S/D: Backpacker/Indie/Undie/Positive Rap

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There have been threads on the topic, but not an S/D that I can find.

My younger brother just made me an MP3 mix of mostly indie/undie rap, stuff I've shrugged off until now. But I'm trying not to fall into the trap of only liking chart rap either, so I'm really trying to give this all a fair listen. Much of it reaffirms my prejudices; too many unimaginative beats, too many $2 words used to make up for lack of wit and humor, preachiness, etc. But there are some standouts, so far, for reasons good and bad:

J-Live - Satisfied, Them That's Not, Do That Shit: This guy has a strong, smooth vocal delivery, good flow, sounds like he could have made it as a mainstream MC, at least he could have in the 90s. Reminds me a little of Common. Not overly preachy.

Mos Def - Ghetto Rock: I already knew I liked him, but I think he makes records that sound like they could be hits in a parallel universe. I like the dig at DMX, whose records should not be hits anywhere.

De La Soul - Watch Out: I'm a De La fan, but this song (AOI: Bionix) is the first time anything after Stakes is High made me pay attention. Sick sample/beat, classic all-over-the-place rhymes.

MURS - And This is For...: I like his rhyme style, and it's interesting that he decided to tackle the black rapper/increasingly white audience issue, but it's a bit delusional to think race is the only reason his records don't sell as well as Eminem's.

The Roots (various tracks from Phrenology/Tipping Point): Great beats, original production, but the rhymes are deadly boring. They should just become a full-time house band, like the MGs of hip-hop.

Canibal Ox - Pigeon: I really wrote these guys off the first time I heard their album, but this track on its own on my iPod is great. The lyrics are strange but amusing -- sort of like an acid-trip version of some of the lesser wu-tang mcs. The beat is great atmosphere in a DJ Shadow sort of way.

Duds include: Hieroglyphics, Souls of Mischief, Blasphamis, Talib Kweli, and ESPECIALLY Aesop Rock.

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 07:26 (twenty-one years ago)

if you're gonna include De La, pls include their contemporaries, not only their descendents.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 07:28 (twenty-one years ago)

ps For the S/D, I'm more interested in relatively recent stuff, not, say Tribe in its heyday (when positive rap was actually charting)

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 07:29 (twenty-one years ago)

To be clear, Stence, I was just naming tracks I like off the mix he made me. Of course there's a lot of older *positive* hip-hop I like.

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 07:29 (twenty-one years ago)

hmm, well i'd still argue against including de la then (even if their new shit is good).

xpost - oh. nevermind.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 07:30 (twenty-one years ago)

For destroy, I'd also like to nominate: Themselves, Slum Village, Cee Lo.

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 07:35 (twenty-one years ago)

search: DALEK

― latebloomer: HE WHOM DUELS THE DRAFGON IN ENDLESS DANCE (latebloomer), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 07:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Hieroglyphics, Souls of Mischief, Blasphamis, Talib Kweli, and ESPECIALLY Aesop Rock.
For destroy, I'd also like to nominate: Themselves, Slum Village, Cee Lo.

I'll tackle these one at a time.

Heiro dont have a classic album or anything but "You Never Know" and "Dune Methane" and that song that samples the Taxi theme are all great...there are a bunch of great tracks on Third Eye Vision (I also like "Oakland Blackouts" and a couple of other tracks i can't think of off the top of my head). Their mid-90s stuff is peak material, back in that west coast laid back smoked-out sampling non-gangsta tip. Avoid recent stuff, for the most part (although i still like del from time to time)

Souls of Mischief - Donno what you heard, but '93 til infinity is one of my favorite rap albums and sports one of the all-time best title tracks EVAH.

I have no idea who Blasphemis is.

Talib Kweli - not really a big fan. I like some stuff on the black star album ("Respiration," "Thieves in the Night," "Brown SKinned Lady,"), the stuff when he sounded hungry even though he was corny and off the beat it worked. "The Blast" is a pretty cool song. "Get By" is a banger. "Good To You" has a nice kanye beat...um....thats about it.

