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My current allegiance to Cam and nearly everyone associated with Dip Set (Jha Jha, fall back) is frightening. I may be close to losing my job because I insist on constantly asking my superiors "What’s really good?" to their general befuddlement. I just snatched-up a first-run 40 Cal bobble-head on eBay (only $350!). I made my mom cry by adding a chicken-scratch "t" to my college "diploma." Taking all that into account, this video is such a disappointment it’s almost terrible. Almost.

Ryan Dombal, Purpology
http://www.themack.org/2005/05/camron-down-and-out-jamiroquai-feels.html

― 3, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 02:47 (twenty-four years ago)

The Dips are not just about music, they're about a movement, and Jim Jones is the heart and soul of it. Sure, Cam may be the movement's comely avatar (no homo), and Juelz its hot-headed future, but Jimmy passionately channels the spirit of Everyman USA, providing a requisite contrast to the crew's disaffected crack-era cartoon steez. Whether it's via the tortured sincurrity of his verse
on "I'm Ready," or the sneeringly simpleton rock co.kane flow of "Certified Gangstas," the self-proclaimed kufi-slapper typically offers some context for the rancor behind the rape-raps.

Will Dukes, Troublecrunk
http://troublecrunk.blogspot.com/2005/05/oh-really-thats-nicei-dont-read-your.html

― 3, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 02:48 (twenty-four years ago)

With Cam'ron, hating is secondary to self-aggrandizement, which can be economical and understated, or hilariously grandiose. (You're a chump. Have you seen my new purple mink?) He can't seem to help it; even his freestyles are excessively stylized: "Screw all the haters/ Blue as the Gators/ Do me a favor, dog/ Don't do me no favors." (Misogyny, it seems, also comes naturally to Cam: "I'll send you a tape of your sister and your mom kissing/ My dick, that is"; "I'm about finding bitches that's about licking cock.") Okay, so he cheats with a few overdubs, but, shit, at four-and-a-half minutes wouldn't you steal a few glances at your hand? For an album track this would still be a monster.

Sam Ubl, Pitchforkmedia
http://pitchforkmedia.com/tracks/05-06-13.shtml#song2

― 3, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 02:49 (twenty-four years ago)

And Cam's flow is a thing of beauty. His bored, arrogant voice rolls syllables around until he's hit just about every possible permutation, transforming hard consonants into thrown rocks and idly toying with drug metaphors like they're Rubik's Cubes. In Cam's world, he's the king of Harlem, moving kilos, dispatching foes, and throwing around money with Machiavellian cool. Cam has the
warped eloquence of an MF Doom even when he's bragging about violence ("Observe, cock, and spray/ We hit you from a block away/ Drinking saki on a Suzuki in Osaka Bay") or conspicuous consumption ("I park in the towaway zone, chrome/ I don't care; that car a throwaway, homes").

Tom Breihan, Pitchforkmedia
http://pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/c/camron/purple-haze.shtml

― 3, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 02:50 (twenty-four years ago)

Forget Cabaret Voltaire: this is the real future primitive music. The Diplomats have often cultivated an image of pre-modern savagery as a means of emphasizing extreme machismo—in 2003 Juelz Santana went so far as to describe the crew as "animals, orangutangs". On what could be termed 2004’s “Dipset Anthem”, Jim Jones ratchets up the unpredictability. Tablas, removed of any of the playfulness of Timbaland, churn; sci-fi synths, removed of any of the sexiness of the Neptunes, blare menacingly. All of this while Jones lays out impressionistic, slang-ridden dealer rap in flows that might jump the rails at any time. If "Dipset Anthem" hailed a conquering nation, "Crunk Muzik" is the soundtrack to the bloodthirsty jungle militias that took it in the first place.

Gavin Mueller, Stylus
http://www.stylusmagazine.com/feature.php?ID=1384

― 3, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 02:51 (twenty-four years ago)

Cam likes to play with language. His wordplay isn’t on some underground ‘complexity’ tip, or working Kanye’s tongue-in-cheek style. Cam’s wordplay is simply absurd, even more so because it is delivered poker-faced. Cam is deadly serious. “Wrex-n-Effect, zoom zoom in poom poom, since the movie Cocoon had my uzi platoon, KILLA”. Cam keeps it fresh and then he’ll “let the fish eat ya flesh”. The “realest since Kumbaya” will “soufflé your toupee” and you know he’s in the building mister, “with the Olsen twins and the Hilton Sisters”. Cam is so real yet surreal— Lookin’ back on chool / Arts and crafts / Fucked half the staff / Beat up half the class / I was like Dr. Dre though / I have to laugh/ Nigga with an attitude meet me after-math.” He’s got money, and he knows it: “Whips on my fist, houses on my wrists, ya budget on my neck, your spouse on my dick.” What more can you say about a gangsta rap superstar who spits, deadpan: “Hokey pokey dopey lokey okey dokey”? This is one of the few hip-hop LPs where the skits are more predictably straightforward than the songs themselves.

