Where is the LOVE for Cirith Ungol?

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In the desperate days of early-80's American indie metal Cirith Ungol carried the torch. "Frost & Fire!" Did it suck or was it good time rock and roll? Who cared? We'd buy anything, especially if it had art
by Frank Frazetta.

Cirith Ungol Fun Fact: P. J. Galligan, Angry Samoan guitarist who played on "Back from Samoa" and parts of "Inside My Brain" was once in Cirith Ungol!

Second Cirith Ungol Fun Moment: In Jasper & Oliver's "International Encyclopedia of Hard Rock & Heavy Metal" -- copyright 1983 -- Cirith Ungol's entry reads:

Originally a five piece, Cirith Ungol released their own label album in 1981 [on Liquid Flames, later on Metal Blade]. The album has a very nice Gothic cover but has been described as the worst heavy metal album ever. Since the album was released the band has improved.

Elric of Melnibone, Sunday, 6 March 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

Cirith Ungol never carried art by Frazetta. It's Whelan.
But I LUV this band, yes. The gloom, the doom, Tim Baker's screech...

Roger in Mokum (Roger T), Sunday, 6 March 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

Cirith Ungol never carried art by Frazetta. It's Whelan.

Details. However, if part of the plan was to trick people into purchasing who liked Frazetta, it worked! I liked it so much I'm going to buy it again. I should have never lost it.

George Smith, Sunday, 6 March 2005 21:39 (twenty years ago)

I never knew what to do with this band. According to the press, they sucked. But I was sucked into their albums anyway, by the artwork (indeed!) and the non-metal look of the band (they're more hippie-like). It took King of the Dead 15 years to become a personal favorite. Flangy doom metal, very unique, very good. After this album the band still had its moments, especially on One Foot in Hell. Vocalist Baker ruined his voice with smoking, which made his high pitched screeching more painfully eerie and, therefore, better and better.

Roger in Mokum (Roger T), Sunday, 6 March 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

Where is the love for Lizzy Borden? Where is the love for Bitch? Where is the love for Cryptic Slaughter? where is the love for all those low budget metal groups I used to see ads for in the back of Circus magazine??

Stormy Davis (diamond), Sunday, 6 March 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

I had great love for Bitch. "Be My Slave" -- I annoyed my ex-wife with it. "You will be a victim of my unruly rage!" If you had any love for S&M cycle slut/motorcycle sex hag fantasies, you had to have the first Bitch record.

But back to Cirith Ungol! They simply do not get the credit they deserve in the historical tree of doom rock. There was great honor in being shelled frequently and not diverting from the course. They stubbornly polished their attribute as an aquired taste.

Lizzy Borden perhaps do not need as much love. I regularly see reissues of some of their LPs in rekkid stores.

George Smith, Sunday, 6 March 2005 21:57 (twenty years ago)

Elric, how fare The Hawk Lords?

she lob more cock, Sunday, 6 March 2005 23:27 (twenty years ago)

Hawklords rool. Look at the price on that baby.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000008QMV/qid=1110158523/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/002-7288918-3236029?v=glance&s=music

Elric of Melnibone, Monday, 7 March 2005 01:23 (twenty years ago)

shit, that's nothing compared to this!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000070SO/qid=1110158886/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/103-4204839-3895845?v=glance&s=music

Stormy Davis (diamond), Monday, 7 March 2005 01:28 (twenty years ago)

cirith ungol rule. they're actually from my hometown in california. once i was backstage at a show and answered a ringing payphone and it was the drummer for the band. clearly, destiny. i think they had really bad luck on the label front.

also:
http://homepage1.nifty.com/hawkwind/japanesesite/discography/hawklords.jpg

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Monday, 7 March 2005 01:36 (twenty years ago)

Cirith Ungol is one of my all-time favourite heavy metal groups - not many albums are cooler than "Frost and Fire" and "King of the Dead". I didn't know ANYONE thought they sucked. Good lord, WHY?

Pangolino again, Monday, 7 March 2005 01:37 (twenty years ago)

Good lord, WHY?