Aesop Rock - I sense something of a hypocrisy (haha, hiphoprisy! disposable cornballs) when ppl will love ghostface's occasional nonsensical rhymes for their avant-art qualities and then hate on Aesop for the same - not that Aesop is anywhere on Ghost's level, but I always got the impression that Ghost was a big influence on him. He does come across, I suppose, as this psuedo-intellectual literary blah a lot of the time. But I like when he sounds dirty and new york like on "Panorama 2b" or whatever its called, or on tracks like "Skip Town." His best track is "Daylight," and I always liked "No Regrets." Call them corny collegiate literati psued bullshit if you want, but I like them in spite of this. No GREAT albums, methinks. Lots of worthwhile moments though.

Themselves - I couldn't give less of a shit about these dudes. Boring.

Slum V. - ditto. Everyone tells me about the brilliance of jay dee's production. I don't hear it. I hear annoying snares and neo-soul cheese.

Cee-Lo - Classic classic classic! If only for Goodie Mob. He has some good stuff on his solo albums, although they can be bogged down in andre 3000-isms. He's also great on the new trick daddy single.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 07:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the whole Cannibal Ox album is killer. I've been curious about MURS, what's the production like?

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 07:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I like a few of the Black Star cuts too, but mainly for Mos Def and the beats.

With Aesop Rock it's largely just the voice and tone I can't stand ("I can't stop saying smart things!"). He's like Paul Barman without the humor, which is basically all that makes Paul Barman.

MURS -- I have three tracks. The production is ok, but it's pretty much old-hat. One thing that pisses me off about so much undie rap is that it often sounds like an approximation of what chart rap was doing 5-10 years ago and then has the nerve act like chart rap is unimaginative. It's all Boom/pop/b-boom/pop, or boom/pop/b-boom boom/pop with a two-bar soul sample.

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 07:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I like lots of roots stuff, particularly circa do you want more?!, "Silent Treatment" is classic, "U Got Me" is great, i donno they have a fun live show. "Water" was a cool song.

Cannibal Ox is one of my fav albums evah.

Murs sounds a lot like a rapper named Aceyalone as far as his flow etc is concerned, although they have v. different lyrical styles. Murs has been working w/ 9th wonder (his last album was all 9th wonder produced)

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 07:53 (twenty-one years ago)

hurting, souls of mis. and hiero's best stuff is like 10+ years old now. When it came out it sounded like lots of rap of the time (which is to say great)

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 07:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Water (Roots) is a pretty hot song.

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 07:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Aesop Rock - Labor Days is classic. I don't think there's a single dud on it (but it's been about two year since I've listened to it all the way through). But tracks like "Daylight" (and the awesome, sinister flip-side "Nightlight" on whatever EP that was, I guess it was called Daylight) and "Battery" are enough to make it gold.

The Cold Vein is almost flawless. One of my favorite rap albums ever. It would have been better if Vordul and El-P had chilled out on their vocal contributions, though.

I agree about '93 til Infinity being clutch, although I don't own it, so I shouldn't speak authoritatively. the title track is unbelievable.

Haven't heard Dalek. Need to, though.

I love both Black Star and Black on Both Sides but I can see why people wouldn't.

Sage Francis used to be the sickest bastard on the mic, but he kind of bugs me now. Those (formerly) tour-only LPs (Sick of Waiting Tables, etc.) are some of the most under-rated hip-hop albums of the decade... well, actually just one or two of them.

Blackalicious.............. you know, i do love them. why did I sell all my copies of their albums? i think it was related to the collaboration with Zac de la Rocha.

What happened to The Arsonists? I loved all that pyromaniax crap. does anyone know, "Lunch-room Takeout?" I think I still have the whole thing memorized.

And is Sole still rapping? I used to love Bottle of Humans to death, but i kind of doubt I would these days. "Prosperities" is still rowdy. I swear that he was the first rapper to say, "The only competition I know / Is battlin' my echo."

Murs, Blueprint, Soul Position, Brother Ali all have stellar moments, but really nothing to get excited about. (Murs "I hate your boyfriend" is CLASSIC.)

Anyone remember Binary Star? Their album Masters of the Universe was decent, but two songs on it, "Honest Expression," and Track 1 are CLASSIC CLASSIC CLASSIC. Download this instant.

You know what else is hot? Black Eyed Peas - Behind the Front.. they fell of MAJORLY.

