Shouldn't Michael Jackson just commit suicide and get it over with?

END IT, MICHAEL!

(x-post wow even i'm disgusted by that)

http://sportsmed.starwave.com/i/magazine/new/michael_jackson_a.jpg

undead undead undead

He really has fucked up- it was pretty insane to flagrantly snuggle with children after the first court settlement- but then again the very intense foolishness of such behaviour in the face of public suspicion just might be a sign of how totally clueless he is, about sex, about everything. I honestly can't decide if I think he's guilty as hell or just a victim of his own "I'm a child too" partyline.

I'd say the two go pretty much hand-in-hand - two sides of the same coin.

Both scenarios seem plausible: It's quite possible that he really has exploited his celebrity to get close to kids and then has molested them. Abuse is real, and sadly common. But it's also plausible that, given how rich he is and how strange he is, he's a great target for a get-rich lawsuit from parents who have cynically let their kids get close enough to Michael Jackson so that they could cook up a good story. He *IS* so damn weird that, for many, it wouldn't be hard to believe that he would do something outside the law, or morality.

I watched that Martin Bashir "documentary" again recently and the impression I got about Michael Jackson is that he's totally baffled about what sexuality is (particularly his evasions about his paternity, and his fabricated tale of Tatum O'Neale's sexual advances), and that something about him seemed to kind of freeze in place at the peak of his child star popularity: he believes that he is a child too, and that's why he doesn't bat an eye when asked about his sleepovers. His "what's the big deal?" attitude is so utterly clueless- it's not the smoothly defensive front of a mature adult who has been legally implicated in the past and is aware that he had better distance himself, that "where there's smoke there's fire" is what everyone is thinking- this immaturity about what his own behaviour means is what I cite as a *possible* sign that he's actually just insanely naive, and in turn *that* naivety could just possibly be a sign of his innocence of actual abuse charges. But, again, this is ALL speculation. We don't really know what the hell is up with that guy.

Michael Jackson rushed to hospital
The singer is 'very, very ill', according to US press reports...

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050215/us_nm/crime_jackson_dc_21

Jackson became so sick while en route to court in Santa Maria, about 30 minutes from his Neverland Valley Ranch, that he was driven instead to a local hospital. The sudden illness caught Superior Court Judge Rodney Melville and even Jackson's own lawyers by surprise.

"I did speak with Mr. Jackson by telephone this morning on the way to court and he said he was very ill," lead defense attorney Tom Mesereau told the judge after a hushed conference with his colleagues. "I'm told he's being examined by a doctor."

whatever.

jettison him into space. skye sweetnam too.

see, this indicates the opposite to me - his very "what's the big deal?" attitude is common to pedophiles, in that it's indicative of their inability to distinguish between adults and children's respective decision-making capabilities (and sexualities).

but you're right that from either end this is all pure speculation on our parts. I admit that my feeling that he's guilty is just that, a feeling, and one based more on my general understanding of how pedophiles operate than on the specifics of this particular case (which are indeed blurry).

Oh, and Kobe Bryant. That'll win over the jury.

But anyway, I agree the prosecution seems a little hystrionic in playing up the "kidnap" angle (bad choice of words). But showering yr victim with gifts, trips, etc. is totally common pedophile tactic, and in this case the prospective "victim's" response makes total sense psychologically. I posted this on another thread, from a criminology/psych site on pedophilia:

"The Target Child: The pedophile often seeks out shy, handicapped, and withdrawn children, or those who come from troubled homes or under privileged homes. He then showers them with attention, gifts, taunting them with trips to desirable places like amusement parks, zoo's, concerts, the beach and other such places.

Stockholm Syndrome : It is not unusual for the child to develop feelings for the predator and desire their approval and continued acceptance. They will compromise their innate ability to decipher good and bad behavior, ultimately justifying the criminal's bad behavior out of sympathy and concern for the adults welfare. This is often compared to Stockholm Syndrome - when victims become attached emotionally to their captors. "

hm mmmmmmaybe. but Jacko has a lot more wack songs than Prince does. I think quantity is a big issue here. But there's gotta be a Prince vs. Michael Jackson thread already...

