)

why dont the brits have a 'best robbie williams award' each year, it would save them having to think up categories to keep his punchable face at the ceremony each year.

― ppp, Thursday, 10 February 2005 13:44 (twenty-one years ago)

"these criticisms make little if any sense"

so which criticisms of this award/issue do make sense then? joss' second album was more of a shit pop one, not a soul one. all this talk that simply red was urban if played in urban areas is just silly. we all know what the urban tag means, it just means black music. so i suppose we could say joss does play black music, or rather, she did, cos that single u had me wasnt soul or urban in the slightest, it was dido/anastacia shite, but for the most part, she doesnt, i dont think. jamelia should have got this award. and if playing retro soul like the soul sessions means joss is rightly eligible for the best urban award, then people like the new mastasounds or sharon jones do it far far better.

― um, Thursday, 10 February 2005 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)

let's face it. who on this thread actually, deep down, gives a flying fuck?

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 10 February 2005 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

"I mean, she's from Uffculme, it makes Dawlish look like the Tottenham Court Road."

hahaha! I LOVE how incomprehensible this is to me! (But I get the gist of it.)

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 10 February 2005 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean we all know what "urban" music was in 1987 by your definition; it was luther vandross, alexander o'neal, freddie jackson. music for dodgy smoothie spiv car dealers in stockwell.

no change there then.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 10 February 2005 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

do people still want to shag joss?

― um, Thursday, 10 February 2005 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

joss is cute. she seems nice.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 10 February 2005 14:08 (twenty-one years ago)

paedo

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 10 February 2005 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

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"you must be thrilled that a blonde white girl triumphed then"

not as thrilled as when someone takes a crap in your mouth. hahaha

― um, Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Please list examples of black artists and comedians criticising the Urban term as i'm not sure there are any...

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

She occassionally sounds like Chris Eubank when she talks. Particularly, when she's over-excited.

― wtin, Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

... are you sounding like Chris Eubanks or are you just pleased to see me?

― Angus Muldoon, Fife (Dada), Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

"Please list examples of black artists and comedians criticising the Urban term as i'm not sure there are any...
-- Alienus Quam Reproba (stevem7...), February 10th, 2005."

good point but not actually relevant to whether or not urban is used to just mean 'black'

mei -- yes these were The Brits fine, very clever, but 'urban' is a US imported word.

― Miles Finch, Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

A white person won the urban category, so at least those who run the Brits don't mean 'black' when they say 'urban'.
they perceive it as everyone else does, but they did not choose the winner (supposedly).

-- Alienus Quam Reproba (stevem7...), February 10th, 2005.

How do you know how they percieve it?
And if it's not them that think urban black then it's the voters, and there are even more of them than there are organisers.

― mei (mei), Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

just kidding, you just seem like a git.

"haha...yes. when was this exactly? 1997/98? i was listening to a lot of hip-hop at that time and i liked Mary J, Lauryn Hill, D'Angelo and even Lewis Taylor too...but the overlap between the two was clear to see then and has grown ever since to the extent that two are seldom mutually exclusive of each other. more recent examples ranging from 50 Cent's '21 Questions' to Outkast's 'The Way You Move' to Usher's 'Yeah' etc. etc."

theres a diff between overlap and two things being interchangeable. i cant be botherd to explain this to you anyway. i know the overlaps go back to even the 80s, though it wasnt as commonplace. but at least then, the average swingbeat track wouldnt go down well as a hip hop track (see the R&B-beat of that lone 'love' song on the brand nubain album for example). even on whats the 411, the drums might have been hip hop, but the music wasnt played/made just like a hip hop beat like a lot of R&b tracks are now. it was still quite songful, for lack of a better word.

― um, Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not being clever, just pointing out that the same word can mean two different things in two different countries, and it often does.
CF 'indie'

― mei (mei), Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

i cant be botherd to explain this to you anyway.

thank fuck for that, i'd hate to see you make an even bigger nonce of yourself.

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

How do you know how they percieve it?

just a hunch

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

good point but not actually relevant to whether or not urban is used to just mean 'black'

it is relevant because the majority of criticism for the term 'Urban' seems to stem from assumption it's been coined to either segregate further or is a laughable attempt to collect all these different genres together for convenience sake (as with Rock, Dance and everything else). If some people prefer the term Black Music that's up to them. I personally do not as the vast majority of music out there is of black origin anyway fwiw and to put that name on it purely to describe the fusion (and dissolution, you might argue ) of hip-hop, r'n'b etc. is just as 'damaging' as actually giving the award to someone like Joss Stone thus inviting even more skewered criticism (see also my MOBO beef in general).

racism and rockism - too ILM bugbears for the price of one, perhaps the best deal on the board today! and why not...

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

"thank fuck for that, i'd hate to see you make an even bigger nonce of yourself."

id love to fight you though, steve. i really want to now. will you let me?

― um, Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah -- it's because i don't like the racializing of music ('black music') that i don't like 'urban' because it not only serves as euphemism for 'black music' but even accentuates the attachment of musical tropes (basically: edginess, 'street'ness, 'genuine'ness) to skin colour that goes with 'black music'.

― Miles Finch, Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

"Please list examples of black artists and comedians criticising the Urban term as i'm not sure there are any..."

wiley, shystie, dizzee rascal, kano...

― ppp, Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe "Soul" is too religious

― Snappy (sexyDancer), Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

what did they say ppp? Wiley would only be happy if he was nominated for Best Eskiboy

awards shows and most media channels feel the compulsion to segregate tho, as it's so convenient. it's just another necessitated ugly characteristic of the industry.

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

i think The Killers would be upset at being omitted from a Best Soul award.

