was de la soul's 3 feet high and rising a psychedelic hip hop album?

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was it *really* psych-hip hopa a lot of critics are wont to say?

thesabbath, Tuesday, 15 February 2005 10:58 (twenty years ago)

it seemed like there was a huge WTF-ness to it that no other hip-hop at the time possessed. the 'psychedelic' connotations stem more from the 'daisy age'/love vibe theme perhaps. the interludes like 'transmitting live from mars' just have that fantastic 'what the hell is going on' factor amongst the general wacky backdrop.

Stevem....Has Dandruff (blueski), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 11:11 (twenty years ago)

Not psychedelic hip-hop. Great record though.

I think Shadow and Madlib have done some shit that might border on psychedelic. Maybe Timbaland too.

Johnny Badlees Needs A Haircut (crispssssss), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 11:29 (twenty years ago)

would you say its a melange of psych and hip hop then, if not actual psych-rap? i think a lot of the samples or the collages are psych-ish.

thesabbath, Tuesday, 15 February 2005 11:39 (twenty years ago)

adj 1: producing distorted sensory perceptions and feelings or altered states of awareness or sometimes states resembling psychosis; "psychedelic drugs like psilocybin and mescaline" 2: having the vivid colors and bizarre patterns associated with psychedelic states; "a psychedelic painting" 3: of a mental state characterized by intense and distorted perceptions and hallucinations and feelings of euphoria or sometimes despair; "a psychedelic experience"

...I think De La Soul (and Prince Paul!) were just very imaginative.

JoB (JoB), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 11:45 (twenty years ago)

To me the closest things would be Jenifa, Potholes, Say No Go, Tread Water, that 8th track... and they still don't strike me as really psychedelic. I can hear something on Buhloone Mindstate being more psychedelic than anything here.

I've never heard of psych-rap either.

Johnny Badlees What Are You Producin'?? (crispssssss), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 11:51 (twenty years ago)

i liked the skits and that "turtles" sample

kik nershaw, Tuesday, 15 February 2005 12:03 (twenty years ago)

3-6 mafia screwed and chopped is pretty psychadelic, and probably has a lot more to do with drugs.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 12:08 (twenty years ago)

More like an indie rock rap album -- hip-hop for Pixies fans. Docked further notches for inaugurating the lame tradition of "skits" and lazily coasting on its samples. And the rappers' tags were weak, too.

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

chopped and screwed is like psych hip hop, not in earnest though. but its the equivalent.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)

Try Digable planets---BLOWOUT COMB LSD baby
Justin Warfield---

dryhump, Tuesday, 15 February 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

teaching mark s a *LESSON* response two: DE LA SOUL

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

i'd go to kool keith, anticon and deltron 3030, if i'd like to get psyched up.

Jay-Kid (Jay-Kid), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

Don't forget about Doctor Octagonecologist! That is some screwed-up crazy-assed hip-hop shit!

Also, Basehead Play with Toys. Stoned doesn't begin to describe it.

ffirehorse, Tuesday, 15 February 2005 22:11 (twenty years ago)

try jungle brothers unreleased CrazyWisdomMasters album. absolutely psychedelic. sandboxautomatic might still have some audio clips up, either under J or C.

natlawdp, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)

That Basehead album is an utter classic.

Without wanting to enter the backpacker trenches, the first cLOUDDEAD album is way psychedelic.

Speedhump Bungle (noodle vague), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 22:55 (twenty years ago)

when does crazy, wacky, weird, and bugged out become = psychedelic? i dont think 3 feet is psych really. they dissed rock and roll on the very first track, the magic number (while sampling some rock, i know but even so...)

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Thursday, 17 February 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

who did "pop goes the weasal and the weasal goes pop"

La Camilla Henemark, Thursday, 17 February 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

3rd bass.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Thursday, 17 February 2005 12:32 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

trying to put together a psychedelic hip hop mix cd, so far ive got

blue flowers - dr octagon
i told you - biz markie
the sun - ghostface

can anyone suggest any more?

vain_bowers, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 09:38 (sixteen years ago)

Wear your love like heaven - Definition of Sound

Lots of the stuff around in the 'baggy' years could qualify.

Mark G, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 09:45 (sixteen years ago)

a few tracks from my trip to planet 9 by pre synths-n-moods justin warfield would fit well i think.
"live from the opium den" being an obvious choice ..

mark e, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 10:01 (sixteen years ago)

http://images24.fotosik.pl/154/8ce6d0974e512373.jpg

hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 15:31 (sixteen years ago)

that edan album fits exactly what i'm looking for, only hip hop ive ever heard to sample the small faces, although im sure ive seen 'the journey' crop up on some kind of ultimate breaks & beats style compilation

vain_bowers, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 15:42 (sixteen years ago)

pharcyde - drop? esp. at the end

Timezilla vs Mechadistance (blueski), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 15:44 (sixteen years ago)

justin warfield
araknophobix' telephatic ambush... although most of it can just be lumped in with "sci-fi hip-hop" which doesn't seem to wholly separate from psych anyway

fauxmarc, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 20:55 (sixteen years ago)