David Drake, Stylus
http://www.stylusmagazine.com/review.php?ID=2584

― 33Q, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 02:53 (twenty-four years ago)

why is it June 27 2001?

― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 02:53 (twenty-four years ago)

we've got to warn them!!

― W i l l (common_person), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 02:54 (twenty-four years ago)

It's kind of a shame JR Writer sounds so typically Dipset (flow like Cam, voice like a cross between Juelz and Cam but higher), otherwise he might actually get props from people. On Diplomats Vol. 5 he had that ridiculous "What Up Gangsta" freestyle where he went 6 minutes with no stops, just unloading his inventory of rhymes seamlessly, Cam in the background talking and keeping time ("this might be 400 bars right here!").

Al Shipley, Government Names
http://governmentnames.blogspot.com/2004/12/jr-writer-and-juelz-santana-get-use-to.html

― 33Q, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 02:54 (twenty-four years ago)

http://images.usatoday.com/money/_photos/2003/2003-06-04-maney.jpg

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 02:55 (twenty-four years ago)

When Dr. Dre decided to title his debut The Chronic, he was making a statement. It was a direct reference to the album’s amazing potency, which reflected the California weed that inspired the name. Harlem’s own Cam’ron now follows suit with the release of his long delayed Purple Haze (Roc-a-Fella/Def Jam). As an MC, there has never been a question about Cam’s skill on the microphone. The flow has evolved from a speedy short worded bar cadence to a laid-back delivery with more focus on clever wordplay. The lyrical progression along with his unique sense of style has that kept his name buzzing in the rap game. With Killa at his creative best and beats to match, this fourth solo album is his most complete work to date.

Martin A. Berrios, Allhiphop.com
http://www.allhiphop.com/reviews/?ID=490

― 3, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 02:56 (twenty-four years ago)

haha i put one of my own in there in case i wanted to post it to throw people off the scent

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 02:57 (twenty-four years ago)

must...stop....Bartman!

― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 02:57 (twenty-four years ago)

http://www.mgkelly.com/pix/ANIMATED-MG-IN-TIME-MACHINE.gif

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 02:58 (twenty-four years ago)

ETHAN'S CAM-INSPIRED RAGE HAS CAUSED A RIFT IN THE SPACE TIME CONTINUUM!

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 02:59 (twenty-four years ago)

http://www.chicagoist.com/images/2004_09_sports_steve_bartman.jpg

― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 02:59 (twenty-four years ago)

youre a double agent!!

― 3, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 02:59 (twenty-four years ago)

Jim Jones is not the world's greatest rapper. In fact, he's probably the fifth best MC in his crew. This is no matter of concern. It's easy to explain why: Jim Jones wins. He does not offer Cam'ron's dexterous, libidinous wordplay. He does not offer Juelz Santana's child-like enthusiasm and manic charisma. He does not offer J.R. Writer's epic breath control.
What he does offer is fire. Deep-seated, blustery, Taft House-raised fire. There is nary a Jones-ian moment wherein he lacks intense anger in his flow. Getting smacked in the mouth is visible both in his past and in our ears' future. Never has a performer elicited such red-eyed danger in every verse. Never has a man staked his claim built entirely on iron-fisted bravado. There shall be no fronting, his words are not his sword. Nor his liquor. Nor his slang trade. This is a man of conviction. Now those convictions may lead to jail time, but this is of little consequence to bi-racial monsters of 101st.

Sean Fennessey
http://hardlyart.blogspot.com/2005/01/ode-to-jimmy.html

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:00 (twenty-four years ago)

if you had one chance...do it all again...