Oh yea, and now for the most under-rated hip-hop album of this decade: Atmosphere - Overcast! So classic. Better than Lucy Ford (and Destroy anything after the latter of course). If you don't believe me, download: "Clay," "Scapegoat," and "Sound is Vibration." Holy shit. What happened to you, Slug? Speaking of disappointments: Eyedea. Some MCs should just stick to battling.

Okay, I'm done. Sorry to take up so much space. It's just I kind of dissed my undie hip-hop roots for all this indie rock crap and it all surged up all of a sudden haha

― poortheatre (poortheatre), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 08:11 (twenty-one years ago)

poortheatre = MC White-Out (1999 - 2001)

― poortheatre (poortheatre), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 08:14 (twenty-one years ago)

That Aesop-Blueprint song "Alchemy" is pretty raw shit.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 08:16 (twenty-one years ago)

i forgot about that.

"I make a sad music fan / Appreciate rap again,
Fuck around and forget just how wack it's been.
(Blah-blah-blah) / Body slam boulders,
And take flight with the weight of the world on my shoudlers!"

oh hell yea.

― poortheatre (poortheatre), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 08:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Fantastic Damage is great and I like El-P's rapping. I know that's not a popular stance around here but whatever. "Writin' raps in my room sippin' capri suns in fact/ studied the cadences of kool moe dee and ric/ put my names in they raps and then practiced it." I don't get the pretentious feeling from him at ALL - i can understand it when ppl say it about aesop rock but i'm just sort of "whu?" when ppl say it about el-p.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 08:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Gift Of Gab - 4th Dimensional Rocketships Going Up

This is a great one. I guess its the first solo record from the Blackalicious cat. One of these songs is in a new commercial. I think its Diet Coke. Jake One does a lot of beats on here and I think he's one of the best new producers.

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 11:36 (twenty-one years ago)

For destroy, I'd also like to nominate: Cee Lo.

Why? I quite like his album.

I absolutely love Fantastic Damage. More so than the CanOx stuff. My husband understands why but disagrees.

― stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 11:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I used to like Blackalicious but haven't pulled out those CDs since they came out. I still like the song "Sleep" though.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 12:10 (twenty-one years ago)

MF DOOM!! anything he touches. plus Sage Francis, i think his new one is very good, awesome rhymes. that's all i have to say.

― fsharp (fsharp), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 12:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Buck 65 - Synesthesia, Manoverboard and to a lesser extent Talkin' Honky Blues.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

myfavorite el-p track was the one that sounded like drugs, "Lazerface's warning" or whatever.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Dalek's newest (Absence) is ace, really thick and dense as expected, but not nearly as turgid as many people would have you think (don't get thrown off b/c he's associated with Mike Patton and that crew), these songs really do groove and they're quite focused despite the looooong running times.

Buck 65 seconded also - Vertex is classic, the new one's a nice overview

Mr. Lif's I, Phantom is a pretty good one that's not been mentioned, when he stays on point he can be great.

Oh yeah, and Immortal Technique, I don't know if he really falls into this camp b/c he's not in ANY conceivable stretch of the imagination "positive," but he's fucking FIERCE on the mic and he's underground, so check it out.

― Josh Love (screamapillar), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

my favorite lif track is that el-p one from the emergency rations EP, its pretty fancy.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

It warms my heart to see this thread get this far without devolving into total retardation. Anyway:

SEARCH:
Fantastic Damage: Said it before, I'll say it again: Production-wise this reminds me of Master of Reality meets Replicas meets 6 Feet Deep. Fits his I-yell-at-you flow well, and there's lots of near-subliminal lyrical brilliance that doesn't unfurl until like the tenth listen.

Cold Vein: It pisses me off that they've semi-broken up and not-so-semi-fallen off. Total masterwork; they played off each other really well and Vast Aire's nyeah-nyeah cadence is more unstably menacing here than it would ever be at any points later.

Bazooka Tooth: Aes is a bit denser and more confusing and look-I'm-on-Def-Jux but he's got better one-liners -- the bit on "Babies With Guns" about being justified by the size of your Jesus piece just murders, and there's better thematic cuts ("Cook It Up"; "11:35"). And fuck it, I still like "We're Famous".

