What was the first top 40 song to reference homosexuality?

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"Walk On The Wild Side" maybe?

flaming and proud, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 13:06 (twenty years ago)

I think "John I'm Only Dancing" might have just pipped it by a couple of months.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)

Arguably, the Kinks 'See My Friend' in 1965, although Ray Davies has never confirmed that he was referring to a gay relationship.

Jeff Cook (Bro_Danielson), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

Well, I didn't realise John I'm Only Dancing had a gay theme. I did read somewhere that The London Boys was about male prostitutes, but of course that wasn't any kind of hit.

flaming and proud, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

Doris Day - 'Secret Love' (1954)

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 13:17 (twenty years ago)

Cher undergoes some gender dystopia on "You Better Sit Down, Kids" and at least one of the three involved parties appears to be gay in "The Way of Love." But the answer is probably indeed "Walk on the Wild Side," followed by "All the Young Dudes."

And if you want to read too far into lyrics (as I love doing) then the answer is "Jailhouse Rock": "Number 47 said to Number 3 / You're the cutest jailbird I ever did see."

There's also a case to be made for Elton John's "Your Song" if one takes the "boy" literally in the line "I don't have much money / But, boy, if I did ..."

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

Wasn't "You Got To Hide Your Love Away" about Brian Epstein, who was a homosexual?

Keith C (kcraw916), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 14:04 (twenty years ago)

Most of the songs on Lou Reed's "Transformer" have either gay themes ("Make Up") or at least gay subtexts; the production itself (queeny Bowie harmonies, strings) is quite campy.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

When was "Lola" by the Kinks released?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

Frank Sinatra - Strangers In The Night (1966)

Strangers in the night exchanging glances
Wond’ring in the night
What were the chances we’d be sharing love
Before the night was through.

Something in your eyes was so inviting,
Something in you smile was so exciting,
Something in my heart,
Told me I must have you.

Strangers in the night, two lonely people
We were strangers in the night
Up to the moment
When we said our first hello.
Little did we know
Love was just a glance away,
A warm embracing dance away and -

Ever since that night we’ve been together.
Lovers at first sight, in love forever.
It turned out so right,
For strangers in the night.

I've heard arguments that it was written about cruising in Central Park after sundown, but it very well might be gay folklore and I can't be arsed to see who actually authored it, since my initial Google Search isn't turning up much beyond Frankie's name

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

Little Richard, "Tutti Frutti" (1956)

j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)

"Here In My Arse" - Al Martino, 1952.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)

I wonder if Bing Crosby's "My Buddy" was top 40?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

"Rimming Is Your Friend" - Barry Cornwell, 1951

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

[sorry]

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

Alex in NYC - "Lola" was 1970. That one probably should top the list.

I assume the first Top 40 hit to mention the word "gay" was Prince's "Controversy."

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

And if you want to read too far into lyrics (as I love doing) then the answer is "Jailhouse Rock": "Number 47 said to Number 3 / You're the cutest jailbird I ever did see."

that doesn't require reading very far into the lyrics. that's right there on the surface.

surely there are examples from the '20s and '30s or from whenever there started being a top 40 in the first place. it's a fairly common theme in popular music, isn't it?

fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

"controversy" disqualified on account of failing to hit the top 40;

fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

Killing of Georgie parts 1 + 2 was a number uk 2 hit in 1976.
Dunno about in America, but that beats prince by a good six years.

the lyrics are here :

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/r/rod-stewart/117098.html

sensitive and touching (for the time) or naff and sentimental?
i can't remember. it went on a bit i seem to recall.

piscesboy, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

I'd say piscesboy is right: "The Killing of Georgie" was the first Top 40 single to EXPLICTLY mention homosexuality (wasn't it a big hit too?).

