Grant Green - "The Complete Quartets W/Sonny Clark"

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I bought this on a whim last night. Holy shit! This is fucking great! I'd go on about it, but I'll refrain out of fear I'd end up sounding like a Dusty Groove blurb. But suffice it to say, Green delivers tasty licks throughout these two slabs of groovy--well, you get the idea.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Sunday, 27 February 2005 01:43 (twenty-one years ago)

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― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Sunday, 27 February 2005 01:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Art Blakey is great on his cuts, as usual.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Sunday, 27 February 2005 01:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah! Listen to Art Blakey whooping and hollering during Green's solos in Ain't Necessarily So. You'd have be a plank not to holler, those solos are so fab!

― paul c (paul c), Sunday, 27 February 2005 03:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm curious to check this out. I generally find myself disappointed with Grant Green -- I always feel like his solos start to cook but never hit a good sizzle. I just got Green Street, a trio thing, which I'm liking.

― Hurting (Hurting), Sunday, 27 February 2005 05:05 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah i'm with hurting here. i love idle moments...but everything else i've heard seems somewhat comfy. it cooks without ever really getting past nice.

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Sunday, 27 February 2005 05:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I only have two albums by Gee-dub. The one I really like is called "In the Spirit" and has the advantage of featuring Ed Blackwell and Herbie Hancock. The program, not surprisingly, is jazz-funk versions of spirituals.

― Austin (Austin), Sunday, 27 February 2005 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)

sounds great

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Sunday, 27 February 2005 05:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I can take GG or leave, believe. But this is amazing stuff. I might actually give most of the credit to Clark and Blakey, though Green is in tighter form here than anywhere else I've heard him (which is admittedly on only a small handful of recordings).

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Sunday, 27 February 2005 07:31 (twenty-one years ago)

For those with Grant Green troubles-
Search: Matador.

― Ken L (Ken L), Sunday, 27 February 2005 10:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Damn, I was just listening to Green Street yesterday. I share above G.G. troubles, but am curious about "Matador".

― pheNAM (pheNAM), Sunday, 27 February 2005 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Read something a long time ago, by a crit who had supposedly heard all of GG's stuff, that Green alternated good albums with second-rate (good/bad, good/bad), just past of the Blue Note production schedule. How is he on that Larry Young album (Into Somethin' is the title, I think)?? Love (most of) Larry Young, but working backwards from his Miles/McLaughlin/Lifetime/Jimi; haven't made it back past his Mother Ship yet, Blue Notewise.

― don, Sunday, 27 February 2005 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

is a great record, but my favorite Young/Green collabaration is Talkin' About, which has a rippin' opening track ("Talkin About JC").

― Keith C (kcraw916), Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

That was supposed to read "Into Somethin' is a great record..." Guess you can't start a post with italics? Off to the playground.

― Keith C (kcraw916), Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Don, you haven't gotten to Unity yet?? Holy crap, you are in for a treat.

― Keith C (kcraw916), Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Just played Matador. Smokey, sweet, swinging w/ unexpteced bonus cut "Wives & Lovers." Listening on the computer, but I believe the original cover illustration is by Andy Warhol.

― lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah, I've got Unity; didn't check the dates, though! Also hadn't noticed listings of Talkin' About (new glasses/brain-time). Thanks for that!

― don, Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Green alternated good albums with second-rate
I could believe this. At the risk of losing the tiny bit of credibility I might have, I'm going to recommend you another one that on the surface of it might look like one of the bad ones but is actually one of the good ones- Goin' West, an album of country and cowboy songs, including "On Top Of Old Smokey." Maybe the fact that it went unreleased for a few years is actually a hint to its quality.

― Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, I do like "Alive" also. I forgot about that one. But it's more good in a general soul-jazzy way than as a showcase for Green.

― Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 28 February 2005 23:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Search: anything with Idris Muhammad.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 28 February 2005 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

You got that right.

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 00:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks, Ken, I'll check his country-cowboy songs. "Unreleased fro a few years" might be at least in part cos the Pre-Norah Blue Note was not exactly known for country meets jazz (not that she really is that, to my ears, but is sold like that o course)

― don, Tuesday, 1 March 2005 01:21 (twenty-one years ago)

But back to the original: how does he sound with Sonny Clark? I've never heard a whole album featuring Clark.

