Who is Bob Dylan talking about?

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THE TIMES THEY ARE A-BORING!

BOB DYLAN has launched a withering attack on contemporary rock bands in the programme notes for his latest American tour.

"I know there are groups at the top of the charts that are hailed as the saviours of rock'n'roll and all that, but they are amateurs. They don't know where the music comes from," he wrote, adding, “I wouldn't even think about playing music if I was born in these times... I'd probably turn to something like mathematics. That would interest me. Architecture would interest me. Something like that."

As previously reported Dylan’s latest leg of his so-called 'Never Ending Tour' opens in Seattle on March 7 and winds up with a five night stint at New York's Beacon Theater, April 25 -30.

Meanwhile, Martin Scorsese's two-part Bob Dylan documentary, ’No Direction Home’, is now likely to air on BBC2 in late September.

Concentrating on Dylan’s career from his arrival in Greenwich Village until his 1966 motorcycle crash, the film will draw on previously unseen archive footage from the singer’s own personal collection, plus new interview material.

JD from CDepot, Saturday, 19 February 2005 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)

the wallflowers

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 19 February 2005 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Is this a swipe at Bright Eyes? I'm sure he's just as offended by the comparisons as his fans are.

Keith C (kcraw916), Saturday, 19 February 2005 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Brights Eyes aren't at the top of the charts, though.

Jonathan (Jonathan), Saturday, 19 February 2005 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)

he's probably talking about nirvana

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 19 February 2005 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know. Maybe he's just going senile.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Saturday, 19 February 2005 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)


It wouldnt be Nirvana, because if i remember correctly from Heavier Than Heaven, Dylan loved Polly, and said Whatever "it" was, Kurt had "it"

and its not the white stripes, because i read him saying he liked them in a video

my guess is U2, because doesnt he hate bono or something?

JD from CDepot, Saturday, 19 February 2005 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

So, everyone who Bono likes really, really hates him, then?

Masked Gazza, Saturday, 19 February 2005 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Dylan credits Bono with inspiring his comeback in Chronicles.

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The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Saturday, 19 February 2005 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

What th fuck is 3 doors down?

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Saturday, 19 February 2005 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

he is talking about brian mcknight, obviously

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 19 February 2005 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

3 Doors Down is number one? craptastic.

they're a rock band from Florida, very bland... sort of like Matchbox Twenty with an "edge" and even fewer redeeming qualities (if it were possible). they had that "Kryptonite" hit several years back.

jonviachicago, Saturday, 19 February 2005 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

In that case, Dylan OTMFMx1000

Stupornaut (natepatrin), Saturday, 19 February 2005 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Too true!

don, Saturday, 19 February 2005 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

The quip he makes about the "saviors of rock 'n' roll" kind of makes me think he's talking about the Strokes, or the White Stripes or someone like that, as opposed to cookie-cutter alt-rock like Maroon 5 and 3 Doors Down. They certainly haven't been hailed as the "saviors of rock 'n' roll." At least I hope they haven't.

Keith C (kcraw916), Saturday, 19 February 2005 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Dylan just loves saying stuff. That's, like, his FAVORITE thing.

Scott CE (Scott CE), Saturday, 19 February 2005 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

He wrote an album of songs based on his div--I mean Chekov stories, yeah thatz the ticket.

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Saturday, 19 February 2005 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

he hates rascall flatts?
http://countrymusic.about.com/library/featherfalls/rascalflattswp-sm.jpg

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Saturday, 19 February 2005 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait wait wait, let's get back to the fact that fucking 3 Doors Down still have a career.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 19 February 2005 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

It is, indeed, a fact which defies explanation. Really. I would say that that album being number one is one of the more inexplicable chart phenomena of the 2000s.

Scott CE (Scott CE), Saturday, 19 February 2005 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

This is the original interview by Robert Hilburn:


For 40 years, Bob Dylan has been a man of constant change who weaves conviction and contradictions into his work with artful sleight-of-hand.

Dylan's musical compass always has been tied to the country, blues and folk sounds that thrilled him as a youngster in Minnesota, and he and his dazzling road band play with the defiance of true believers who feel pop music has been taken over by charlatans.

As always, he resists questions about his personal life and the meaning of particular lines or songs, but he speaks passionately about his legacy and his musical roots. Dylan is guilty of underestimating some of today's rock and hip-hop acts, but his views are as provocative as his lyrics in his latest CD, ''Love and Theft.''