Prince seems to move on from the wack songs, as many as there are. (I like Musicology a lot, so I use that as my example of moving on. damn the torpedoes)...whereas with MJ, bad songs linger, nay, cling to him, like barnacles to a ship. You have to clear your head of so much of MJ's badness to recall the cool stuff.

-- VegemiteGrrl

i'm sure you didn't mean any racist undertones here, but still something about this post rubbed me the wrong way.

how fun! I was being a coward & hoping no-one would notice, since I realised my mistake afterwards. (in fact i'm sure you heard the forehead slap from where you're sitting.)

A poor turn of phrase in retrospect, especially given the artists I referenced. In my head it was meant in a broad sense, re: performers in general. ie. why all the extra baggage. why not just great performances.

apologies for counter-directional rubbing. forward motions only from now
on...

You know what would happen? Everyone would start talking about how incredible, how influential he was. VH1 would play his videos around the clock. He'd have the biggest, most star-studded funeral you'd ever seen. Albums upon albums would be released a la 2Pac. He'd sweep the Grammies. He'd be the biggest news story of the year. Everyone would finally refer to him as the King of Pop, just like he wanted.

plus i don't think people hate mj. people hated reagan, but not mj. just maybe a little creeped out by him.

Proven beyond a doubt:
* MJ has pR0n, showed it to the kids
* MJ is an alcoholic, gave booze to the kids

You can drop the "oh michael is just a innocent child-like man he knows not what he does" crap right now.

I used to think MJ was guilty but would be aquitted, but there are many independant witnesses that corraberate much of the story.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/021505mjgrandjury.html

If anyone is in a death pool, put MJ in. Suicide is assured.

The Tragedie Of Michael Jackson will have a brilliant ending.

The mother is very dodgy, which I why I think MJ is likely to be aquitted, but per Larry Feldman's testimony, if she were after money, MJ would be writing her a check by now.

-- mjfan (mjfa...), February 18th, 2005.
If he is masturbating to adult women, why isn't he fucking them ?
you my friend are contradicting yourself - if he masturbares it's because he isn't fucking them

"Leave Me Alone"

Aaow!-Hoo Hoo!

I Don't Care What You Talkin'
'Bout Baby
I Don't Care What You Say
Don't You Come Walkin'
Beggin' Back Mama
I Don't Care Anyway
Time After Time I Gave You All Of My Money
No Excuses To Make
Ain't No Mountain That I
Can't Climb Baby
All Is Going My Way

('Cause There's A Time When
You're Right)
(And You Know You Must
Fight)
Who's Laughing Baby, Don't
You Know
(And There's The Choice That
We Make)
(And This Choice You Will
Take)
Who's Laughin' Baby

So Just Leave Me Alone
Leave Me Alone
(Leave Me Alone)
(Leave Me Alone)
Leave Me Alone
(Leave Me Alone)
(Leave Me Alone)
(Leave Me Alone)
Leave Me Alone-Stop It!
Just Stop Doggin' Me Around
(Just Stop Doggin' Me)

There Was A Time I Used To
Say Girl I Need You
But Who Is Sorry Now
You Really Hurt, You Used To
Take And Deceive Me
Now Who Is Sorry Now
You Got A Way Of Making Me
Feel So Sorry
I Found Out Right Away
Don't You Come Walkin'-
Beggin' I Ain't Lovin' You
Don't You Get In My Way
'Cause
(There's A Time When You're
Right)
(And You Know You Must
Fight)
Who's Laughing Baby-Don't
You Know?
(And There's The Choice That
We Make)
(And This Choice You Will
Take)
Who's Laughin' Baby?

So Just Leave Me Alone
Leave Me Alone
(Leave Me Alone)
(Leave Me Alone)
Leave Me Alone
Leave Me Alone
(Leave Me Alone)
(Leave Me Alone)
(Leave Me Alone)
Stop It!
Just Stop Doggin' Me Around
(Just Stop Doggin' Me)

('Cause There's A Time When
You're Right)
(And You Know You Must
Fight)
Who's Laughing Baby, Don't
You Know, Girl
(It's The Choice That We
Make)
(And This Choice You Will
Take)
Who's Laughin' Baby

So Just Leave Me Alone
Leave Me Alone
(Leave Me Alone)
(Leave Me Alone)
Leave Me Alone
Leave Me Alone
(Leave Me Alone)
(Leave Me Alone)
(Leave Me Alone)
Stop It!
Just Stop Doggin' Me Around
Leave Me Alone
Leave Me Alone
(Leave Me Alone)
(Leave Me Alone)
Leave Me Alone
(Leave Me Alone)
Leave Me Alone-Stop It!