― don, Tuesday, 1 March 2005 05:46 (twenty-one years ago)

"Blue Note was not exactly known for country meets jazz"

I guess it was more Riverside's territory:

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― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 05:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Or I guess Contemporary, rather. I get Prestige/Riverside/Contemporary and the other ones mixed up since i came to know them all through that OJC reissue series.

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 05:53 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost:
Ha! That album is actually mentioned in the Goin' West liner notes, as both contain versions of "Wagon Wheels."

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 05:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Ray Charles put out a country album a few years later.

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 05:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I thought of Way Out West as soon as Ken mentioned Grant's, but it wasn't exactly an established subgenre, alas! Even Sonny never did continue that line of inquiry (leaving it all up to Mose Allison, for quite a while)(Ray Charles wasn't bop enough for what we're so far talking about here)

― don, Tuesday, 1 March 2005 06:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, Sonny was doing "The Tennessee Waltz" in concert reasonably often back in the nineties.

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 06:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Does "I'm an Old Cowhand" count as a country tune?

xpost, I also have a Lou Donaldson album where he does The Tennessee Waltz (albeit, strangely, not as a waltz).

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 06:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Guys, I know there was still the specialty/novelty number here and there, but not a country-bop subgenre, not then! Country-jazz is more from the swingside, then and now. (Although Mose Allison's alwsys done country-blues vocals and tunes with boppish piano)Now, of course, we got all those Bill Frisell album,s but that's more the Ambient Alternative Country Jazz, or something (I like him better earlier on, like on This Land and Have A Little Faith). And Madeleine Peyroux' Dreamland, with James Carter, Cyrus Chesnut, Marc Ribot, etc. But it's not bop, it's doing the Billie-meets-Patsy the way Norah's fans think she does. (MP's very belated new one doesn't seem as good, from the few tracks I've heard on the radio.)

― don, Tuesday, 1 March 2005 06:17 (twenty-one years ago)

You're right don. But just to run this topic to the ground- wasn't there a Charlie Haden album of spirituals, maybe with Hank Jones, on which he actually sang a few numbers, drawing on his early experience as a country singer with Uncle Carl Haden and the Haden Family?

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 06:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Under the Missouri Sky, I think.

Never heard it, but the description sounded interesting.

― Austin (Austin), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 06:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Steal Away, I think it was called. And it was more gospel than country. But as we said on the lost Country/Folk thread, all these things were kind of more connected than we might have realized back in the day, before they were separated like Siamese twins brought to the big city hospital.

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 06:42 (twenty-one years ago)

under the missouri sky was the album of duets with pat metheny.

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 06:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Where has it gone, all the beautiful music of our grandparents? It died with them, that's where it went.

― Austin (Austin), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 06:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, reply to Ken.

― Austin (Austin), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 06:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm a big fan of the only session GG did with Jimmy Smith, I'm Movin' On. It's nothing mind-blowing, exactly, but it's well worth seeking out.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 06:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey Gear! Sorry if we derailed your thread a little. Feel free to put it back on track.

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 06:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I still wanna get a description of what Sonny himself sounds like with GC (rather than let my fingers do the walkin' all the way to AMG, I'll be the lazy ILMer this time). Ken--Charlie sings on Under The Missouri Sky?? That I'd like to hear (although I seem to recall reading that he stopped singing cos got some childhood illness that permanently weakened his vocal cords, or so it seemed)('course that sort of voice never stopped Clapton, and in fact some of *his*gospelish stuff sounded pretty good, so...)

― don, Tuesday, 1 March 2005 07:14 (twenty-one years ago)

hey I'm just happy one of my jazz threads got into double digits on the responses!

Oh, Iron City is a great GG album too.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 07:19 (twenty-one years ago)

this is what Don wants--

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― Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 08:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Ken--Charlie sings on Under The Missouri Sky??
I don't know that record, don, it was Austin who mentioned it. He could be singing on it- he first started singing again on one of those Quartet West records.

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

its an album of duets between hayden & pat metheny. neither sings.