Dylan, 60, is working on his autobiography, but will he step from behind the veil even there? He hints that the events in the book might be a bit fuzzy.

''My retrievable memory isn't as good as it should be,'' he says with only the barest trace of a smile.

Q: The music on the new album seems transported from a different era. Do you find much inspiration in today's music scene?

A: I know there are groups at the top of the charts that are hailed as the saviors of rock 'n' roll and all that, but they are amateurs. They don't know where the music comes from. I was lucky. I came up in a different era. There were these great blues and country and folk artists around, and the impulse to play (those sounds) came to me at a very early age.

I wouldn't even think about playing music if I was born in these times. I wouldn't even listen to the radio. I'm an extreme person. I'm not a party boy. I don't care about rave dances and a lot of the stuff going on.

Q: What do you think would have interested you today if music weren't an option?

A: I'd probably turn to something like mathematics. That would interest me. Architecture would interest me. Something like that.

Q: Are you surprised by the return of so much placid pop which was one of the original targets of rock 'n' roll?

A: I don't think what we call pop music today is any worse than it was. We never liked pop music. It never occurred to me (in the 1950s) that Bing Crosby was on the cutting edge 20 years before I was listening to him. I never heard that Bing Crosby. The Louis Armstrong I heard was the guy who sang ''Hello, Dolly!'' I never heard him do ''West End Blues.''

Q: ''Time Out of Mind'' seemed to spark a creative resurgence for you. Did you know right away it was something special?

A: It was a little sketchy to me. I knew after that record that when and if I ever committed myself to making another record, I didn't want to get caught short without up-tempo songs. A lot of my songs are slow ballads. I can gut-wrench a lot out of them. But if you put a lot of them on a record, they'll fade into one another, and there was some of that in ''Time Out of Mind.'' I sort of blueprinted it this time to make sure I didn't get caught without up-tempo songs.

Q: What about the creative process for you? Do you write constantly?

A: I overwrite. If I know I am going in to record a song, I write more than I need. In the past that's been a problem because I failed to use discretion at times. I have to guard against that. On this album, ''Lonesome Day Blues'' was twice as long at one point. ''Highlands'' (a 17-minute song on ''Time Out of Mind'') was twice as long originally.

Q: Why is there so much humor on the album this time? Does it have to do with your state of mind these days?

A: I try to make the songs as three-dimensional as possible. A one- or two-dimensional song doesn't last very long. It's important to have humor where you can. Even the most severe rapper uses some humor.

Q: When do you tend to do the most writing? When you're on tour or when you're home for a few weeks?

A: I don't know. Some things just come to me in dreams. But I can write a bunch of stuff down after you leave about, say, the way you are dressed. I look at people as ideas. I don't look at them as people. I'm talking about general observation. Whoever I see, I look at them as an idea what this person represents. That's the way I see life. I see life as a utilitarian thing. Then you strip things away until you get to the core of what's important.

Q: What was it like to be adored at times and booed at others - like on the ''Slow Train Coming'' tour in the '70s?

A: I was booed at Newport (R.I.) before that, remember. You can't worry about things like that. Miles Davis has been booed. Hank Williams was booed. Stravinsky was booed. You're nobody if you don't get booed sometime.

Q: Have you ever felt you were a superficial artist?

A: Sure, I think the tour I did with the Band in 1974 was superficial. I had forgotten how to sing and play. I had been devoting my time to raising a family, and it took me a long time to recapture my purpose as a performer. You'd find it at times, then it would disappear again for a while.

Q: You're on a creative roll now. Where do you see the beginning of it?

A: In the early '90s when I escaped the organized media. They let me be. They considered me irrelevant, which was the best thing that could have happened to me. I was waiting for that. No artist can develop for any length of time in the light of the media, no matter who it is. If the media was commenting on every article you wrote, imagine what it would do to you.

Q: Do you see yourself touring indefinitely?

A: I don't see myself doing anything indefinitely. I see myself fulfilling the commitments at the moment. Anything beyond that, time will have to tell.

Q: There's a lot of spirit in the new album. Do you feel pretty good about things?

A: Any day above the ground is a good day.

Publication date: 11-01-01

11-01-01. Surely he was referring to the Strokes.