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

Huh? How were Lola and Walk on the Wild Side (both, I am pretty sure, top 40) not explicit? "I'm not the world's most sensitive man, but I know who I am, and I bet I'm a man, and so's Lola." "Girls will be boys and boys will be girls, it's a mixed-up world . . . "

Vornado (Vornado), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)

You're right. Totally forgot about "Lola" – maybe because I prefer the Raincoats gender-fucked version.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

I always thought it was about crossdressing.

stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

Bobbie Gentry- "Ode To Billy Joe", 1967

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

Suede- Animal Nitrate
Eminem's Real Slim Shady had the two men eloping line. I think...

Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 17:38 (twenty years ago)

Bobbie Gentry- "Ode To Billy Joe", 1967

wha?? explain please.

zappi (joni), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

In the Billie Joe movie, it's revealed he killed himself because he thought he was gay.

Doobie Keebler (Charles McCain), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

um. but the film and book based on the song were made years afterwards, i wonder how much say Bobbie Gentry had in the film/novelisation? theres nothing in the song to hint that Billie Joe thought he was gay.

zappi (joni), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

there has GOT to be some songs from the jazz age that deal in this subject. I can't think of any off the top of my head, but I'd be really surprised if there weren't several "nudge nudge wink wink"/gay themed hits from that era.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

The lyrics to 'Lola' are purposfully ambiguous.

The line above misquotes the song. I believe the proper end to that line is "I'm glad I'm a man, and so's my Lola." Now, does that mean that Lola's also glad the protagonist is a man or that Lola's also a man?

Jason Cortina, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)

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plenty of blues singers in the 20s and 30s did a lot more than nudge nudge wink wink -- ma rainey's "sissy blues" and "prove it to me blues," to take two notable examples, both as explicit as anything that's been named in this thread so far. she was quite popular, as was her likeminded contemporary bessie smith. not sure how popular those particular songs were, though.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)


>Little Richard, "Tutti Frutti"

This is very true. Original lyrics: "Tutti Frutti/good booty/if it don't fit/don't force it/you can grease it/make it easy". this might be urban legend, but i've seen it documented in at least 3 fairly well-respected publications.

PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

Was "C.B. Savage" enough of a novelty hit to score a Top 40 position?

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

I completely forgot about "The Killing of Georgie," thanks to everyone upthread who mentioned it. It did make the U.S. Top 40, I think somewhere in the 20s. I thought "Controvery" had been a Top 20 hit as well, color me corrected.

And if I wanted to be argumentative, I'd point out that the "Tutti Frutti" lyrics only address anal sex, which is a theoretically sexuality-neutral concept. :)

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

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though that's true about "tutti frutti," none of those lyrics (save for the title) ever made it anywhere near the top 40, so it's hard to see how that counts.

"controversy" peaked at #77 in the u.s.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

oops, typo. "controversy" peaked at #70.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

"though that's true about "tutti frutti," none of those lyrics (save for the title) ever made it anywhere near the top 40, so it's hard to see how that counts."

fair call.

PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 22:26 (twenty years ago)

Yeah the "Top 40" part is important -- Jelly Roll Morton went into graphic detail about every non-standard sexual practice under the sun but it's not like they were playing it on the radio.

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 22:34 (twenty years ago)

Re Lola lyrics:

I was wrong above, but in context the actual lyrics are pretty straight(sic)forward:

Well I'd left home just a week before
And I'd never ever kissed a woman before
But Lola smiled and took me by the hand
And said "Little boy, I'm going to make you a man."
Well, I'm not the world's most masculine man
But I know who I am and I'm glad I'm a man
And so's Lola

But let me suggest the following as an earlier top 40 song referencing homosexuality:

For what is a man, what has he got?
If not himself, then he has naught.
To say the things he truly feels;
And not the words of one who kneels.
The record shows I took the blows -
And did it my way!

Hard to believe that Paul Anka and Ol' Blue Eyes didn't at least giggle a bit over that.

Vornado (Vornado), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 23:48 (twenty years ago)

I always thought it was "I claim I'm a man and so's my Lola"

I like this other misunderstanding...

