Pet Theory III: Formation, Mutation, ApplicationPet Theory III: Formation, Mutation, ApplicationPet Theory III: Formation, Mutation, Application

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Pet Theory III: Formation, Mutation, Application Every newly minted musical act goes through three distinct stages. The first if developmental stage called Formation. This is where they start out as naive and sloppy, not exaclty sure what kind of music they are playing and are not really that skilled with their instruments. In the formation stage they are commited to playing one (vaguely defined) kind of music. Everything else is outside of their attention.
The second stage comes when they gain a bit more competence...er...I mean, confidence in their abilities. This also causes another change. They become less dogmatic about genres and ideas from outside of their "pet" genre or style. "Hey, Genre Y ain't as bad as I thought. Lets put some of that in our mix."
But because they aren't as well acquainted with Genre Y as they are with Genre X, they make interesting serindipitous discoveries. This is the Mutation stage.
When they exhaust all the possible "Genre Y's" that can possibly interest them, they finally form a sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-style that uniquely their own.
And now that they have mastered their specific sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-style they proceed to ram it into the ground. This is the Application Stage.
Any act that has enough talent to make an album worth hearing will tend to make their two best (or at least most interesting) albums at the cusp between Formation and Mutation and between Mutation and Application.
The album made at the Formation/Mutation Cusp is what I call their "Punk Protest Album"; this is where they codify the core of their musical ethos and create their boldest, spunkiest and most viscerally appealing record. They might still be primitve, but by now they know where their headed.
(Examples: Revolver, Murmur, War, Master of Puppets.)
The album made at the Mutation/Application Cusp is what I call their "Pop Concept Album"; this is where they master the subtler details of their sound and use up every bit of ear candy in their bag of tricks. This is generally their most well thought out, 'sophisticated' and most well produced album.
(Examples: Seargent Pepper, Automatic for the People, The Joshua Tree, ...and Justice for All.)
After this, they generally end up making an unending stream of increasingly inferior copies of this album until they sink into irrelevance or obscurity.
(Examples: Let it Be, Reveal, Rattle & Hum, Load.)

Side Note: I have noticed that U2 and Metallica are not all that popular on this forum, but you have to admit one thing...both bands were able to (temporarily) suspend their descent into Application Stage Irrelevance & Obscurity.

Lord Custos, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My Bloody Valentine: Phase I = Isn't Anything, Phase II = Loveless, Phase III = never released; ergo, MBV = geniuses. Yes, I shall borrow this theory, and claim it unto myself.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Lord Custos is the Interweb spirit of Aleister Crowley! He is going to tell us all our "true" names!

Tracer Hand, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

MBV = stunted development, ha ha ha!

Josh, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

*weeps*

Ned Raggett, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tracer Hand: Thy True Name is Percy Umblestoat Jr. I now own your soul. If you want your soul back contact me via email to negotiate a ransom drop.

Lord Custos, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ned, surely Phase I of MBV is the pre-Isn't Anything stuff, IA is on or slightly past the I->II cusp, and Loveless on the II->III cusp?

OleM, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You're calling This is Your Bloody Valentine 'their boldest, spunkiest and most viscerally appealing record' that shows they 'know where they're headed'? I'd have to disagree. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Maybe not "boldest" or "spunkiest" but definitely "most primitive."
Hell they only did, what, 300 overdubs per track on that first record ? Instead of 3000. (Probably cost alot less than 500,000 lbs sterling to make than Loveless.) No, I suspect that MBV hasn't had a chance to to see this pattern come to full fruition...yet. The sooner Kevin gets his act together and makes more records we'll see whats what.
Again, this phenomenon is easier to spot with acts with LONG discographies. MBV only had thre full albums.
Here's a horrifying thought: Maybe Loveless IS their simple/off-the-cuff "punk" record. Maybe tahts why its taking so long to make the followup. Its a 69 Love Songs sized monstrosity, thats taking a decade to make and costing some poor bastard 7,000,000 lbs sterling to produce.

Lord Custos, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Here's another example: Compare Smashing Pumpkins Gish with Mellon Collie & the Infinite Sadness.
Horrifying thought #2: Kevin Shields if making his own Mellon Collie... and has borrowed Billy Corgan to help him.

Brrrrr.

Try and sleep restfully with that thought running around in yer head.

Lord Custos, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ned, surely Phase I of MBV is the pre-Isn't Anything stuff, IA is on or slightly past the I->II cusp, and Loveless on the II->III cusp?
Thats what we'd all like to know.

Here's a couple more examples.
Cocteau Twins
Punk: Treasure
Pop:Heaven or Las Vegas

Siouxsie & The Banshees
Punk: The Scream
Pop:Peepshow

Cure (Sad Sack Versions)
Punk: Pornography
Pop:Disintegration

Rolling Stones
Punk: Aftermath
Pop:Exile on Main Street

The Who
Punk: ...Sings My Generation
Pop:Quadrophenia

Lord Custos, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Try and sleep restfully with that thought running around in yer head.

Y'all trying to *scare* me, Lord Custos? That sounds like heaven on a stick to me!

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

This seems to be a mainly 80s thing - think also Replacements, Meat Puppets, Soul Asylum, and even/especially Van Halen, Motley Crue, the Cult etc (which also means its a 'rock' as opposed to 'pop' thing), which leads me to believe that this phenomenon was a product of other cultural/economic/whatever-was-influential factors of the time, rather than a model of bands per se. Career paths have varied since then, one of the most interesting new ones being the slow-acting poison model (release one album to respectable level of acclaim, lie low for five years to be received as prodigal messiahs with exploding sales/cred - see Tool, Weezer)

dave q, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The slow acting poison model ain't that bad a notion. If you read Julian Cope's autobio you'll find he actually planned on doing something just like that after Skellington and Droolian were declared to be Smile-esque Cult Classics just because the record label wouldn't release them.
I also dig the story where he planned on releasing an album onto to one small town in Texas.
Question is, how many of these schemes really took place and how many are spindrift from one of his acid flashbacks?

Lord Custos, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Aaaargh! Goddamned HT Friggin' ML!

Lord Custos, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

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Lord Custos, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Test Test One Two One Two

Lord Custos, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

dave q - cf. Lauryn Hill, though in her case expectations have been built so high I think she's destined to fail. with Tool and Weezer everyone had just forgotten about them.

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Surely not all the people who bought their records and made them the 'surprise' sales successes that they were.

Josh, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

three months pass...
Husker Du: Zen Arcade = punk, Warehouse = pop. and Abbey Road is miles better than Sgt Pepper but let's not argue about that

Keith McDougall, Wednesday, 17 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)


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