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

i dont have the quote with me from wiley, but there's the slightly sneery/sarcastic way he refers to be the urban tag on wot do u call it for starters.

― ppp, Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't mind Joss or her music. It is quite strange that she won the Token Black award, but kind of worse that every single one of the winners was white.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

well who do you want to win the best rock award? tv on the radio? like thats gonna happen. could be bloc party next year though.

― ppp, Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Some guy from the local paper phoned me up today to get me to comment on Robbie Williams' award. I said something to the effect of "the public gets what the public wants"; then he asked me my favourite song of the last 25 years, I have no idea but eventually said 'Come To Daddy' by Aphex. Now I'm going to look like a twat in the local paper :(

― DJ Mencap0))), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)

tv on the radio? like thats gonna happen.

esp. with them not being British (/predant)

Bloc Party winning anything should not be treated by anyone as some sort of victory for anti-segregationists (lead singer's colour/ancestry being surely utterly irrelevant to Bloc Party's music).

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

good choice Mencap

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

why does it matter whether all the winners were white or not? the brits is about poop music.

there just arent enough/any black rock bands to win in that category. and the brits doesnt like hip hop, never mind grime, so dizzee wont win. it doesnt like R&B so jamelia wont win, never mind terri walker. it just likes pop and rock and things of a trad nature. so this is no surprise.

― ppp, Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

it's that manufactured poop i despise the most. Girls Aloud will never win a Brit award.

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I was going to write something, but actually Marcello otm upthread, I didn't even realise the Brits had happened until this morning and couldn't give less of a shit actually. does anyone? if so who?

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't, I must admit. There was something about it in the free paper this morning, but I didn't bother reading it, I just looked at the picture for a second.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

i expected at least one thread about it from grout!

people are always saying they don't care about Big Brother either and they may well not but we'll still talk and moan about it if we're at all interested in pop culture generally. The Brits is another example of that and just another excuse to complain about the music industry/general public. see you next year...

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, you're probably right. I'm almost ashamed to admit that I've never heard either Joss Stone or Jamelia! (!!)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

before we all go home, this is maybe the most hilariously bad article in the history of the world - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4253025.stm

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Tut tut, even I've heard them!

― Angus Muldoon, Fife (Dada), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

whats so bad about it?

― ppp, Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

"This time, it was the turn of the Scissor Sisters to win after giving pop a similar kick up the backside by cutting through the pretence!!!"

"They have resurrected the forgotten tradition of flamboyant, playful pop stars such as Elton John and David Bowie that seemed to get lost in the 1980s!!!!"

http://www.swo.de/bilder/2/1718.suede2.jpg

― Miles Finch, Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

'It infuriated Floyd fans so much that the Scissor Sisters reportedly got death threats.'

hilarious!

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

... it was probably Roger Waters who sent them

― Angus Muldoon, Fife (Dada), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

154,000 albums sold probably elevates them above "virtually unknown in the States" I would say

― DJ Mencap0))), Thursday, 10 February 2005 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

i dunno that's not much.

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Thursday, 10 February 2005 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

What paper???
I've got to geta copy!

― mei (mei), Thursday, 10 February 2005 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

...and the brits doesnt like hip hop, never mind grime, so dizzee wont win. it doesnt like R&B so jamelia wont win, never mind terri walker. it just likes pop and rock and things of a trad nature. so this is no surprise.
-- ppp (pp...), February 10th, 2005.
it's that manufactured poop i despise the most. Girls Aloud will never win a Brit award.
-- Alienus Quam Reproba (stevem7...), February 10th, 2005.

These two posts highlight why the Brits, as even an IDEA, is stupid. It's not about the best British music, it's the music in certain sub-genres that a certain small demographic like and have heard.

So, they wouldn't let something underproduced/unpopulist win, a great but poorly selling single by a grindcore act say, nor would they let an 'overproduced'/populist thing win, like Girls Aloud.

Stoooopid.

― mei (mei), Thursday, 10 February 2005 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

it's about the most popular music nationwide. i mean, it does actually reflect that pretty well, however crappy that is for us.

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Thursday, 10 February 2005 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

i think girls aloud should have won something. their singles are fantastic.

― ppp, Thursday, 10 February 2005 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

i think the Pretenders cover undid all the good work

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Thursday, 10 February 2005 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's nice.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 10 February 2005 18:21 (twenty-one years ago)

anyone needing to know if urban music fans take objection with the urban tag should head over to rwd or somewhere thats not a majority rock/pop forum.

― um, Friday, 11 February 2005 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Phil Fearon? He tried out as a piano player with the Sex Pistols.

Urban? Heck, the Clash would have won it back in 1980.

I guess if it was still called the "R&B" award, then Joss would have won without so much controv.

Surprising moment was when Will Young thanked "Blair" for writing "Your Game". Yep, the bloke I used to know way back. Last time I heared, he was writing bad songs for the Tweenies. (or re-writing his one and only hit for them). But fair dos and well done.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 11 February 2005 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

she should go out w/ franz ferdinand since they are both 4 years older than they pretend to be

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 11 February 2005 12:41 (twenty-one years ago)

So, they wouldn't let something underproduced/unpopulist win, a great but poorly selling single by a grindcore act say, nor would they let an 'overproduced'/populist thing win, like Girls Aloud.

Stoooopid.

That's a more valid criticism of the Mercury prize isn't it? Which is the only award ceremony worth *hating* (as opposed to ignoring)

― DJ Mencap0))), Friday, 11 February 2005 12:57 (twenty-one years ago)

is that Blair as in 'Have Fun Go Mad'??

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Friday, 11 February 2005 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, that's the one. He was part of the Turkey 'scene'. etc ad naus.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 11 February 2005 13:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Urbane

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 11 February 2005 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

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