To Tha X-Treme: I guess you could call it "positive rap", since weed & sex are positive things ha ha.

Anything MF Doom released in 2004: Ain't a homily out there he can't rhyme with something completely unexpected but fitting. Makes non-sequitirs feel like the most logical shit ever.

DESTROY:
Specifically? Don't know. But there's a ton of MCs, usually Bay Area or non-NYC-East Coast types, that still use warmed-over Primo/Heiro beats and fail to be funny, shocking or in possession of any sort of personality whatsoever.

― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't know. But there's a ton of MCs, usually Bay Area or non-NYC-East Coast types, that still use warmed-over Primo/Heiro beats and fail to be funny, shocking or in possession of any sort of personality whatsoever.

do you mean Dilated Peoples?!

― Tito JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 18:02 (twenty-one years ago)

i think i'll be the only one to stand up for Slum Village / Jay Dee. jay dee is one of my favorite artists. slum released some amazing albums (j88 and fantastic vol2), a decent album (Trinity), and a couple of mediocre albums with some great songs (dirty district, detroit deli)

Jay Dee a.k.a. Dilla a.k.a. James Yancey - c/d

― Tito JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Absolutely positively NEED to listen these tracks, at least just once:

De La Soul w/ MF Doom "Rock Co. Kane Flow"
Mixmaster Mike w/ Gift of Gab & Lateef the Truthspeaker "Kalakuta Show" (from that Fela tribute CD)
Diverse w/ Lyrics Born & RJD2 "Explosive"
Cee-Lo "Big Words (Damn!)"
Lifesavas "Hellohihey"
Talib Kweli w/ Michelle Williams "Lonely People"
Chamillionaire & Paul Wall "My Money Gets Jealous"

― known vaginatarian (nickalicious), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I wouldn't call Chamillionaire "backpacker" though now that I think about it haha.

― known vaginatarian (nickalicious), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

If even just ONE of those tracks, listen to the De La/MF Doom one. It's one of the most jaw-droppingly out-of-nowhere surprises I've come across in my whole LIFE.

― known vaginatarian (nickalicious), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Also S:
Princess Superstar "Wet Wet Wet"
Heiroglyphics "Let It Roll" (is the sample in this from Bjork "Human Behavior"!?!?)
Madvillain "Figaro"

― known vaginatarian (nickalicious), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Dilated Peoples are death-defyingly bland. It makes me sad for Babu.

― known vaginatarian (nickalicious), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 18:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Meanwhile, DJ Babu's Duck Season compilations are both kickass.

― known vaginatarian (nickalicious), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 18:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha yes, Dilated Peoples fall under that category. Oof.

― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

the only thing they get points for is sampling William Bell's "I Hate I Walked Away"

one of my favorite songs of all time.

― Tito JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I never have heard anyone mention Burnt Batch's 'Produce Aisle' LP. Maybe I'm the only person who actually has it - i don't even think it came out on cd. Haven't listened to it in ages but I remember loving it (came out in '99, I think). One guy, Pismo, doing all the beats, rhymes, and cuts.

― ()ops (()()ps), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I also came to defend Jay Dee and the Slum Village. Fantastic Vol. 2 is still my favorite record thats been mentioned on this thread. Its a fun record to listen to - something I can't say for most of this indie-rap stuff.

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I like it, too, and I don't think there's a bit of neo-soul cheese in it (something which I CANNOT STAND)

I googled Burnt Batch, and one of the few results returned was me, saying the same thing on another thread.

― ()ops (()()ps), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

DESTROY: Visionaries
not even competent on a technical level

― tremendoid (tremendoid), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

ugh yeah. theirs was one of the worst hip hop albums i've heard.
S: the beat junkies mixes, vol 1 and 2

― ()ops (()()ps), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

The only real problem with Dilated is Evidence. Rakaa is hot. Babu is hot. Evidence has blackmail materials or something is all I can figure.

― Austin (Austin), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)

hahahaha

― known vaginatarian (nickalicious), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember the first time I heard Visionaries, this dude Shamus was really drunk and was just like "COULD THEY BE ANY LESS APPROPRIATELY NAMED?".