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:00 (twenty-four years ago)

And oh, can he ever rap. Intricacy and economy rarely cohabitate in a rapper's flow, but Cam is a model of both, packing an obscene number of rhyming syllables into each line, and sustaining the effect for lengthy runs. Sometimes he rhymes two-syllable phrases ad nauseam (the NWA rip "Dopeman"), sometimes he flirts with three separate rhyme schemes in just a few bars ("Down & Out"). Sometimes, he seems to be issuing a dare—you rhyme a sentence as long as "You know I'm in the building, mister/with the Olsen twins or the Hilton sisters."
These tone poems—the surety of the cadence, the knowledge that no rhyme will ever sound incomplete—are hypnotic and exhilarating. And though gibberish is part of his stylistic arsenal—especially on the phalanx of non sequiturs that is "Get 'Em Girls," one of last year's most arresting, triumphant songs—Cam's still interested in narrative. To wit, from "Bubble Music": "Cops come blocking the ave./I put the glock in the stash/ Slabs and tops in the trash/Still stop and I laugh/Ma, get them rocks in ya ass/The rest, twat and your bag/Dag, hop in a cab."
Jon Caramanica, Village Voice
http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0503,caramanica,60086,22.html

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What he does offer is fire.

― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:01 (twenty-four years ago)

dont burn too many bridges al!!

― 3, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:01 (twenty-four years ago)

What he DOES offer...is fire.

― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:01 (twenty-four years ago)

youll never write for hardlyart.blogspot.com again!

― 3, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:02 (twenty-four years ago)

What does he offer? Fire.

― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:02 (twenty-four years ago)

And lots of it.

― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:02 (twenty-four years ago)

FIYAH!

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:03 (twenty-four years ago)

"Jim Jones has so much charisma and more attitude than most rappers put together. 'Crunk Muzik' (from 'Diplomatic Immunity 2' on Koch Records), with Cam'ron and Juelz Santana, is the best song to come out of the Diplomats crew. Such a powerful beat - and you can't tell what the chorus is, it's like 32 bars long. Rappers are like Rod Stewart now; they're like a bunch of Liberaces with their gold rims. The Diplomats are just a little bit off key from what others are doing. They seem to be experimenting the most, and they have a real fight mentality. It's the guerilla side of hip-hop."

Maya Arulpragasam, New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/30/arts/music/30play.html?pagewanted=2&ei=5070&en=8893243bba60ea62&ex=1120968000

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:03 (twenty-four years ago)

"Purple Haze" is due out on Tuesday, and it's a left-field masterpiece, showing off all the things he does so well and so weirdly. On his last album, Cam'ron spent most of his time explaining his favorite pastimes (putting drugs on the street, putting women on their backs, putting enemies in their place), but he occasionally switched directions for a startling love song or an even more startling avowal: near the end, he declared, "Now I realize, Christ the king." The new album is more abstract, with spikier beats and more fractured narratives; there's less room for regret but more for experimentation.
Kelefa Sanneh, New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/04/arts/music/04note.html?pagewanted=2&ei=5070&en=4380ba80250831f3&ex=1120968000&8br

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:03 (twenty-four years ago)

No, what HE offers instead...is fire.

― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:04 (twenty-four years ago)

JULY 27TH, 2001! THE DAY NO APOLOGETIC CAMRON FAN WILL EVER FORGET!

http://www.mtv.com/shared/media/news/images/c/Camron/sq-camron-intv04-mtv.jpg

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:05 (twenty-four years ago)

haha June rather

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:06 (twenty-four years ago)

haha its funny cuz none of these cats except maybe caramanica actually fucked w/ cam back in 2001

― 3, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:09 (twenty-four years ago)

when did "Hey Ma" come out? that's the only time I've ever fucked with him. I didn't like "Horse & Carriage" when it came out. I thought it was rather goofy.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:10 (twenty-four years ago)

i still like "what means the world to you"

― strng hlkngtn, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:14 (twenty-four years ago)

confessions of fire is a decent album really! so is come home w/ me

― 33, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:17 (twenty-four years ago)

dude were you fucking with cam back in '01?

I was fucking with him on that big l album! That was a ways back indeed. Of course I didnt think very much about his, what, eight bar verse?

― deej.., Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:19 (twenty-four years ago)

Come Home With Me was the first time I paid any attention. "Welcome to New York City" is pretty hot.

― deej.., Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:20 (twenty-four years ago)

pd, whats at the root of yr dipset dislike, other than lots of corny dudes liking him? Or is that all it takes.