General disrespect for indie metal in early 80's. Moorcock-themed cover art. Daring to be taken for fools. Many reasons, take your pick.

George Smith, Monday, 7 March 2005 01:41 (twenty years ago)

trick people into purchasing

C'mon now -- those Cirith covers were also used on classic Moorcock paperbacks. What did Frazetta ever do for metal? Molly Hatchet? Nazareth? Danzig?

The love for Cirith is in the bottom of a murky bong. They were the pet band of the best '80s weirdo metal fanzine ever, Indianapolis' SUCK CITY.

Their business situation wasn't the worst; they appeared on Metal Massacre I with Metallica, Ratt, and Yngwie. They were on Enigma throughout the 80s. They were powerful, but hopelessly anti-trend.

The love for Cryptic Slaughter is in a Nuclear Assault vs. Celtic Frost thread that needs reviving. That's where Repulsion love goes, too.

There's a 2XCD early Cirith compilation out with the original rich thubby analog keyboard parts in every song. Yeah!!!

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Monday, 7 March 2005 02:02 (twenty years ago)

ihttp://www.cirith-ungol.dragonight.de/l2.jpg

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Monday, 7 March 2005 02:13 (twenty years ago)

I want to hear 'em.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 7 March 2005 02:18 (twenty years ago)

What did Frazetta ever do for metal? Molly Hatchet? Nazareth? Danzig?

There you go. Art, pulps, mags, Kultur und Kitsch.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Frank+Frazetta%22+%22heavy+metal%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&start=20&sa=N

And not neglecting Michael Whelan, the poor man's Frazetta.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Michael+Whelan%22+%22heavy+metal%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&start=40&sa=N

George Smith, Monday, 7 March 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

michael whelan lived in my town growing up. he was nice. his wife, who modelled for him, looked exactly like all his blonde buxom fantasy ladies. or his fantasy ladies all looked like his wife, i guess.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

my brother's big score was to get todd schorr to give him permission to use one of todd's paintings for a bunnybrains album cover. he did blue oyster cult's some enchanted evening cover. and ac/dc's fly on the wall cover.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

Oh, the one hidden inside the pink vinyl cover? A fez-wearing rabbit in LSD casbah? That was some packaging, considering what was inside -- essentially a Bunny Brains album.

Anyway, I read a very enthusiastic review of Cirith's King of the Dead in an oooold fanzine this morning. It basically said screw the Kerrang! review, those guys are idiots and this rules, then went on to compare the guitar playing to old Mercyful Fate. (pre-Melissa old) So there was definitely a funky true core of metal freaks that knew what was up. Same people who supported Manilla Road, Avatar, and eventually Saint Vitus.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Monday, 7 March 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

So there was definitely a funky true core of metal freaks that knew what was up. Same people who supported Manilla Road, Avatar, and eventually Saint Vitus.

I think that nails it. Probably with a fondness for Reagers edition Vitus.

George Smith, Monday, 7 March 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

"Oh, the one hidden inside the pink vinyl cover? A fez-wearing rabbit in LSD casbah?"

actually, the one in the pink vinyl sleeve, the matador one, was done by new yorker cartoonist jack ziegler.it's a cartoon of bunny-shaped brains on a plate. the one with the animal in the fez (a duck i think) was on blackjack.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 7 March 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

http://www.slippytown.com/bunbrain.jpg

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Thursday, 10 March 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

Ha ha, Cirith cover connections:

http://www.rockhard.de/images/cirith_ungol_onefootinhell_k.jpg

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Thursday, 10 March 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

holy shit this is the greatest band i've ever heard

chaki, Sunday, 4 November 2007 20:41 (seventeen years ago)

how come no one ever told me about this band wtf. this is amazing.

chaki, Sunday, 4 November 2007 20:43 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah I was rocking Frost & Fire last week, they totally bring it.

Noodle Vague, Sunday, 4 November 2007 20:45 (seventeen years ago)

damn dood you're always on top of it. im listening to king of the undead really loud its kicking my ass.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9065/cirithungolkingcd300eh8.jpg

chaki, Sunday, 4 November 2007 20:54 (seventeen years ago)

It's cos teenage D&D nerd me was into stuff like this when my mates were getting into Ratt.