Killah Priest Heavy Mental

Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 21:10 (sixteen years ago)

the word 'psychedelic' has almost no meaning (to me at least) anymore. it seems to get wheeled out so often im not sure what people mean when its applied to describe most modern music.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 21:12 (sixteen years ago)

thx 4 the info!

jihad¯\㋡/¯ (ice cr?m), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 21:13 (sixteen years ago)

xpost - other semi psych rap = organized konfusions stress album and maybe the boogie monsters too.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 21:16 (sixteen years ago)

Rubberroom

hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 21:17 (sixteen years ago)

there's also these chilean kids i've been hyping, ceaese hiperkinetiko - the beats on their album "planeta mutante" just head off elsewhere at times, it's like if timbo + the neptunes were in a spanish speaking bone thugs. on first site they just come off a some typical blog house / nu rave / whatev kids but might want to check.

http://www.myspace.com/ceaese

chile's actually kind of a hotbed... might want to check out some of the selections on tonossepia's recent mixes

http://www.neurotyka.cl/en/2008/12/tonossepia-soledad_sonora/
http://www.neurotyka.cl/2008/12/mixtape-2/

fauxmarc, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 21:29 (sixteen years ago)

killah priest?!?

opinions4usic (deej), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 23:04 (sixteen years ago)

see if you can find the title track to Heavy Mental

Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 23:31 (sixteen years ago)

Lil Wayne - I Feel Like Dying

james k polk, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 23:35 (sixteen years ago)

I know, all over this thread, but should be repeated.

The center of psyche-Hip-Hop is Justin Warfield, circa 1993:


Also, Justin's appearance on this:
Bomb The Bass - Bug Powder Dust (La Funk Mob Mix)

Are men ever friends with a woman without wanting two boners? (PappaWheelie V), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 23:37 (sixteen years ago)

New Kingdom, of course

New Kingdom - Cheap Thrills (video version)

Are men ever friends with a woman without wanting two boners? (PappaWheelie V), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 23:40 (sixteen years ago)

no divine styler?

subroc back to haunt, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 23:43 (sixteen years ago)

And yeah, Jungle Brothers abandoned Crazy Wisdom Masters (which some highlights appear on J Beez with the Remedy). Portions of that album are barely hip-hop...just noise.

Specifically, the two tracks you need are JB's Comin' Through linked to Spittin' Wicked Randomness.

These two tracks remain my benchmark for how far hip-hop can go and still affect me in a good way.

(no youtube available - an early, completely different, non-psyche version of Comin' Through is on youtube)

xp Yeah, Divine Styler, Ned's friend and lover. His 2nd album is crazy. Maybe too crazy for me.

Same for New Kingdom's 2nd album. Too far gone.

Are men ever friends with a woman without wanting two boners? (PappaWheelie V), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 23:50 (sixteen years ago)

i saw new kingdom live once, man they were great

ie: BANGING (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 23:52 (sixteen years ago)

X-Clan had some trippy almost proggy tracks on their breakthrough record.

Also, Son Of A Bazerk may have had a psychedelic groove at some point.

(*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・)   °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 23:53 (sixteen years ago)

maybe some Deltron.

carne asada, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 23:57 (sixteen years ago)

cann ox maybe?

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 00:00 (sixteen years ago)

Volume 10-sunbeams

carne asada, Wednesday, 7 January 2009 00:00 (sixteen years ago)

I wonder how much Dream Warriors, PM Dawn, and hell, some Beastie Boys are requested here...

I mean, MCA's distorted, distant vocal in Car Thief were the first time I thought "am I on drugs?" while listening to Hip-Hop. I think the working title was "DUST JOINT" on the demos, right?

First time I thought am I on drugs watching a video was PM Dawn's Plastic (which oddly, I haven't seen since it aired in 1993, so maybe I WAS on drugs!)

The best PM Dawn that hasn't aged horribly isn't on youtube (Personal Gravity, Non-Fiction Burning with Flora Purim, etc)

Some PM Dawn contenders-maybe-not since they aren't too rappy, and more so, so damned dated:

Downtown Venus

You Got Me Floatin' (trubute to Hendrix)

Paper Doll

Are men ever friends with a woman without wanting two boners? (PappaWheelie V), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 00:16 (sixteen years ago)

Maybe "Table of Contents" by The Roots from Things Fall Apart.

Not a Sixtoo fan, but I do have his track "Sultry", and it would work.