― deej.., Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:21 (twenty-four years ago)

man i loved ma$e in h.s. so confessions of fire was a must, im not tryna get some kinda braggin rights with that cuz that was a huge cd and everybody i knew had it, im just talkin bout these new jacks who think cam is the first thug in history or whatever

― 3, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:23 (twenty-four years ago)

miccio, you had a problem with a song being goofy?!?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:23 (twenty-four years ago)

yeah its partly the dickriders, cam is the face of dying new york so i gotta hear about his ass all the time from new york cats and publications, plus none of him and his crew can rap worth a shit, all their beats alternate between depressing garbage and 80s pop/rock garbage, they always try to eat off trends in rap like the west and south by fuckin with classics like dope man and bout it bout it, none of em can rap

― 3, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:25 (twenty-four years ago)

You gotta remember that song came out back in the late 90s, Jaymc. I was on a different page then. I still find Ma$e pretty annoying, if amusingly panda-esque. A friend burnt me Come Home With Me. Sounded alright but I found it hard to care aside from "Hey Ma." You'd think he'd be my hero with pictures like this but for some reason he's not. Maybe its a hook thing, I dunno. I definitely don't see the charisma.

http://epk.radioandrecords.com/camron/downnout_011205/cover1.gif

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:27 (twenty-four years ago)

they cant flow, theyre studio gangstas except maybe jones, did that whole bullshit pink/purple thing, just alot of gimmicks and bullshit and east coast desperation and hipster avant garde nonsense pushin up some wack ass rappers who aint actually sold more than any other random koch release

― 3, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:28 (twenty-four years ago)

anyway its funny that its considered some kinda reactionary blasphemy to hate cam on the internet cuz in the real world you will get clowned faster as a bitch if you ever admit youre fuckin w/ dipset

― 3, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:30 (twenty-four years ago)

and cam himself used to come with some nice raps and lyrics before he put his whole garbage crew on

― 3, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:31 (twenty-four years ago)

Hahahaha. Yeah, um, that Jim Jones post, that uh, was a joke. 'What he does offer is fire!' You guys are great. Keep throwing stones.

― Sean F (Sean F), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:32 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah see all that shit would bother me but I think they're entertaining. You and Exo were on the same page about this actually.

― deej.., Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:32 (twenty-four years ago)

i saw purple haze on LP for two bucks at a store the other day, bought it, listened to it, sold it for four. I bought myself a sixer of tecate with the cash

― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:34 (twenty-four years ago)

nah theres alotta dudes who i excuse cuz theyre just trippin out, i was just sayin how much i love d12 on that other thread! but dipset is some dead-eyed trash to me, i cant even hear 5 seconds of these clowns rappin before i gotta be like turn it off man turn it off

― 3, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:40 (twenty-four years ago)

Skipping 137 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

id take a six of tecate over any rocafella release since 2001 besides sigel and maybe that bleek with 'round here' on it

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

speakin of 2001 there it goes

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

I did some investment banking while we were back there, I'm a millionaire now.

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

haha look what i found-

Subject: camron interview
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:55:18 -0400
From: ethan
To: ryan@pitchforkmedia.com

youll have this by next week

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Subject: Re: camron interview
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:25:06 -0500
From: "Pitchforkmedia.com"
To:
References: 1

Give it to NLYPM, I can't use it.

Ryan

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Subject: Re: camron interview
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:33:03 -0400
From: ethan
To: "Pitchforkmedia.com"
References: 1 , 2

why the fuck not

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Subject: Re: camron interview
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:27:49 -0500
From: "Pitchforkmedia.com"
To:
References: 1 , 2 , 3

You know why, we don't cover mainstream rap. A Cam'ron review would be totally out of place and weird.

Ryan

-- simon trife (simo...), August 26th, 2002.

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

MEEEEEEMMMMMMREEEEEEEZZ

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)

robble

― Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 18 July 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)

hahaha whoa bizzaro world!

― deej.., Monday, 18 July 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

so what's happened since June '01? did Sosa pass Hank Aaron yet?

― Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 18 July 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0345,clover,48359,22.html

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 18 July 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

Times sure change. Predicted this in 2001?

― deej.., Monday, 18 July 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

freaky zeaky testifed to congress bout his steroid use

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 20:04 (twenty years ago)

Jay-Z vs Nas.

― deej.., Monday, 18 July 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

I wanted to like the Cam album, really, but man I sure didn't and I also didn't have any beer in the fridge. that Tecate hit the spot, too.

― Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 18 July 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

sterl are you submitting that for consideration on dipset4eva.blogspot.com

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

haha gear right now my entire life revolves around turnin wack rap cds into hard liquor

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

I received two bucks one time for a CD by this chap named Hard Todd

― Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 18 July 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

He runs Stylus now.

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 20:25 (twenty years ago)

i just wanna agree what means the world to u is amazing, um like you meet a old friend and they look better than imagination. has there been a ts dipset vs pootie tang?