"In bed I'm a man and so is Lola"

Ben Dot (1977), Thursday, 17 February 2005 01:37 (twenty years ago)

"Hand in Glove"?

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 17 February 2005 01:46 (twenty years ago)

Sure this doesn't count, but the Kinks' "I'm Not Like Everybody Else"...

Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 17 February 2005 04:16 (twenty years ago)

"Controversy" peaked at No. 3 R&B, which must count for something.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Thursday, 17 February 2005 04:19 (twenty years ago)

Actually, "I'm Not Like Everybody Else" hit 14 in Belgium in '66 as a B-side.

Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 17 February 2005 04:23 (twenty years ago)

Cole Porter's "You're the Top."

:-)

John

johnny jismhead, Friday, 18 February 2005 06:42 (twenty years ago)

How about the first time that two UK Top 40 singles simultaneously referenced homosexuality: September 1976, with Rod Stewart's "The Killing Of Georgie" and The Rubettes' "Under One Roof".

(Spoiler: the faggot dies. In both. For 1970s representations of homosexuality, that was the law.)

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Friday, 18 February 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

"Lola" it is then

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 18 February 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

And if you want to read too far into lyrics (as I love doing) then the answer is "Jailhouse Rock": "Number 47 said to Number 3 / You're the cutest jailbird I ever did see."

Alba, I've wondered about the exact same lyric.. either this is a mixed-sex prison or there's something interesting going on.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Friday, 18 February 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

That Rubettes song is amazing! I've got to get a hold of it -- the only song I've ever heard from them is "Sugar Baby Love."

And this is the point where I remind people how convinced I am that Andy Kim's "Rock Me Gently" is about a man experiencing anal sex for the first time. "Take it easy, don't you know / That I have never been loved like this before."

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Friday, 18 February 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)

I've had the same thought, Joseph.

Re: the Rubettes. I burnt an MP3 from my vinyl copy a while ago, with a view to posting it on my blog. I'll stick something on this thread when I get round to loading it up... won't be for a week or so though, as I need the web space for some other stuff.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Friday, 18 February 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

Re: Lola

I disagree with the characterization of "straight(sic)forward". In context it is *not* straightforward. It was quite specifically written to be ambiguous. It is impossible, by common language usage, to tell from that context whether Lola is also a man or is also glad the singer is a man.

While much of the narrative *implies*, the indeterminency of this ending keeps the whole thing mysterious (note lines explicitly referencing gender switching seem to argue *against*; when the main character sings "Girls will be boys and boys will be girls, It's a mixed up muddled up shook up world except for Lola" he can be taken as saying that Lola is not part of the world of that type of confusion).

Again, I don't think there is any part of that song where it unambiguously indicates one way or the other. And that is by (very clever) design.

Jason Cortina, Friday, 18 February 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

"i think we're alone now"

reo, Friday, 18 February 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

Jason: "Lola" is pretending to be ambiguous; I don't think there's a listener in the world (incl. you) who doesn't think the song is gay. Anyway, it for sure "references" homosexuality.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 19 February 2005 07:10 (twenty years ago)

I think it's an ambiguous song, yes, but it's clearer that it's talking about transsexuality/cross dressing than it is homosexuality per se.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Saturday, 19 February 2005 08:32 (twenty years ago)

'Defecting Grey' by the Pretty Things had homosexual undertones

Johnny Casino, Saturday, 19 February 2005 09:28 (twenty years ago)

i think lola is about gender and not sexuality, so it is transgendered and not "gay"---jail house rock wins it.

anthony, Saturday, 19 February 2005 10:12 (twenty years ago)

The "Sissy Man Blues" lyrics:

"Lord, I woke up this mornin' with my pork grlndin' business in my hand.
Says I woke up this morning with my pork grlndin' business in my hand.
Lord, if you can't send me no woman, please send me some slssy man."

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 19 February 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)


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