Francophiles - what's really good?

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i was going through some old boxes and found this note this french lady i met on vacation gave me once. it was her recomendations of Frech artists i should check out. here's her notes, tell me what's really good.

Music from the 70s:
1. Michel Polnareff - He lives in LA & still sings, but his 60s & 70s music is much better. Excellent psychedelic stuff.
2. Serge Reggiani - Loveley Melodies, quite conservative. listen to "Sarah".
3. Michel Fugain - Great!
4. Leo Ferré - Prince of the Anarchists
5. Marie Laforêt - Romantic, simple songs.
6. Maxime Leforestier - Typical Hippie. Listen to "San Francisco," and "C'est un vrai Roman"
7. Of course Serge Gainsbourg, Jane Birkin, Dutronc, Françiose Hardy
(I already have stuff by these guys)

Music From the 80s
1. Charlélie Couture - "Le Pêlheur," Pochette Surprise," Crocodile"
2. Daniel Balavoine
3. Renaud*
4. Thiéfaine - "La Fille Du Coupeur de Joint"
5. Lavilliers - "Le Stéfanois"

* when my parents split when i was really young, my mom was totally sick of americans and was really into french culture. she actually was about to move us there, had me signed up for school, came back to pack up her bags and met my current stepfather. anyways, she has a Renaud record and a few Jacques Brel records. the Brel records always sounded kinda old time-y, sinatra-ish. the Renaud looked like a cheesy 80s leather clad rocker. i don't think i ever listened to it.

JaXoN Hole (JasonD), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

No Mylene Farmer?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

no Edith Nylon?

jbr (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:47 (twenty years ago)

I don't mind a bit of Jean Ferrat and Georges Moustaki.

Bumfluff, Monday, 28 February 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

i didn't write this letter, peoples

JaXoN Hole (JasonD), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

before you do anything else, get this:

http://www.mastertrax.com/imgs/catalogo/TSRCD005.jpg

jbr (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:50 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah I totally recommend that comp too, JaXoN.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

i think i remember reading about that. it's sorta italo/new wavey? sounds pretty rad

JaXoN Hole (JasonD), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:53 (twenty years ago)

If you like soundtracks with occasional sung versions of their films' themes by the likes of Bardot, Delon (!), etc. you can't go wrong with Francois De Roubaix. He was amazing.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:53 (twenty years ago)

"i think i remember reading about that. it's sorta italo/new wavey? sounds pretty rad"

Yeah, it's more early Human League-ish. Very cold, affected new wave (not new romantic style new wave.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)

Renaud looks cheesy 80s rocker but is actually more of a folk singer-songwriter. Great stuff.

The list is alright if you like 60s-70s singer songwriters. Leo Ferre is a must, especially if you understand French, the lyrics are simply poetry of the purest kind. Michel Fugain is alright. Maxime Leforestier does not rock my boat. Serge Reggiani, no, you can find better.

blawa (blawa), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:55 (twenty years ago)

it's more early Human League-ish

well good thing it's in french. i love that first HL album, just the lyrics are TERRIBLE

JaXoN Hole (JasonD), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:55 (twenty years ago)

The Ferré I've heard sounded rather fine - but I dunno which recording it was exactly (...70s?), for it was on a cassette a friend gave me some years ago...
Was spectacularly orchestrated, 's all I recall.

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)

I want that compilation, too!

5. Marie Laforêt - Romantic, simple songs.

This sounds good.

youn, Monday, 28 February 2005 21:57 (twenty years ago)

"well good thing it's in french. i love that first HL album, just the lyrics are TERRIBLE"

You'll like it then. They have copies at Amoeba in the misc European Rock section, I think.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:58 (twenty years ago)

yeah, the compilation is sort of rock-eno gone french, with a dark side.

jbr (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 28 February 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

and moderne's "switch on bach" reminds me of the synth sounds on devo's new traditionalists!

jbr (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 28 February 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)

so, can i assume from this list, that this girl is a little vanilla?

