Defend the Indefensible: Frank Zappa's lyrics

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I know there are 19 other FZ threads, including at least two straight-up "C/D" threads, but this is specifically about Zappa's lyrics. For the most part, they're crap, of course, but every now and then he produced some good ones. "Sleeping in a Jar" is just a single bizarre image, more effective because there's no explanation behind it. And I think "Charva" is actually very clever and hilarious, with a reference to the singer's girlfriend's father in each verse.

Are there any Zappa lyrics you like, or do you listen to FZ the composer/player?

Curious George Rides a Republican (Rock Hardy), Monday, 7 March 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

Eisbar to thread.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 7 March 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)

I remember him on Old Grey, (1979 or thereabouts) explaining that he quite liked "I live in a car" by the UK subs. "You like punk/UK Subs then" said she. "No", he patiently but patronisingly explained, "just "I live in a car".

So, when did he write "I sleep in a jar" then?

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 7 March 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)

"Sleeping in a Jar" is from Uncle Meat, written and recorded late '67/early '68. Boiled down, the lyric goes, "It's the middle of the night, and your mommy and your daddy are sleeping in a jar. The jar is under the bed."

Curious George Rides a Republican (Rock Hardy), Monday, 7 March 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)

Fair enough. Maybe that's why he liked that UK subs track in particular.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 7 March 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

"A year ago today
Was when you went away
But now you come back knockin' on my door
And you say you're back to stay,
But I say...
Go cry
On somebody else's shoulder
I'm somewhat wiser now
And one whole year older
I sure don't need you now
And I don't love you
Anymore

You cheated me baby,
And told some dirty lies about me
Fooled around with all those other guys
That's why I had to set you free
I sure don't need you now
And I don't love you
Anymore

A year ago today
You went away
And now you come back crying
Crying, crying: please, let me in
But I don't need you
No I don't love you anymore
So go lean on...go cry on
Somebody else's door

Go cry
On somebody else's shoulder
I'm somewhat wiser now
And one whole year older
I sure don't need you now
And I don't love you
Anymore (Oh, my darling!)

(Spoken:)
Go ahead and cry
Go ahead and let the tears fall outa your eye
Let 'em fall on your dress
Who cares if it makes a mess?
I gave you my high school ring
At the root beer stand
We had a teen-age love baby
I thought it was sharp
It was really so grand...but

You cheated me baby
And told some dirty lies about me
Fooled around with all those other guys
That's why I had to get my khakis pressed
I sure don't need you now
And I don't love you
Anymore

(Spoken:)
Baby, I love you so much, darling
Why don't you dig me?
I dig you
But you don't dig me
I don't understand what it is
I had my car re-upholstered
I got my hair processed
I got a nice pompadour job on it
I bought a new pair of shoes
I got some new khakis and I met you
And we went out to get a Coca-Cola..."

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 7 March 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)

"Trouble Coming Every Day," maybe? Uncharacteristic for sure. I'm amused by the smut on Overnite Sensation but can't defend it.

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Monday, 7 March 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

Funniest line in "Sleeping in a Jar":

"The jar is under the bed."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 7 March 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

I don't understand the outright dismissal of most of his lyrics as being "crap." In what way are they crap?

Keith C (kcraw916), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:01 (twenty years ago)

"charva" is fucking hilarious.

"oh no" is the best lyrical zappa ever.

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

Oh no
I don't believe it
You say that you think you know
The meaning of love
You say love is all we need
You say
With your love you can change
All of the fools
All of the hate
I think you're probably
Out to lunch

Oh no
I don't believe it
You say that you think you know
The meaning of love
Do you really think it can be told?
You say that you really know
I think
You should check it again
How can you say
What you believe
Will be the key to a
World of love?

All your love -
Will it save me?
All your love -
Will it save the world
From what we can't understand
Oh no
I don't believe it

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

Classic.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

"Wowie Zowie" is good, too: "I don't even care if your dad's the heat."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

I still don't know whose portrait is depicted on the forty-dollar bill.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

Occasionally his lyrics sound too rigid -- like there is too much structure and he puts in an awkward word or line or phrasing to fit it in; and he doesn't care that it's awkward because he's just trying to get to the punchline. He very rarely cares about the individual line, or the sound of words really, he usually has overarching goals with a song. Occasionally he's too straight forward; chooses something to mock and does so in a way that's very boring.

David Allen (David Allen), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

David OTM. I was just about to say basically that in reply to Keith's question. I think his best lyrics are the ones that don't run down the list of things to mock: Jewish princesses, Christian fundamentalists, disco boys, etc. I think "Trouble Every Day" is hurt by the rigidity and too-much-structure that David mentions.

I like "Uncle Remus," but I notice it's cowritten by George Duke, and I wouldn't be surprised if the lyric was the part he contributed.

Curious George Rides a Republican (Rock Hardy), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, "Trouble" sounds like he's reading aloud an essay or letter to the editor.

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

i think that zappa's lyrics were better than he's generally given credit for (including by himself! he openly said that a LOT of his lyrics were dumb.) i DO think that some of the SUBJECT matter was pretty dumb (e.g., the usual suspects about groupies, blow-jobs, stupid people acting stupidly, etc.), which is a different thing than saying that the lyrics ABOUT such dumb subjects are dumb.

the biggest complaint (and most justifiable) are that many of his lyrics are too blunt, straight-forward, and un-artistic. sometimes that works (e.g., "honey, don't you want a man like me?" -- about a one-night stand b/w two pretty dumb, shallow people), sometimes it doesn't (e.g., "suicide chump" and "dancing fool").