Are men ever friends with a woman without wanting two boners? (PappaWheelie V), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 00:18 (sixteen years ago)

that Edan album is fucking great btw

There was even a brief period when I preferred Sally Forth. (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 00:39 (sixteen years ago)

what with all the name checking for new kingdom, justin warfield and the jungle brothers (and perhaps pm dawn ??), you'd think that scott harding was the main man for a while back there given that he is on the production credits for each of them.
in which case, lets mention his own solo joint : kill dog-e that was released on wordsound.
not exactly psyche, but in a very similar corner as the new kingdom stuff, though a little more tough.

mark e, Wednesday, 7 January 2009 01:09 (sixteen years ago)

sensational was *kind* of psych-rap-ish.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 01:23 (sixteen years ago)

sensational was all over crazy wisdom masters /jay beez w/the remedy

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 7 January 2009 01:31 (sixteen years ago)

the volume 10 track up there is some wack remix, so no.

carne asada, Wednesday, 7 January 2009 01:38 (sixteen years ago)

UMCs "Never Never Land"
Paul's Boutique, obviously

There was even a brief period when I preferred Sally Forth. (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 16:42 (sixteen years ago)

jay beez w/the remedy

^^^this album is also amazing. lost classic

There was even a brief period when I preferred Sally Forth. (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 16:44 (sixteen years ago)

that sensational album is great

ie: BANGING (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 17:05 (sixteen years ago)

he almost had a sorta cough syrup vibe but totally different than a screw type cough syrup vibe

ie: BANGING (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 17:05 (sixteen years ago)

he was the quietest rapper ever too.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 18:07 (sixteen years ago)

no offense to all the well-meaning folks on this thread but there's some truly terrible music being mentioned here! perhaps "psychedelic hip hop" is just...not a good thing?

admrl, Friday, 9 January 2009 05:14 (sixteen years ago)

six months pass...

I can't believe I've taken this long to finally get the Crazy Wisdom Masters boot. Kinda O_o

PappaWheelie V, Sunday, 12 July 2009 20:34 (sixteen years ago)

Good Crazy Wisdom Masters info:

http://unheard78.blogspot.com/2009/06/jungle-brothers-crazy-wisdom-masters.html
http://musichertz.blogspot.com/2008/08/crazy-wisdom-masters-payback-10-ep.html

My collected tracklist thus far

Troopin' On The Down Lo
Battle Show
Blahbludify
Good Ole Hype Shit
Hedz at Kompany Z
Man Made Material
Peace Akhi
Play To Win (From The Jungle Approach)
Ra Ra Kid
Simple As That (orig. Laswell mix)
Spittin' Wicked Randomness (JB's Comin' Through)

PappaWheelie V, Saturday, 18 July 2009 14:36 (sixteen years ago)

baby bam lives near me! i had no idea. i want to sell his dvd in my record store. great interview here:

http://www.valleyadvocate.com/article.cfm?aid=10044

scott seward, Saturday, 18 July 2009 14:46 (sixteen years ago)

he's into paganism. same here!

scott seward, Saturday, 18 July 2009 14:47 (sixteen years ago)

Supposedly, he was the driving force behind much of this, and some of the instrumental tracks are all him. Still digging on this...

I did interview him around the release of Raw Deluxe, and I gushed about Spittin' Wicked Randomness upon meeting him, but at that time, I really was unaware of the CWM back story to even bring it up.

PappaWheelie V, Saturday, 18 July 2009 14:51 (sixteen years ago)

hey pappa! that stuff sounds cool. thx

I'm a Matt...I'm a DC (M@tt He1ges0n), Saturday, 18 July 2009 16:41 (sixteen years ago)

two years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS3i2fOQ3iM

███★★★███ (PappaWheelie V), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:04 (fourteen years ago)

New one to me, nice. Reminded me of Beefheart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zS24izhfRM&feature=related

Prostetnic Vogon Limbaugh (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:08 (fourteen years ago)

Divine Styler's 2nd goes too far off the map for me in places but when it's still recognisably hip hop it's astonishing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B179i79LtkA&feature=related

Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:57 (fourteen years ago)

yeah I thought I would like that Divine Styler record but uh most of it is kind of grating

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 6 October 2011 16:03 (fourteen years ago)

saw New Kingdom in a small club with about 15 ppl in it around the time their 2nd album came out, unreal energy

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 6 October 2011 17:05 (fourteen years ago)

Too much spoken word on the Divine Styler record. If you can rap, why would you waste time on spoken word? And if you can ride a beat like you do on Grey Matter why twat about with sub-Hendrix guitar solos? Too many obvious signifiers of psychedelia, not enough assimilation.

Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Thursday, 6 October 2011 17:14 (fourteen years ago)

The Divine Styler is basically the most #based album ever.

turfin' bird (The Reverend), Thursday, 6 October 2011 20:39 (fourteen years ago)

one year passes...

Holy crap.

https://soundcloud.com/ninja-tune/solid-steel-radio-show-24-5-1

pplains, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 18:36 (twelve years ago)

cool!

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 18:56 (twelve years ago)

wau

the late great, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 19:00 (twelve years ago)

Finally got around to listening to that mix yesterday. Soooo awesome, never would have seen it if it weren't linked itt. Thanks.

2 huxtables and a sousaphone (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 6 June 2013 15:58 (twelve years ago)


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