Noodle Vague, Sunday, 4 November 2007 21:05 (seventeen years ago)

the chorus bass is so thick and new wave sounding. the riffs are so doomy.

chaki, Sunday, 4 November 2007 21:16 (seventeen years ago)

im not giving up on you, cirith ungol

chaki, Monday, 5 November 2007 04:36 (seventeen years ago)

I've been listening to these guys & Sadist almost every day for a month

J0hn D., Monday, 5 November 2007 04:43 (seventeen years ago)

high five bro

chaki, Monday, 5 November 2007 04:44 (seventeen years ago)

seriously chak it's weird that you would start this thread! I never knew about CU back in the day, I'd see their records in the stacks but never listened, and then a month ago I was like "I'm gonna check that shit out" and BAM, they rule

dudes are way bitter about how shit panned out for them though

J0hn D., Monday, 5 November 2007 04:47 (seventeen years ago)

all metal dudes seem too. i guess one dude ended up in angry samoans according to original post. ned raggett would love these guys!

chaki, Monday, 5 November 2007 05:00 (seventeen years ago)

Hahah, I'm listening to them now! YouTube is handy that way.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 November 2007 05:01 (seventeen years ago)

i put this album in leonardo. you need to hear the album.

chaki, Monday, 5 November 2007 06:06 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqUYzQxBwG4 <---lol awesome

chaki, Monday, 5 November 2007 06:09 (seventeen years ago)

Leonardo? You gots to tell me what that is.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 November 2007 06:11 (seventeen years ago)

go over to noise dudes, ned. you'll see it.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Monday, 5 November 2007 06:56 (seventeen years ago)

How handy. Thanks!

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 November 2007 07:01 (seventeen years ago)

I can't understand why the AMG reviews are still so sniffy about them. Dude's got a great voice, reminds me of Geddy Lee's lower register.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 5 November 2007 08:08 (seventeen years ago)

Fifty bucks on Amazon.

Formerly Elric

Gorge, Monday, 5 November 2007 17:32 (seventeen years ago)

woah! they sound WAY better on vinyl anyway! frost and fire has been leonardo'd !!

chaki, Monday, 5 November 2007 17:55 (seventeen years ago)

I miss Cirith Ungol. The only time I ever got ripped off in a trade was when I traded two of their albums for Rotting Corpse's "Dreaming With the Dead."
Goddamn Danish motherfucker! I guess it was punishment for willingly parting myself with my CU.

WAUHLOWAAAH[1] THE BLACK MACHINE
FILLS YOUR HEAD WITH EVIL DREAMS!
FILLS YOUR HEAD WITH BUTSOBAYAAAA[2]
WHEN ESCAPE YOUR ONE DESAYYYAAAAAAAH

Classic, oh yes. Some day I will have that shit in my collection once more. These guys were huge with everyone I knew who was into the doom thing. Like Candlemass were our Iron Maiden, Cirith Ungol were our Judas Priest.
We're living on a doooooooooomed planet!

[1] Uh, I never looked it up on the lyrics sheet, but it sounds -nothing- like "c'mon and ride" like it does later in the song.
[2] Uh.

Øystein, Monday, 5 November 2007 18:10 (seventeen years ago)

Just starting to listen to Frost And Fire now. Very excellent Sad Wings Of Destiny-style stuff. I like this a bunch.

unperson, Monday, 5 November 2007 19:04 (seventeen years ago)

oysten you can listen to them today!

chaki, Monday, 5 November 2007 19:18 (seventeen years ago)

Rotting Corpse's "Dreaming With the Dead."

if i may pedant: RIPPING corpse, ya mean. rotting corpse were from texas and only put out demo tapes until relatively recently.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Monday, 5 November 2007 23:05 (seventeen years ago)

Great band. Some crazy guy on the Internet introduced me to them, for which I am forever grateful. I knew someone who played in a new band with Greg Lindstrom, so when I saw them live I had Greg autograph my CD copy of King of the Dead.