― 007 (thoia), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 04:01 (twenty years ago)

only if you'll take it, 3.

i think i just wanted to brag about how i was up on dipset before the blogosphere.

also remember when everyone loved cam'ron because of "boys" back when the whole kanye/justblaze thing was breaking? haha yeah those were the days.

(dipset qua dipset -- i.e. not the individual dudes -- also gets plenty of b.e.t. play, so its not just the blogosphere that digs em. tho maybe the blogosphere is fairly alone in rilly digging the mixtapes. speculation: dipset mixtapes are real easy to get ahold of & becuz of low album sales & lack of source covereage are therefore hipper than say 50 vs. LL Cool Jay AND Tigra pt. 48 & therefore are custom-made for indie-ethos consumption? "whoa -- he rhymed apple with snapple with dapple with lapel with crabapple with paffle with grapple with clappel!")

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 04:21 (twenty years ago)

yeah i mean my listening is v determined by what i cn find at actual well stocked best buy but idk if dipset is in fact easier to get ahold of than any other mixtapes on the internet, that is, is this just some most bloggers are connected to nyc thing? or has dipset allowed for this in a unique way, i havent seen their website. but theres absolutely some lack of coverage meets accesibility shit goin on

― 007 (thoia), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 04:37 (twenty years ago)

but cmon you gotta love lapel in a hypothetical rhyme!

― 007 (thoia), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 04:39 (twenty years ago)

i fucking hated Purple Haze at first, but i do like Juelz - "What's It Gonna Be", a lot.

(thanks SFJ! best track i ever downloaded! ...oops)

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 04:42 (twenty years ago)

you want to talk about bloggers running up on somebody they never would have given the time of day to four years ago, having since lost his damn mind -- R fucking Kelly anybody?!!?!?!?

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 04:44 (twenty years ago)

yeah but it isnt like cam ws on some batman wagon like r, but still all this arguin and knashing whats basically late 90s dbl discs from my hs pep rallys is bizarre but im not abt to get in the way of some 2nd coming shit cuz i think on principle, better or worse its worth it to take that 2nd look

― 007 (thoia), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 05:05 (twenty years ago)

I'm totally shocked anyone EVER thought dipset was only popular with bloggers. Wasn't "Hey Ma" a huge fucking pop single?

― deej.., Tuesday, 19 July 2005 05:15 (twenty years ago)

it ws huge and on mtv and the only comparable things i cn think of are big pimpin and maybe its that 50 thread but in da club, too, but those songs arent similar really, theres no cam on a treadmill, hey ma maybe cld rolled into some jlo duets school?

― 007 (thoia), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 05:23 (twenty years ago)

but like i remember and as sterling put it this dipset qua dipset thing is a whole nother animal from hey ma whats up?

― 007 (thoia), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 05:24 (twenty years ago)

Was the first incongruous-blogger-into-Dipset Robin Carmody?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 05:25 (twenty years ago)

i just googled robin now but maybe he she introduced them to adjectives

― 007 (thoia), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 05:29 (twenty years ago)

I think the first time I heard about dipset having an "internet fanbase" may have actually been on ILM. But I might be totally off on that.

― deej.., Tuesday, 19 July 2005 05:30 (twenty years ago)

i remember that caramanica like it ws yesterday

― 007 (thoia), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 05:32 (twenty years ago)

I'm pretty sure Kelefa was fucking with Cam back then. He wrote that great piece on Jay-Z right before the first Blueprint came out, he seemed pretty aware of what was going on.

― deej.., Tuesday, 19 July 2005 05:38 (twenty years ago)

Robin Carmody:

"Cam'ron's Harlem-raised protege Juelz Santana is most intriguing of all because he doesn't even try to deny his sympathies (I wonder how many similar facades will fall before too long). Santana (and what a historically provocative name *that* is) actually boasts about identifying with those who would censor and destroy his own music; the much-vaunted "courage when he was driving the plane / reminds me of when I was dealing the 'cane" line, alluding to the perpetrators of September 11th, is actually a piece of headline-seeking self-importance which doesn't really shock at all; what does make me almost fall out of my chair in shock, especially in context of everything Bush has stirred up, is the casual, presumably approving shout of "Taliban!" at the intro of the Diplomats' "I'm Ready", and again towards the end (I almost described the song as a "posse cut", but to call this a posse cut would be like calling "Anarchy In The UK" skiffle). The word is not presented as some universal evil, just as something casual to say, JUST ANOTHER WORD, JUST ANOTHER ANALOGY. The song itself sounds fascistic in its sheer bludgeoning of the point; Mark E. Smith would have approved of this when he sang "Repetition in our music / And we're never going to lose it" (inspired by Neu!, of course, as were the Sex Pistols' fundamentally defunkified rhythms - indeed you could say this 2003 wave of fascist-hop is doing to hip-hop what the Pistols did to rock music, fundamentally removing it from its inherently black rhythmic roots) a quarter of a century ago. Same sped-up vocal sample for the best part of 5 minutes, no flux or sonic evolution at all, no trace of the flexibility of black pop past and much of the present."

