For Bright Eyes fans ONLY: C/D Digital Ash In A Digital Urn

you can understand why he did it, but a bit more restraint would have served him well. maybe that's a lesson he'll learn when he gets out of puberty.

On the surface, the record seems like Conor breaking new ground (musically, that is). But in reality, it's a return to his somewhat lame death schtick. This prevents the music from sounding any more interesting to me than a half-baked, upbeat Tortoise record with a twist of death.

did it all get real? i guess it's real enough

Digital Ash definitely suffers in comparison to I'm Wide Awake It's Morning but "Easy/Lucky/Free" and "Hit The Switch" are both fantastic.

we'll lay in bags as dead as leaves

nothing nothing nothing nothing

i think it's time to re-visit this album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RozuwUlX7MI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Civ21ANF3zI

was bright eyes one of the first of the recent batch of acoustic indie dudes to "go electric"?

but yeah, those two tracks are incredible. i think they're as good as anything on "i'm wide awake, it's morning." i actually prefer the stark, electro production to the acoustic stuff because it foregrounds his divisive voice and lyrics and strips those elements of any cutesy indie accoutrements. on these earlier records oberst sounds like the voice of arrogant self-righteous youth incarnate. like shelley in queen mab or like someone distilled early bob dylan to just those elements that people found most unbearable. like, this sense of moral purity and precocious world-weariness, an unearned disappointment with the world. it's brilliant and every teenager should be like this.

i'm heading to bed in a minute, but i bookmarked this to get back to tomorrow

i rly liked "light pollution".

the alcoholism song's great too, with the verses that speed up. i've got a friend who says, hey anytime. unless that offer's expired. i have been less than frequent. she's under no obligation to indulge every whim.

or like someone distilled early bob dylan to just those elements that people found most unbearable.

lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXJxi1Odfjk

sort of wish we were polling this instead of just a bump. just looked and i still own this CD. liked both album at the time but really these were no way close to as good as his masterpiece Lifted or The Story Is in the Soil, Keep Your Ear to the Ground.

Let's poll!

Cannot listen to this guy after his defamation case against a woman who accused him of rape.

whoa. i hadn't heard about that.

Yeah, that was unpleasant. Like, I don't think he's a rapist and I do believe that he was genuinely hurt/offended by the accusation, but this is exactly the most irresponsible way to go about refuting the charge.

what is the responsible way to go about refuting the charge?

Well, probably just 'ignoring' it after the verdict..

I remember P.Weller was once accused of the same, but was found not guilty (or was not actually trialled, more likely), nobody thinks of him as having 'got away with it' but how do you know?

is it irresponsible because it discourages those who were actually raped from speaking out?

Yes.

gotcha, thanks. sorry for being a bit dense and coming across as dude asking if obviously correct answer is the right one. but I had to ask because I haven't done the reading (I should do the reading).

It's a horrible situation to be in if it is a false accusation but anything that would actively discourage victims of a crime coming forward is so wrong.

i can't fault him for bringing a defamation suit against his accuser. i don't think he should have to sacrifice his reputation, or jettison any tools he might have to address the hit his reputation has already taken, bc of considerations about other unrelated rape victims. if you accuse someone of a crime you can't expect them to martyr themselves.

As I recall, he made a pretty strong public statement prior to the defamation suit. It got the point across, and if I were him, I would have left it at that. Perfect? Hell, no. But better than doing something that encourages further victimizing victims.

So I just went ahead and polled it.