Just Stop Doggin' Me Around
(Just Stop Doggin' Me)
Don't Come Beggin' Me
Don't Come Beggin'
Don't Come Lovin' Me
Don't Come Beggin'
I Love You
I Don't Want It
I Don't . . .
I Don't . . .
I Don't . . .
I . . .I . . ., Aaow!
Hee Hee!
Don't Come Beggin' Me
Don't Come Beggin'
Don't Come Lovin' Me
Don't Come Beggin'
I Love You
I Don't Want It
I Don't Need It

thats why i became atrue believer in hubcaprishuddah and potentialed my actualities.

no longer will star pay no longer more for these tears in my emotinal resonaces.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0228051jacksonopenings1.html

"Undermined by obvious expectation — anticipated noise is ritual not disruption — the Gallery achievement can only ever be meagre. Yes, Oswald can mock the pop icons he parasites off, but his slash-free technique — his insight, such as it is — never takes wing against his fellow radicals. As long as he can’t and won’t turn the same techniques inward, the context ain’t abundant, but inert: the physical collage of intention and necessity delivers nothing but obscurantist rustle, and (in Oswald’s case) rampant flesh-eating envy. Michael Jackson is the target which put Oswald on the avant map: at the heart of Jacko’s vast Mad Ludwig II fairycastle, circled as it is with grim yokel villagers bearing flaming torches (and that’s just his FANS haha), might not Michael, this very weird, monstrously gifted fellow — ruinous faults and all — nevertheless actually be sculpting message-in-a-bottle sound art, hidden in the plainest sight, that’s better, deeper, stronger or stranger than ANYTHING in Boom? If even the risk that he might be is a priori ruled out — if Gorguts and Cryptopsy are by definition as disbarred from the Hayward as — oh, I don’t know — So Solid Crew and Eminem, then what exactly does the inclusion of Oswald achieve, except bad faith?" ('NOISE pt.II')

> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0228051jacksonopenings1.html

"Mom is scam artist" and "MJ diddled the kids" are not mutually exclusive.

I think the defense has a huge problem if it can't explain the very strong evidence that MJ gave the kids booze and pornography. Attacking the mother is not enough.

Either way, Mr. Jackson needs to go to a mental hospital for a long, long time.

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No, really.

He has admitted to sleeping in the same bed as young kids, which shows how dumb he is (if he was really guilty would he even have admitted in that first place??)... but I am just not sure he's involved in touching them up.

With the porn and the alcohol he sounds drastically lonely. Maybe he is a closet Smiths fan?

My guess is he'll plead guilty to a lesser charge with the condition that he seeks help. He'll either get house arrest or probation but I'd be very surprised if he went to prison.

yes...that was a supposed to be "defense" not "procecution"...my bad. no jesus juice or rides on the ferris wheel for me.

my friend quintin is the court reporter for the santa maria times. he is the only reporter allowed in the courtroom during the trials. this blows my fucking mind.

(BTW, it's a copy editor's nightmare to cast that sentence as, "Is anyone watching the acted-out recaps on E!?")

My favorite observation of the week. My fave line of the week goes ro Steve Schneider re: The Jacket:

"It's always a good thing when a movie exploits the universal fear of being tortured by Kris Kristofferson."

MJ's LPs since thriller have all been sort of inadvertent (?) postcards from inside the horrible prison of his own mind/life: how many clues did he need to give us, really, that All Was Not Well? celebrity seems to fuck w.the wits even of those totally contemptuous of it

i wish he had the self-knowledge and guts to turn all this* into the strongest, weirdest, punkiest, dancin'est music of his life, though i am kinda certain he doesn't and won't

*ie whatever the outcome