JaXoN Hole (JasonD), Monday, 28 February 2005 22:13 (twenty years ago)

It is a little vanilla, singer-songwriter stuff with beautiful writing but not a lot of punch. If you like Gainsbourg I would check early Jacques Dutronc definitly. Brassens is as good as Ferré, but a bit funnier and less depressing. Still, most of that stuff is acoustic guitars, a voice and very stripped down arrangements. I don't know how much of that would appeal to people who don't understand the lyrics.

I don't know but things like Les Ritas Mitsouko, Noir Désir, Stéphan Eicher, Plastique Bertrand, Jacques Higelin, Arthur H. definitly have more appeal on a strictly musical standpoint than most of those mentionned.

blawa (blawa), Monday, 28 February 2005 22:24 (twenty years ago)

I can recomend a few french canadian choice candidates and more recent stuff as well.

blawa (blawa), Monday, 28 February 2005 22:26 (twenty years ago)

I went to see Charles Asnavour on Broadway shortly before he died and it was a good show, but I couldn't tell you about any of his records.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

And where's Michael White on this thread? Does he even come to ILM?

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 22:32 (twenty years ago)

The Ultra Chicks albums are pretty awesome (various artists from the ye-ye '60s female pop).

zeus, Monday, 28 February 2005 22:32 (twenty years ago)

(xxpost) What? Aznavour passed away?? WHEN?! This is sad news to me, however late. I had no idea.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Monday, 28 February 2005 22:44 (twenty years ago)

cet outil de langue est la plus grande chose jamais! là où étiez vous, le google, quand j'étais dans la 7èmes catégorie et could've a fait quelques plaisanteries mauvaises!

latebloomer: Klicken für Details (latebloomer), Monday, 28 February 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)

so young but so cold so awesome!

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 28 February 2005 22:53 (twenty years ago)

xxpost:
Maybe not. He seems to still be going strong. I guess I mistook his show on Broadway closing for a larger termination that has thankfully not yet occurred. Sorry. I hope you didn't have a heart attack or anything.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 22:56 (twenty years ago)

No, I'm fine. But happier.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Monday, 28 February 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

I don't know but things like Les Ritas Mitsouko, Noir Désir, Stéphan Eicher, Plastique Bertrand, Jacques Higelin, Arthur H. definitly have more appeal on a strictly musical standpoint than most of those mentionned.

They all seem more accessible to Anglo-American musical tastes.

Marie Laforêt - Romantic, simple songs. Don't know if this is your thing, but I like many of her songs.
Maxime Leforestier - Typical Hippie. Listen to "San Francisco," and "C'est un vrai Roman" "San Francisco" used to make me wistful sometimes when I heard it on French radio. My ex's dad was a big fan of one of his albums from the late 80's.

Renaud cultivated a trashy look but he was an interesting personality and occasionaly genius lyricist. I have no idea whatsoever what he's up to now. Unless your French is really good, I wouldn't suggest him 'cause his music is fairly standard musette-type stuff, but have you ever heard of Boby Lapointe? Anybody care for Autour de Lucie?

Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 28 February 2005 23:15 (twenty years ago)

i saw autour de lucie at a free concert about 10 years ago. they weren't bad. they were very of-their-time.

jbr (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 28 February 2005 23:27 (twenty years ago)

I liked Autour de Lucie at the time. I bought two of their albums. But ultimately I can't decide whether I am giving them extra points for singing in French.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 23:29 (twenty years ago)

They have a couple of songs that have really grown on me. To the point that they, though not the rest of the albums, are on my ipod.

Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 28 February 2005 23:31 (twenty years ago)

"L'accord parfait"?

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 23:38 (twenty years ago)

this Polnareff album sounds like the bee's knees

JaXoN Hole (JasonD), Monday, 28 February 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

'Le Salon', 'Qu'Avons-Nous Fait', 'Chanson Sans Issue (Ne Vois-Tu Pas)'.

Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 28 February 2005 23:42 (twenty years ago)

I recommend Juliet Greco, unless you are only asking for modern stuff. There are quite a few CD comps available, but I've been able to find about a lot of vinyl as well. She's old school chanson, very dramatic, very very French.

Francois Breut is a newer artist worth checking out as well.

I'm guessing Keren Ann and Coralie Clement are well covered elsewhere, but I'll drop them in just in case...

Garibaldianne (Garibaldianne), Monday, 28 February 2005 23:50 (twenty years ago)

Les Thugs etait bon!

Ben Dot (1977), Monday, 28 February 2005 23:54 (twenty years ago)

Renaud actually released an album just a few months ago. Not much has changed except that he sobered up and doesn't wear the leather jacket anymore but the songs are pretty similar.

blawa (blawa), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 00:10 (twenty years ago)

A friend played some Renaud for me & I couldn't tolerate it at all. eeep. (Yes, I understood the lyrics.)

Search: Brigitte Fontaine! Especially Fontaine + Sonic Youth, "Demi clocharde," terrific song.

Also search: French hip hop. I'm not really au courant on that right now (I do like La Rumeur, Disiz la Peste.. and maybe pick up a mix from Busta Flex?) but you can go to www.skyrock.fr for the big Paris hip hop station, they play a lot of American hip hop but plenty of francophone stuff too.

daria g (daria g), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 01:14 (twenty years ago)

Heldon, Lard Free, Spacecraft, Archaia, Patrick Vian, Philippe Besombes, Pierre Henry.

Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 06:47 (twenty years ago)

Re(y)naud? Doesn't that mean "the fox"? As in "the Pinefox," perhaps?

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 06:55 (twenty years ago)

Hello all,

I'm a mid 90s fan - who can remember the song that starts off "Je m'en fuis, rien ne peut cacher mon bonheur..." and the chorus is "partir seule...". I'd like to get my hands on that one, but I can;t find who sings it.

Also, does anyone have Bisso Na Bisso. I've only heard the title track (which was great), but before expensively importing the CD would like to know if its any good.

Heh, and I remember Steffen Eicher - "Je suis tombe pour elle..." didn't he do that one. I just stumbled on this site and it's brought back lots of good memories.

Mr Smith, Tuesday, 1 March 2005 11:32 (twenty years ago)

To semi-echo Ned's Mylene Farmer tip, she has also written loads for Alizee who does some really beautiful late 90s/early 00s pop.

Nick H (Nick H), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 11:36 (twenty years ago)

francois de roubaix! pretty much anything before his death in...74?, but search out the soundtracks for Les Amis, Les Aventuriers, La Scoumoune, Les Caids and Boulevard du Rhum first. he is probably my favourite artist

ilkley lido (gareth), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 11:54 (twenty years ago)

heldon and fontaine recommendations heartily seconded!

jbr (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

Renard is Fox. Renaud is a derivative of the car...

blawa (blawa), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

Autour de Lucie's pretty enjoyable. Francoiz Breut is fabulous from what little I've heard. Zebda is essential.

Ian Riese-Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

Zebda is a very good idea. Manu Chao, les Négresses Vertes and most of the IAM gang have very good albums, expecially Akhenaton. MC Solaar's early albums were better than most hip hop worldwide. Essential: M, or Mathieu Chedid if you like. Also: Tryo.

blawa (blawa), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

Also, does anyone have Bisso Na Bisso.
YEAH! It's a good album overall, with a few brilliant tracks.

'nother recommendation - Volapük, funtabulous improvisors.

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 23:22 (twenty years ago)

M is great - check out "Onde sensuelle."

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 23:24 (twenty years ago)

HOLY CRAP THIS IS SO GOOD!!

JEAN-CLAUDE VANNIER
L' Enfant Assassin des Mouches

http://realaudio01.datapipe.net:8080/ramgen/othermusic/lenfanta.rm
http://realaudio01.datapipe.net:8080/ramgen/othermusic/mortduro.rm

It sounds too good to be true. Serge Gainsbourg's Histoire de Melody Nelson had a follow-up! But maybe I should backtrack...

