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i cant believe greg tates. can anyone love the velvet revolver this much?!?!?

― yeah, Friday, 11 February 2005 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I am awestruck by the number of people that failed to agree w/ me. Everyone - you are all pants.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 11 February 2005 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

That is weird that Greg Tate, longtime writer and author, founder of the Black Rock Coalition, and leader of a Miles Davis inspired band, would submit a ballot with 2 Velvet Revolver songs as singles, and their album as his only "rock" selection for albums.

I don't think it is a petty thing to be puzzled about this. On the other hand, I think he's always liked metal and grunge.

― steve-k, Friday, 11 February 2005 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Everyone - you are all pants.

Same here. Just because an album has a very limited New Zealand-only release doesn't mean I'm the only one who should've voted for it!

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Friday, 11 February 2005 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyone who voted for Green Day...

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 11 February 2005 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

...rulz?

― irrigation can save your people, Friday, 11 February 2005 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

you are all pants
Sorry to veer off topic, but the contemporary expression, according to fashion-world mavens on What Not To Wear & The Runway Project, is "you are all the pant."

― briania (briania), Friday, 11 February 2005 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

holy shit, tate only has two albums on his list that are actually even somewhat good, and one of those was from 2003 (hamilton)

― Josh Love (screamapillar), Friday, 11 February 2005 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i dunno how voting for a band led by a half-black guitarist would seen unspeakable for the co-founder of the BRC.

― miccio (miccio), Friday, 11 February 2005 22:14 (twenty-one years ago)

i think its more to do with the fact that velvet revolver arent that hot.

― splooge (thesplooge), Friday, 11 February 2005 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

if I could have voted just for Slash's solo on the first single I might have.

― miccio (miccio), Friday, 11 February 2005 22:32 (twenty-one years ago)

tate's choices are a bit dissapointing really. i thought hed have picked much more interesting music.

― splooge (thesplooge), Friday, 11 February 2005 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

almost all of them, really.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 11 February 2005 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Anthony, I couldn't even vote for just the second disc of the Pavement reissue!

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 12 February 2005 00:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm dumbfounded by the lack of mention of the last Muse.

Maybe it's sour grapes, but sometimes, these lists seem more like fashion trend reports. Which is a valuable function, but.

― iang, Saturday, 12 February 2005 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, but Muse are on the covers of magazines and on the radio and such. Someone who doesn't like them much (in, presumably, the same way that you don't like a lot of the artists who placed ahead of Muse in the poll) could just as easily say that their coverage in magazines and their radio play is just fashion trend reporting, too.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 12 February 2005 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

"Hey Ya!" as best single of 2004 wtf? (2 ballots, incl G Marcus, hey yr calendar's off man)

― OleM (OleM), Saturday, 12 February 2005 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha, I didn't like until this year either.

― Pete Scholtes, Saturday, 12 February 2005 22:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Well then you should be forced to wait for the reissue! ;)

― OleM (OleM), Saturday, 12 February 2005 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

what is up with the green day love? so baffling to me. honestly.

― owen reading, Saturday, 12 February 2005 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Answer.

BILLIE JOE: Punk sometimes has this defeatist attitude where you can't expand. I look at a band like U2 that started out more or less as a punk band but kept expanding and wound up being one of the biggest bands in the world. And I think it's okay to want that.
MIKE: We saw the Rolling Stones a year and a half ago ... and it was a fuckin' great show. It was awesome. You could tell they were jelling, it just clicked. When I saw that, I was just like, "That's where I want to be."
TRE: That's how long we wanna take this shit.

(from Stereogum)

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 12 February 2005 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Also antibushity must have yielded points; see pj comments...

― OleM (OleM), Saturday, 12 February 2005 22:32 (twenty-one years ago)

That's how long we wanna take this shit.

I love the double meaning here.

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 12 February 2005 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)

triple actually! at least!

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 12 February 2005 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)

A decade and a half, most of which has been in the public eye, is not so bad a start, especially compared to some people. I met Tre a number of times back in 1993 and I'm intrigued that the band has continued on as a unit through quite a bit.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 12 February 2005 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)

The absence of the Muse CD, sort of the Smile of semi-prog-metal-whatever, simply baffles me. It's the most well-executed bombast since Queen's best, the Radiohead thing is history, the band kicks better metal ass than most comers, the melodies are gold standard.

― iang, Sunday, 13 February 2005 03:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Meh... I saw Muse live at Coachella last year and they were forgettable. They're like ersatz Radiohead.

― poortheatre (poortheatre), Sunday, 13 February 2005 03:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Not anymore. Radiohead with three-octace Mendelsohn melodies, production so huge Roy Thomas Baker feels wee in absentia, Sparks-y chord progs, Fripp-y guitar rips, MASIVE wah-wahed power chords to shame pre-shrink metallica, all mixed with the occasional electro cocktail lounge-meets-Rachmaninoff piano solo? And to make the whole thing make linear sense?

Nuh huh. Listen to the CD.

― iang, Sunday, 13 February 2005 08:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw Muse live at Coachella last year and they were forgettable

That's a bit contradictory: you seem to remember'em. ;-)

― stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Sunday, 13 February 2005 09:05 (twenty-one years ago)

So they're like The Darkness of arena-prog, in the studio, anyway? I'll check 'em out. You better be right!

― don, Sunday, 13 February 2005 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

He MIGHT be right. But Muse have always left me cold. Then again keep in mind I seriously think Radiohead so completely work live that wossname in Muse's prowling yowling is just nonsensical. A double bill of that and Rufus Wainwright would be a good way to drive me to put a spike through my ears.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 13 February 2005 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Uh-oh. Rufus W. a name that drops like lead in my head (mostly)

― don, Sunday, 13 February 2005 22:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Nuh huh. Listen to the CD.

fair enough. one of my friends is really into them. i'll ask her for a burn.

― poortheatre (poortheatre), Sunday, 13 February 2005 22:56 (twenty-one years ago)

After hearing "Sung Tongs" for the first time Friday night, anyone who voted for it. (If only I'd read the Phish comparisons earlier...)

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 14 February 2005 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post Wasn't that Green Day interview from EW? Anyway, in the EW interview, the praise for the Stones came after a (diplomatic) dis, where GD was impressed a band could suck one night and be great the next. I've seen the exact same thing with the Stones. I think what Green Day was impressed about was that the Stones cared enough about what they were doing to try harder, when just sleepwalking through another stadium date would have made the fans happy.

Anyway, that Green Day album is great.

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 14 February 2005 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

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