Jeff Treppel, Monday, 5 November 2007 23:10 (seventeen years ago)

rotting christ is good too! jeff thats AWESOME!

chaki, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 17:58 (seventeen years ago)

The 2-for-1 CD I have of Frost / King is beyond awesome, even though it's ripped from crackly vinyl. The one guy I met who had a vinyl copy of Frost & Fire for trade was subsequently arrested for raping 8 year old Muslim girls. I know it's irrelevant, I just wanted to mention it.

Matt #2, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 19:03 (seventeen years ago)

Uh.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 19:06 (seventeen years ago)

the thread that keeps on giving!

chaki, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 19:07 (seventeen years ago)

This thread now makes me sorry for Cirith Ungol. Some day a member will be googling and this is what they'll find. The giving away of their music, royalty free, and talk about a dribble of fans who are crazy or rapists.

Gorge, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 19:26 (seventeen years ago)

What a morale builder.

Gorge, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 19:27 (seventeen years ago)

first off the shit is outta print. secondly they are in successful punk band angry samoans.

chaki, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 19:32 (seventeen years ago)

Admirable but not quite. Cirith Ungol are not the Angry Samoans. Even the Angry Samoans aren't in the Angry Samoans. The current band is Metal Mike Saunders, drummer Bill Vockeroth and a couple of hack sidemen.

One of the original guitarists for the old Samoans, PJ Galligan, was in Cirith Ungol very early on. That was what he told me many years ago. And that was before they started making records. Apparently their first name was Titanic.

Here.

And here's a nice piece.

Gorge, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 19:48 (seventeen years ago)

oops

chaki, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 19:49 (seventeen years ago)

Metal Blade re-released that stuff on CD in '99. I only see "One foot in hell" for sale on MB's website now though. I have seen the first two records in stores as late as a few months ago though.

Øystein, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 19:53 (seventeen years ago)

The second is a good interview with the drummer who was the band's lynchpin, according to him. Anyway, he mentions Greenworld who backed their first record and then screwed them over. I recall I bought my copies of Frost and Fire and Motley Crue's first directly from Greenworld. At the time I thought Cirith Ungol was revolutionary stuff. And then you get middle-aged and you can only remember that you felt that way, not how it felt.

Gorge, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 19:58 (seventeen years ago)

IM FEELING THAT WAY RIGHT NOW!

chaki, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 20:01 (seventeen years ago)

Hey, we aren't crazy/rapists! I think. But the guy who introduced me to them (he sent me an MP3 of "Master of the Pit" with the note "this is the heaviest stuff ever") was an Alan Moore-looking neopagan who claimed to live in a commune somewhere in Washington. Nice guy, don't get me wrong, but a little on the weird side. Great taste in music, though!

Jeff Treppel, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 20:07 (seventeen years ago)

Also, the copy I have is the Metal Blade reissue, totally legal and sounds pretty good.

Jeff Treppel, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 20:09 (seventeen years ago)

two months pass...

Loving King of the Dead!!!!

chaki, Friday, 1 February 2008 00:33 (seventeen years ago)

As well you should. That proves you have ears and cognitive reasoning abilities.

Jeff Treppel, Friday, 1 February 2008 00:37 (seventeen years ago)

six months pass...

Are Manilla Road this good?

BigLurks, Monday, 18 August 2008 16:26 (sixteen years ago)

well, they're really fucking good. but in a more epic way. people'll tell you to check out crystal logic first but i actually recommend their 1980 album, invasion - a little rougher, less proggy and you got an all-time classic in "street jammer."

if you do want to jump in hip-deep, though, open the gates is my personal favorite these days. rougher than c. logic, a little thrashy.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Monday, 18 August 2008 16:47 (sixteen years ago)

actually, just check out open the gates unless you're into 70s-ish heavy metal that sounds kinda basementy.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Monday, 18 August 2008 16:50 (sixteen years ago)

Well, I'm prog as fuck (I saw Dream Theater as a youngster!), and amazon had Crystal Logic for cheaper, so I've just gone for that one. Will keep an eye for the others, though. Thanks.