MV, Saturday, 19 February 2005 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I've heard talk about 3 Doors Down "getting people back into straight-ahead hard rock again." Like Norah Jones revives jazz, Zell Miller's a Democrat, etc.

don, Saturday, 19 February 2005 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post

3 doors down are actually from mississippi, NOT Florida. For some reason I just couldn't let that go. I don't even live in FL anymore, but man that band is awful.

brontosaur, Saturday, 19 February 2005 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

In context it looks a little less harsh. Still, I'd bet he digs the Strokes and the White Stripes. Typical contradictory Dylan.

And FTR, I think the best paragraph in all of Chronicles is when he lists his favorite rap artists.

Keith C (kcraw916), Saturday, 19 February 2005 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Can I hazard a guess he's talking about Green Day's 'American Idiot'? Antiestablishmentarianism and all that. Saviors of rock and roll? Well, not quite, I know, but they would be my guess.

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 19 February 2005 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Who did he say his favorite rappers were?

Cunga (Cunga), Saturday, 19 February 2005 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, he was talking about 1989, so it was Ice-T, Public Enemy, maybe NWA? Can't remember who else.

Other things Dylan loves, apparently:

Mickey Rourke
Judy Garland
Bono

Scott CE (Scott CE), Saturday, 19 February 2005 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)

From p.219 in Chronicles

"Danny [Lanois] asked me who I'd been listening to recently, and I told him Ice-T. He was surprised, but he shouldn't have been. A few years earlier, Kurtis Blow, a rapper from Brooklyn [sic? I thought he was from Harlem] who had a hit out called "The Breaks," had asked me to be on one of his records and he familiarized me with that stuff, Ice-T, Public Enemy, N.W.A., Run-D.M.C. These guys definitely weren't standing around bullshitting. They were beating drums, tearing it up, hurling horses over cliff. They were all poets and knew what was going on."

Keith C (kcraw916), Saturday, 19 February 2005 21:00 (twenty-one years ago)

That book is so fucking great.

"Hurling horses over cliffs."

Scott CE (Scott CE), Saturday, 19 February 2005 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)

"Hurling horses over cliffs."

bob rocks.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 19 February 2005 21:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Dylan is exorcising his hatred for mindless chart-topper Ray Charles.

Star Cauliflower (Star Cauliflower), Sunday, 20 February 2005 01:07 (twenty-one years ago)

"Hurling horses over cliffs" thirded as the most awesome expression ever.

alex in montreal, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Fourthed, mon! (Got to that passage in the book just last night)

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I've got an old LP of Ray live where he does this hilariously purring, snide version of "Makin' Whoopee", that made me wonder Dyaln didn't learn something from Ray (it's also kinda like the cool,snide side of Mose Allison, whom young Bobby did namecheck). Thinking of "If Dogs Run Free," and some other stuff.

don, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

"Hurling horses over cliffs" ditto, yadda.

Huk-L, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

All this talk about Dylan and the White Stripes....let's clear this up...Dlyan rarely invites other musicians onto stage with him.... but back on 3/17/04, while playing a show in Detroit...Bob invited Jack White onto stage for a second encore and sang one of JACKs songs (Ball and Biscuit)...now if that doesn't tell you that Mr Dylan is a White Stripes fan...then I don't know what to say. Sure it would seem casual if he invited Jack onstage to sing one of his own songs...but to sing a song written by Jack and sing the fitst verse...that says a lot.

Professor, Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Re Ray: Dylan once credited "Let's Go Get Stoned" for inspiring "Rainy Day Women."

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 03:02 (twenty-one years ago)

the image of kurtis blow hurling a horse off a cliff has really made my day. actually better yet is the image of him wiping his hands in serene satisfaction as the horse falls to its bloody death.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 03:12 (twenty-one years ago)

i've become alex in nyc!

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 03:13 (twenty-one years ago)

nineteen years pass...

RIP civil rights activist Dorie Ladner, a wise, courageous person whom I heard on many Saturdays on a WPFW public radio show. The New York Times obit mentions Dylan's friendship with her-

During her hiatuses from college, Ms. Ladner was serenaded by Bob Dylan in the New York apartment where she helped to plan the 1963 March on Washington. He was said to have been smitten with her and to have alluded to her in his song “Outlaw Blues”: I got a woman in Jackson / I ain’t gonna say her name / She’s a brown-skin woman, but I / Love her just the same.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/15/us/dorie-ladner-dead.html

curmudgeon, Saturday, 16 March 2024 16:22 (one year ago)

Did he write songs referencing Mavis Staples too?

curmudgeon, Sunday, 17 March 2024 17:07 (one year ago)


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