Jean-Claude Vannier was a self-taught musician and a collaborator on many of Gainsbourg's celebrated soundtracks (Cannabis, Les Chemins de Katmandou). He was also the arranger of the aforementioned Melody Nelson. That album has always been a "must have" for record collectors of rock, rare groove, funk and French pop. Placed over a psychedelic, orchestral backdrop of swooping strings, funky backbeats, fuzzy guitars and male choruses, Gainsbourg's mostly spoken word story of a fictional encounter with a young English girl is considered by many to be one of the best and most original concept albums ever made.

The problem was trying to find a decent follow-up to this tour de force. Not to say that Gainsbourg didn't create some fine post-Nelson music; it's just that he never really returned to that crazy, crazy orch-funk style and left many fans craving a sound from an era that was never really revisited again…Or was it?
In 1972, a teeny French label gave the now in-demand arranger/producer an opportunity to produce a solo album. This time around, Vannier took the innovative sound of Melody Nelson and pushed it even further. The idea was to create an avant-garde ballet score that combined the musique concrete and Orchestra Klaxon ideas that he was exploring at the time with the sound he was primarily known for.
What came out was this phenomenal record. The classic Melody Nelson elements are all here, but with more of a dark, experimental edge. The album didn't fare too well due in part to all of his unbridled experimentation; and the nebulous artwork (featuring the nude arranger on the beach, and macabre liner notes written by Serge Gainsbourg) didn't help either.
You can hear traces of Isaac Hayes, Hermann Nitsch, Galt MacDermot, David Axelrod, Barry White and Xenakis in this piece -- it's that eff-in' good! But to compare this record to any one of those artists would be wrong. Vannier is an innovator in his own right and maybe this record, paired with the classic Melody Nelson, will give him some well-deserved aplomb that the aforementioned artists have enjoyed for quite awhile. [DH]

JaXoN Hole (JasonD), Thursday, 3 March 2005 03:58 (twenty years ago)

This is a great thread. I love notes people write you with stuff to check out, and it's rare to actually get to see someone else's! I've learned a lot already, reading this.

the lido isn't lying about Roubaix, he went off to me one night at Fabric about this guy, how he's still trying to track down all his stuff.

I'll add one here:

Saian Supa Crew (the first album; it's incredible incredible rap music)

And I'll second Michael White's Boby Lapointe nomination, although it's seriously loopy ridiculous stuff that makes you want to go ride a bicycle and make ridiculous passes at girls that fail and then you'll roll your eyes and do a big shoulder shrug and take a big bite of a baguette and wipe your hand on your moustache. It almost sounds like music for children, which is part of the joke: a lot of the lyrics have double meanings.. "La Maman des Poissons" for instance

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 3 March 2005 06:02 (twenty years ago)

might as well links these threads, although it looks like it's already been covered.

Jean-Claude Vannier - L'Enfant Assassin des Mouches [Re-issue]

poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 3 March 2005 06:04 (twenty years ago)

did someone dismiss serge reggiani?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 3 March 2005 06:26 (twenty years ago)

somehow a year or two ago i downloaded a cds worth of Roubaix tracks off some website linked to from ILM. that was probably Gareth's, huh? pretty rad stuff, i need to pull it out again.

JaXoN Hole (JasonD), Thursday, 3 March 2005 07:06 (twenty years ago)

yea, that was mine!

charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 3 March 2005 10:44 (twenty years ago)

Skyrock plays half-baked, ridiculous French rap and r&b. Definitely not a reference in terms of good french music.

Really worth-checking:

Rita Mitsouko
Christophe
Gerard Manset
Taxi Girl
Etienne Daho
Bertrand Burgalat
Michel Polnareff
Richard Gotainer
The Michel Legrand soundtrack to Les Demoiselles de Rochefort
Barbara

The best French rap group ever is NTM, four consistently excellent albums.

Etienne Menu (Etienne), Thursday, 3 March 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)


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