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks all yall, and yes I do want Buddy Emmons, Speedy West, more Vassar Clements (anybody ever heard one yclept Hillbilly Jazz, rec. and fav rvd.by Dan Hicks in Rolling Stone ca. early 70s? I haven't, but would like too; Vassar's great on "Kissimee Kid," on Dickey Betts' first solo album Highway Call, also from early 70s)(also I need to get something by Hank Garland, who passed recently)(Willie Nelsn's Night And Day is fairy jazzy, and his only all-instrumental album that I know of, though he's sung and played on swingin' "Lady Be Good," and several Bob Wills songs too)

― don, Wednesday, 2 March 2005 02:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Night And Day is fairly jazzy, not fairy (troll, mebbe, but only when he takes us to the bridge). Also, more non-bop, but post-harmolodic country blues,though mellower (musically, while darker moodwise) than his Odyssey, is Blood Ulmer's new Blues & Grass (credited to the 52nd St. Blues Project, as the very eventual Odyssey follow-up, Reunion, is credited to Odyssey The Band).

― don, Wednesday, 2 March 2005 03:18 (twenty-one years ago)

There's probably a lot more jazzy country than country-jazz.

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 04:40 (twenty-one years ago)

True, but for the former you mostly have to go back aways, except for neo-western swing, like Hot Club of Cowtown, or some stuff by Bela Fleck or David Grisman. Will Top Twenty Country discover jazz or jazziness, when they've worn out Lynyrd Skynyrd?

― don, Wednesday, 2 March 2005 05:38 (twenty-one years ago)

But say there Hurting, aren't you in a band that has something to do with John Fahey? (Although I have the notion that JF was as reluctant to admit jazz parallels in his work, and perhaps also country-per-se, beyond its bluegrass and blues input, as Sonny Sharrock was to acknowledge influence of rock-per-se). Some of Dylan's live stuff is like country-jazz or jazz-country, and Love & Theft even made some jazz crits' Top Tens, come to think of it. And some of the Dead's tuff is in there somewhere too, and the Garcia-Grisman discs, the duos more than Old And In the Way (the *later* duo discs can be pretty dire, though, mainly cos of Garcia's decline.)

― don, Wednesday, 2 March 2005 05:50 (twenty-one years ago)

(Justmy local jazz station is playing Grant Green with Babyface Willette on organ)

― don, Wednesday, 2 March 2005 06:10 (twenty-one years ago)

now that was a good session

― Grant Green's Ghost (Gear!), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 06:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Don, I would say Fahey is a big influence on my band, but I don't hear that much jazz in Fahey or in my band. I guess when I said jazzy country, I was thinking mainly of old bluegrass and western swing type stuff where there are improvised solo breaks, and one can hear the jazz influence in a lot of the solos. I could maybe see more of an argument for The Dead.

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 06:55 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...

I will restate my exclamations about the above: holy shit, this is fucking great.

― Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 18 July 2005 05:09 (twenty years ago)

Hurting, re jazzy country check out the Country All Stars' "Jazz From the Hills" on Bear Family -- Chet Atkins, Homer and Jethro, etc., all throwin' down acoustically. Lovely.

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Monday, 18 July 2005 05:44 (twenty years ago)

fahey had a dixieland album, sort of.

grant green is incredible.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 18 July 2005 06:15 (twenty years ago)

xpost:

Upon relistening to the Country All Stars, I have to also recommend Leon Redbone's first album, 'On the Track' (with Milt Hinton and Joe Venuti, among others). One of my favorite records of all time.

Forgive me:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000002KG2/ref=cm_rev_all_1/103-7639573-5138263?v=glance&s=music&vi=reviews

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Monday, 18 July 2005 06:20 (twenty years ago)

see also merle haggard's "i love dixie blues"

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 18 July 2005 06:20 (twenty years ago)

Yes! And any live show you can get to. He smoked when opening for Dylan in Seattle a few months ago . . . and a decade ago back in Virginia when I got to take my mom to see him.

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Monday, 18 July 2005 06:25 (twenty years ago)

I've been listening to Retrospective: 1961-1966 all week. Butter. Four discs of fucking butter.

― - (smile), Monday, 18 July 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)

Weird, my friend J just got me this for my birthday. It's great!

― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Monday, 18 July 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

I'm listening to it now.

It COOKS

and then

It CHILLS

― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 02:55 (twenty years ago)

Gotta check out Sonny Clark's "Cool Struttin'" on Blue Note.

― SoHoLa (SoHoLa), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 04:42 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

'green street' is pretty awesome!

― gear (gear), Saturday, 16 September 2006 07:04 (nineteen years ago)

sonny clark is great on this, been listening to it all week:

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― m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 16 September 2006 10:35 (nineteen years ago)

Ho snap, that looks like something I might have to pick up.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Saturday, 16 September 2006 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

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