Box Set Etiquette - how to listen?

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Not sure if this has been asked before, if so then I apologise.

I've just bought the Magazine 3 CD boxed set, knowing little of them beyond "Shot by both sides". Because of this I'm playing each CD individually for a week at a time so I get some kind of perspective of progress and learn to love them bit by bit. So far I love it, incidentally, even though it's probably not the best way to discover their music.

Anyway, this set me wondering, is there a preferred way to listen to boxed sets - all in one sitting? One disc per week? Chuck them all onto an iPod and hit 'shuffle'?

Any thoughts out there?

Rob M (Rob M), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Depends on the set. Something like the Miles Davis Complete Live At The Plugged Nickel 1965, in which each disc is a complete concert, you should just listen to each disc by itself and figure out which ones you like best (for me, it's Disc 6, because of the 20-minute version of "No Blues"). Something like the Charlie Parker Complete Savoy & Dial Studio Recordings, you should just shuffle (once you've gone through and culled out all the 20-second false starts, of course).

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Depends on how the box set's laid out. The Police boxset (which I loved, then hated, then loved, then REALLY hated, then sold, and am now semi-nostalgic about) (for the first 1.5 discs) just shoved EVERY DAMN THING onto 3 (4?) discs, so the albums and the b-sides were smushed together chronologically in groups of 20 or 30, and also so that albums would end up spanning two discs, which is not cool. (I think the Pere Ubu box from eons ago - 7-8 years? - did the same damn thing, just running the Hearpen singles straight into The Modern Dance straight into Dub Housing straight into the next thing w/out any sort of elan or grace.)

Something like the VU box set (Peel Slowly And See) is more approachable on a disc-by-disc basis, in that each album is given its own disc, but then there's the issue of including bonus tracks on the disc w/ the album, so if you (like me) wanted to listen to the 3rd album w/out trudging through the lo-fi live cuts, skip skip skip skip. It's a minor thing, but still, ARRRRRRGH.

And then there's something like the Led Zeppelin box from way way way way back (14+ years?), wherein Jimmy Page & other box organizers did the iPod shuffle for you. They rejiggered & cherrypicked from the group's entire catalog so that latter-period stuff slapped up against "Dazed & Confused", and outtakes reclined comfortably between classic-rock staples, as LZ's entire ouevre was just part of one big timeless continuum and not the labour of over a decade's worth of work - the overall effect was pretty interesting, and a bit disorienting. (Once I actually heard the albums, my mind, it was like "huh?")

I think an odds-&-sods thing like the Magazine box can withstand a shuffle, given its disparate source material - almost any box set can, really. (I doubt the Zeppelin box can, though, as the transitions between tracks, IIRC, are seamless.) And I imagine doing the shuffle is U&K on the 78-minutes-per-disc behemoths, if only to bring the latter tracks one invariably zones out on to the forefront, and to place the monster hits in a newer, fresher context.

[xpost! phil took my line!]

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I had no idea there were good and bad ways to listen to music based on how it's packaged.

Austin (Austin), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

hahaha

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, you people and your grammar fetish.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost: My Jam boxed set sounds like David's Police boxed set - and yeah, the cram-it-all-onto-as-few-max-length-discs-as-possible approach does act as a disincentive to listening to it. I'd rather take the stuff a studio album at a time, or by A-sides/B-sides, or whatever.

So maybe the answer is: chuck everything into iTunes, then use Playlists to shape some order from the chaos.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd rather take the stuff a studio album at a time

one possible soultion to that is to, ya know, buy the albums.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

OH NO!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

My album-centric ways have led me to feel many qualms about buying various jazz boxsets. I just hate the way they often split apart the original album track listings and put everything chronologically instead, so you get fifty takes on "Love for sale" in a row and an album easily gets split over several discs. I guess it'd be alright if you at least get the albums on single CDs, so it's possible to program it in into the original order. It's not like I never listen to CDs in shuffle either, so it's somewhat sad that this bothers me so much.

Cursed hangups!

Also: There's something daunting about 80-minute CDs. I like my 34-minute Sonny Rollins CDs, thankyouverymuch.

Øystein (Øystein), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

one possible soultion to that is to, ya know, buy the albums.

Oy! It was a PRESENT! From my BOYFRIEND! I'm just trying to be practical!

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

the Led Zeppelin box from way way way way back

This is still my favorite way for box sets/"greatest hits" compilations to be packaged. That, or put the songs in alphabetical order.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Always been puzzled when reviews of box sets say something like, "Isn't this a bit much for one sitting?" The idea that people listen to a box set straight through...do you routinely have 3 or 4 hours to fill? I don't get it.

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

do you routinely have 3 or 4 hours to fill?

the fact that we all post to this board suggests that perhaps we do.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

OH NO

INTERNET POTSHOTS AHOYHOY

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Point taken. I could be listening to Star Time right now.

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, I have about 60 hours to kill - can someone point me towards a copy of the Merzbox, please?

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

"stick it in yr ears." (- trad.)

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

(I think the Pere Ubu box from eons ago - 7-8 years? - did the same damn thing, just running the Hearpen singles straight into The Modern Dance straight into Dub Housing straight into the next thing w/out any sort of elan or grace.)

No way dude, the Ubu box doesn't do that! that is, split the albums up across multiple discs, if that's what you're saying. First disc is like singles/Modern Dance, second disc is Dub Housing/New Picnic Time, etc. In fact, I think they actually left a song off Song of the New Bailing Man in order to preserve things this way, but I'm not positive about that (I mean, they did leave a song off from that record, but I am not entirely sure what the reasoning was.)

Anyway, I just usually try to listen to a disc a day, if it's a pretty big set. That kind of gives you a chance to digest what you hear. The great thing about all the 'complete recordings' type things of jazzers and the like is that you do begin to notice stylistic shifts in their playing, especially when some of these boxes span large time frames. Like that Coltrane Complete Prestige Recordings thing, it's like 16 discs spanning 5 years; when i got that I just listened to one disc at night every day or every other day, tried to digest that, read some of the liner notes conforming to the sessions I was hearing ... so yeah, it might take you a month or so to go through something like that but by the end you really feel familiar with an artist's work and the way their sound evolved. but YMMV. I don't think I could do the 'chuck it all into iPod shuffle' approach with something like that, but that's just anal ol' me, I guess.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Citizen Steely Dan is each album in chronogical order, which is good, but they cram all 7 or 8 of them onto four discs. So disc 1 is all of _Can't Buy a Thrill_ and half of _Countdown_, up to 'My Old School.' Disc 2 starts with 'Rikki' etc. I'm going through album by album and I'd much rather have one per disc. But oh well. Wah.

57 7th (calstars), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Stormy - yeah, I remember they left off a Bailing Man track, for whatever reason. (I think there was justification in the booklet?) I imagine it was a length issue - they couldn't get all the stuff on disc in chrono. order w/out making a cut, though it seems REALLY strange to just lop off a track like that. (I wish I still had that box, actually - I sold it, in conjunction w/ loads of other stuff, to finance a trip overseas.)

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)


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