― known vaginatarian (nickalicious), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

...hence his name!

― Austin (Austin), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)

HAHAHAHAHA

― known vaginatarian (nickalicious), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyway, for some new and very underrated stuff in this style, try Azeem, Show Business.

Despite being released on bombhiphop, neither sandbox nor hhs stock this record, which has to be some kind of new standard for sleeping on dope shit.

― Austin (Austin), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

S: Jean Grae, The Bootleg of the Bootleg EP (six tracks+45 minutes of old songs, esp. search "Hater's Anthem" and whatever the one that uses Nas's "Purple" beat), the new album was kind of bland. Also, search "Taco Day" on the Mr. Len album, a 9-minute school-shooting odyssey.

S: Murs, "Walk Like A Man" off the 9th Wonder album, "Last Night" off The End of the Beginning

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

i haven't heard any of the Murs/9th wonder stuff, but i absolutely hated the album of his on DefJux. it was so nerdy

speaking of 9th Wonder, i really like the Little Brother album. but i would because it sounds like Jay Dee and Mos Def

― Tito JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Here's another vote for The Roots' "Water", and their earlier stuff, but Things Fall Apart is really their masterpiece, and not for "You Got Me". S: The Next Movement, Double Trouble, Love of My Life, 100% Dundee.

Common? I don't get him.

― Vornado (Vornado), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:08 (twenty-one years ago)

the roots pre-phrenology are still hit-and-miss but much better overall. J-Live is a really great rapper, though his beats could sometimes be improved. djdee OTM about which hiero/souls songs to search. Immortal Technique is awesome. He sounds like Death Certificate-era Ice Cube but with more funny and less racism.

EL-P/Aesop rock/Cannibal OX do in fact suck balls, on the other hand. Furthermore, you are all gay.

― Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Evidence has made some good beats. That's the extent to which I can defend him.

― ()ops (()()ps), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Furthermore, you are all gay.

If you mean as an acronym for "giggling at you", then yeah, I'm gay as fuck, cornball.

― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Common was great up until and including "Like Water for Chocolate" (although that album was sometimes a tad cheese, for the most part it was a great accomplishment, I think. Electric Circus was just blah.)

Shmool is of course wrong about el-p/cannibal ox ;)

Also, can we stop the "its different, not boring like MOST indie rap" shit? I think this thread has established that indie rap has shit worth listening to and its just as dismissive in my mind as the whole "other than outkast, the mainstream...." bullshit.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 01:44 (twenty-one years ago)

the Subtle album is better than the Themselves album, fwiw.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 02:35 (twenty-one years ago)

giggling at me as fuck? ;)

― Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 02:56 (twenty-one years ago)

i like the first black eyed peas album!

― charleston charge (chaki), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 03:20 (twenty-one years ago)

fine, "gay like a motherfucker", then. The semantics of mocking you shouldn't be so damn convoluted, 'specially as how you're pretty much nobody.

― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 03:58 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry for intruding, your highness

― Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 08:59 (twenty-one years ago)

the phrase 'U R all gay' was not meant as a personal insult, for fuck's sake.

― Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)

That first Black Eyed Peas album is REALLY great, although a bit dated (the OH NO HERE COMES Y2K track, MACY GREY, etc). But "Fallin' Up" and "Que Dices" and "That's The Joint" are all totally fucking classic.

― known vaginatarian (nickalicious), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

OH SHIT, JEAN GRAE FOR REAL. "Hater's Anthem" is GLORIOUS.

― known vaginatarian (nickalicious), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

She's a good lyricist, but I think her voice lacks character. You know, the same thing a lot of peops lay on Common.

― Austin (Austin), Thursday, 17 February 2005 05:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Common's voice lacks character? I donno about that.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 17 February 2005 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not one of those some, but surely you've heard the accusation before.

― Austin (Austin), Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyway, to repeat:

Azeem has what you need. Seek out his record, "Show Business." It will rock you.

Also, I downloaded the Perceptionists record last night and it will rock you nice and good.

― Austin (Austin), Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm not really that into mf doom but i think his beats really shine on "special blends vol 1+2", especially his version of stephanie mills' "a rush on me". i guess that's more like undie r&b.