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 05:42 (twenty years ago)

Not that talking about Juelz Santana in August 2003 makes Robin some visionary seer or anything, but it was the first time i remember being surprised to read someone talking about Dipset.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 05:45 (twenty years ago)

actually what i remember that sterling also predicted ws a late 04, what is all this slapping in w our powdered sugar? that ws later pasted w some kind of militancy onto the twins, wait, like in springtime the dips were strained pure digitized rgb primaries and safe for us all

i remember some new yorker shit abt jayz from then! and radiohead! the ties that bind! but yeah i think the recent kelefa on cam, maybe alot of explication, hilighting whats tender, ws def influential

― 007 (thoia), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 05:45 (twenty years ago)

I think this may be my favorite thread of the year so far. Starting with the "all your blogs bite it," the indierock4eva discussion, ethan taking on dipset bloggers, the time warp, miccio's posts, tecate, the return of normal time, the revelation that ryan rejected ethan's cam interview back in 2002, skip to 2003 where robin carmody calls juelz santana a fascist! juelz=/neil young.

― deej.., Tuesday, 19 July 2005 05:48 (twenty years ago)

tim i guess the provacative thing to write here is, is screaming abt the like designification of taliban, not that its what robins doing, just in general the underlining of abstraction in rap, a genre that is definitely fucking w more loaded language than um most, that i cn think of, thinking of nigga, well i guess this post stopped being provocative, im not making accusations

― 007 (thoia), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 05:52 (twenty years ago)

To be fair to Robin he does (or did) say in the rest of the piece I'm quoting from that he likes Dipset/Juelz a lot!

Generally speaking Robin is obsessed with mapping politics (specifically British politics) onto music so linking Juelz Santana with fascism isn't as provocative from his perspective as it would be if most other critics did it.

I think Ronan equated twee electronica with fascism too at one stage. Or hyper-racist British conservatism at any rate. It was that time that he and Dave Stelfox went to war with each other and ended up being besties and both hating ILM...

Golden Years...

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 06:13 (twenty years ago)

oh god ive equated tons of shit w fascism, its like a racism callout but posh!

― 007 (thoia), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 06:23 (twenty years ago)

Obv I meant that Robin equated twee electronica with fascism.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if Ronan did too!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 07:00 (twenty years ago)

six months pass...

why is it June 27 2001?
-- Gear! (speed.to.roa...), June 26th, 2001

we've got to warn them!!
-- W i l l (lolomgwt...), June 26th, 2001

^^^^ lol

― ,,, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

http://www.daviddarling.info/images/Time_Tunnel.jpg

― and what, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 14:54 (seventeen years ago)

nine months pass...

lol this thread

― jordy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 30 January 2009 00:26 (sixteen years ago)

Rappers are like Rod Stewart now; they're like a bunch of Liberaces with their gold rims. The Diplomats are just a little bit off key from what others are doing. They seem to be experimenting the most, and they have a real fight mentality. It's the guerilla side of hip-hop."

Maya Arulpragasam, New York Times

huh

― jordy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 30 January 2009 00:27 (sixteen years ago)

lawl

― Mare Street tour guide (Dom Passantino), Friday, 30 January 2009 00:32 (sixteen years ago)

hahahaha what the shit

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 30 January 2009 00:43 (sixteen years ago)

What he DOES offer...is fire.
― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, June 26, 2001 11:01 PM (7 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol i was thinking about this literally yesterday

― some dude, Friday, 30 January 2009 00:50 (sixteen years ago)

btw i need to call bullshit on gear finding purple haze on lp for $2

― jordy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 30 January 2009 00:53 (sixteen years ago)

wtf happened to the time stamps in this thread...

― jordy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 30 January 2009 00:53 (sixteen years ago)

miccio, you had a problem with a song being goofy?!?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, June 27, 2001 3:23 AM (7 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol

― crackers is biters (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 30 January 2009 01:02 (sixteen years ago)

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