BigLurks, Monday, 18 August 2008 18:45 (sixteen years ago)

holy crap the Manilla Road myspace site is amazing

BigLurks, Monday, 18 August 2008 18:52 (sixteen years ago)

one month passes...

finally got paradise lost, the disclaimed last album. it's alright. you know. apparently the label that did this reissue (noble rot) also did one foot in hell and frost and fire in 2007. which will be nice to get because cassettes ain't gonna last forever.

REIGN IN FUDGE (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 13 October 2008 16:47 (sixteen years ago)

seven months pass...

blair underwood: "man up" (omar little), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 01:29 (sixteen years ago)

Awesome!!

Matt #2, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 01:37 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

I FEEL IT BURNING
AND I FEEL THE FREEZE
THE FROST, THE FIRE
IT BURNS INSIDE OF ME

born in a test tube, rrraised in a cage (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 21 March 2011 04:50 (fourteen years ago)

haven't heard much else from this band but frost and fire is a pretty bitchin' album

it's not in the Wu-Tang Manual (latebloomer), Monday, 21 March 2011 06:12 (fourteen years ago)

take it to i \m/ metal

max, Monday, 21 March 2011 06:13 (fourteen years ago)

u mutha

The Lamp of Thoth's cover of "Frost and Fire" is also pretty great, in a trad/doom way.

born in a test tube, rrraised in a cage (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 21 March 2011 08:00 (fourteen years ago)

Listening to "One Foot In Hell," going for a hat trick.

born in a test tube, rrraised in a cage (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 21 March 2011 08:22 (fourteen years ago)

j3ff t wrote about cirith ungol in his Decibel column

Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 21 March 2011 14:43 (fourteen years ago)

eleven months pass...

I bought the Servant of Chaos comp some time ago (more or less when I discovered Manilla Road's Invasion) and found it irresistably weird. First two albums are great and now sound fresher than a lot of other contemporary stuff, and the singing was spectacular too: impossible for me to understand all the hate.

Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 15:39 (thirteen years ago)

the pre-Frost & Fire stuff on the recent Servants of Chaos reissue truly is some of the weirdest shit I've ever heard in my life. These guys have basically become one of my favorite bands, they're just so bizarre & great.

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 15:43 (thirteen years ago)

Was there ever a thread for Manilla Road and the sorta stuff Shadow Kingdom's always reissuing? Where is a place with people talking about Slauter Xtroyes?

CharlieS, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 01:15 (thirteen years ago)

the rolling metal thread mentions a fair bit of that. shadow kingdom takes a fair bit of my money every year

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 01:36 (thirteen years ago)

Where is a place with people talking about Slauter Xtroyes?

I'll pretty much talk about them anywhere.

Manilla Road's Crystal Logic just getting reissued, anyone who doesn't have it better get it.

Any if you guys heard Sarcofagus from Finland? It's almost more 70s heavy rock sounding, still really cool stuff. Especially "Envoy of Death."

Will the waveform be unbroken? (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 07:01 (thirteen years ago)

Also, this is a pretty good all-purpose obscure old metal thread:

Budgie -- Diamond Head -- Obscure Heavy Metal (RFI)

Will the waveform be unbroken? (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 07:03 (thirteen years ago)

got it. and the other reissue too. according to bill magill i talk about manilla road on the metal threads way too much

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 07:04 (thirteen years ago)

He's wrong. Anything that breaks up the "just downloaded the new promo of..." torrent is cool w/me.

Will the waveform be unbroken? (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 07:24 (thirteen years ago)

eight years pass...

posts that v much fit dn (the OP)

genital giant (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 April 2020 01:21 (five years ago)

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXad-fBSncE is my favourite metal song

even the birds in the trees seemed to whisper "get fucked" (bovarism), Saturday, 9 April 2022 00:14 (three years ago)

HE IS THE HERO OF THE ATOM AGE
BORN IN A TEST TUBE, RRRAISED IN A CAGE

made entirely of styrofoam (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 12 April 2022 11:36 (three years ago)


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