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 17 February 2005 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

does not anyone like Jurassic 5, y'all, they take rap BACK to where it SHOULD be

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Thursday, 17 February 2005 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I am joking.

I really think that Murs/9th Wonder LP is great. I'm going to check out Immortal Technique now.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Thursday, 17 February 2005 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Quasimoto, The Unseen.

― s>c>, Thursday, 17 February 2005 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

re: Perceptionists - track 2, "People 4 Prez"

Goddamn that's funky.

― Austin (Austin), Thursday, 17 February 2005 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Everything I've heard by Immortal Technique is magnificent, can anybody suggest a specific track or three of his?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 17 February 2005 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude I've only heard one track by I.T. (and I got it on Audiogalaxy, so obviously its an older one.)

It's called "Dance With the Devil" and is the reason I've never sought out anything else by him. Why don't YOU suggest a specific track or three?

― Austin (Austin), Thursday, 17 February 2005 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Cuz I don't know the names of any of his stuff dude!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 17 February 2005 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Am I the only motherfucker on the planet who likes Electric Circus?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 17 February 2005 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Fuck no. but "...One Day It'll All Make Sense" is still his masterpiece.

― Austin (Austin), Thursday, 17 February 2005 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Perceptionists Track 10 - "Career Finders" featuring Humpty Hump

Goddamn genius!

― Austin (Austin), Thursday, 17 February 2005 21:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought Common got slagged for being a hippie.

I can see where you're coming from on Grae (and if she could vary her voice a little more in each track the results would be incredible) but her material still works. Maybe the monotone quality is why she works best on angry/battle tracks ("Hater's Anthem") and the more upbeat/positive songs (the last album) are just meh.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 17 February 2005 22:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm too lazy to transcribe Taco Day, so here's an MP3 for people who haven't heard it:
http://www.celluloidpropaganda.com/mrlenjeangrae-tacoday.mp3

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 17 February 2005 22:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd much much rather hear Resurrection than One Day.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 17 February 2005 23:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd probably wanna hear Penny for Your Thoughts instead of One Day

― ()ops (()()ps), Thursday, 17 February 2005 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

common hates gays

― charleston charge (chaki), Thursday, 17 February 2005 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

How could I judge him? Had to accept him if I truly loved him.

― JoB (JoB), Friday, 18 February 2005 00:43 (twenty-one years ago)

ownded.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 18 February 2005 00:55 (twenty-one years ago)

FUCK YES to The Unseen

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Friday, 18 February 2005 01:05 (twenty-one years ago)

The Juggaknots album is quite great

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 18 February 2005 01:07 (twenty-one years ago)

djdee have you heard jay dee's bbe album?

xpost seconded. forgot about that one.

― ()ops (()()ps), Friday, 18 February 2005 01:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I have not, although I should check it out sometime.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 18 February 2005 01:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Everything I've heard by Immortal Technique is magnificent, can anybody suggest a specific track or three of his?
-- nickalicious (nickaliciou...), February 17th, 2005 12:49 PM. (nickalicious)

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Dude I've only heard one track by I.T. (and I got it on Audiogalaxy, so obviously its an older one.)
It's called "Dance With the Devil" and is the reason I've never sought out anything else by him. Why don't YOU suggest a specific track or three?

-- Austin (austin.swinbur...), February 17th, 2005 1:10 PM. (Austin)

I saw him do Dance with the Devil live, and I liked it, but I could see how it could turn someone off.

Search: almost anything off Revolutionary Vol. 2, but in partiular Crossing the Boundary, Freedom of Speech, You Never Know (liner notes include genius Common diss "this song is not a metaphor for hip-hop"), Industrial Revolution.

― Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Friday, 18 February 2005 03:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe I should do a top 100 Immortal Tech quotables this weekend.

― Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Friday, 18 February 2005 03:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I like that Non-Prophets record. Now that everyone is currently bashing on Sage in the other thread I thought I should mention it. Good times.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 18 February 2005 03:52 (twenty-one years ago)

The more I listen to MURS, the more I almost like him, the more I want to like him. But complaining about who your audience is, or why your records aren't selling well enough is lame. Vox populi vox dei, dude.

― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 18 February 2005 05:36 (twenty-one years ago)

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