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

i also like "take your clothes off when you dance"

There will come a time when everybody
Who is lonely will be free...
TO SING DANCE LOVE

There will come a time when every evil
That we know will be an evil...
THAT WE CAN RISE ABOVE

Who cares if hair is long or short
or sprayed or partly grayed...
WE KNOW THAT HAIR AIN'T WHERE IT'S AT

(there will come a time when you won't
even be ashamed if you are fat!)

WAH WAH-WAH WAH

There will come a time when everybody
Who is lonely will be free...
TO SING DANCE LOVE (dance and love)

There will come a time when every evil
that we know will be an evil...
THAT WE CAN RISE ABOVE (rise above)

Who cares if you're so poor you can't afford
To buy a pair of Mod A Go-Go stretch-elastic pants...
THERE WILL COME A TIME WHEN YOU CAN EVEN
TAKE YOUR CLOTHES OFF WHEN YOU DANCE

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

re: "uncle remus" also one of my lyrics faves.

the line about knocking the jockey's off the rich peoples' lawns!

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:38 (twenty years ago)

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I agree his lyrics have a slapped-together and almost careless feel to them, but to me the measure of how good lyrics are is whether or not I pay attention to them when I'm listening to the song. And for Zappa, I find it hard not to smile when I'm listening to him.

I mean, with all the banal love songs, the I hate-myself-dirges, the tiresome 'let's have a good time' party songs, and the incalculable amount of horrible poetry in popular music, I find it a bit unfair to pick on Zappa for his lyrics.

Keith C (kcraw916), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:38 (twenty years ago)

I like some of the rhyming in "Trouble Every Day."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:38 (twenty years ago)

She lives in mojave in a winnebago
His name is Bobby, he looks like a potato

W i l l (common_person), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

That song is a defense, btw

W i l l (common_person), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

Cutty, that one raises a whole 'nother issue: lyrics whose lyrics had to be stretched or squeezed to properly fit an existing piece of music. Sometimes it really worked well, like on "Take Your Clothes Off When You Dance" and "Mother People." Managing to get this:

Better look around before you say you don't care
Shut your fuckin' mouth about the length of my hair
How would you survive
If you were alive
Shitty little person?

...overlaid perfectly over all those little bitty notes is close to genius. But sometimes it totally fell flat. (I'll hunt for examples of that as the day goes on.)

Curious George Rides a Republican (Rock Hardy), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

yeah, see also, INCA ROADS!

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

GUACOMOLE QUEEN GUACOMOLE QUEEN

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

i kind of love the almost NORMAL rock lyrics of "magic fingers" as well.

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

I'm trying to imagine a Lambert, Hendricks & Ross version of "Inca Roads," and getting a bit of a stiffie.

Curious George Rides a Republican (Rock Hardy), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

I really like the genuine sentimentality amongst the humor in things like "Concentration Moon": that bit about "Wish I was back in the alley/With all of my friends, still runnin' free/Hair growing out every hole in me."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

more zappa lyrical gems keep coming to mind:

"yo moma"
"keep it greasy"
"flakes"
"joe's garage"

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

"lyrics had to be stretched or squeezed to properly fit an existing piece of music"

I think of "Mother People" on We're Only in it for the Money.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

Ah, "Hair growing out every hole in me" is an example of where I think the lyric was mangled to fit. Not only does the grossness of the image work against the sentimentality of the previous lines, he had to stretch 9 syllables to cover 10 notes by making "hole" a two-syllable word. A bit jarring.

I put "We're Only In It For the Money" on while I was thinking about all this, and just got a huge laugh out of the lyric/music interface of:

DON'T COME IN ME, IN ME
DON'T COME IN ME, IN ME
DON'T COME IN ME, IN ME
DON'T COME IN ME, IN ME

Curious George Rides a Republican (Rock Hardy), Monday, 7 March 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

No, doofus, "hole" isn't a two-syllable word in that line. Jeez. I still think it was a bit artificial.

Curious George Rides a Republican (Rock Hardy), Monday, 7 March 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

are you arguing with yourself?

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 7 March 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, sorta. (No I'm not!)

Curious George Rides a Republican (Rock Hardy), Monday, 7 March 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

"Primer mi carucha - Chevy '39
Going to El Monte Legion Stadium
Pick up on my weesa. She is so divine.
Helps me stealing hubcaps
wasted all the time

Fuzzy dice, bongos in the back
My ship of love is ready to attack"


"I don't even care if your dad's the heat."

I always thought he said "I don't even care if your dad's a he."

walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 7 March 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

That's called a melisma: more than one note for a given syllable. I love that melisma on "hole!"

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 7 March 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

I never knew that was "El Monte Legion Stadium!"

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 7 March 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

"Electric Aunt Jemima/Feed me 'til I'm hungry" = classic

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 7 March 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)

That was the second reference to primering a car, by the way. First, of course, was in "You Didn't Try to Call Me."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 7 March 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

And the third was in the liner notes to Cruising With Ruben and the Jets.

Curious George Rides a Republican (Rock Hardy), Monday, 7 March 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

I never knew that was "El Monte Legion Stadium!"

Yeah, I think that was one of the biggest rock venues in the LA area in the '50s or early '60s.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 7 March 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

i love when the ILX zappa dorks come out to play!

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 7 March 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

I always thought it was "Going to El Monte" and then something about Lisa ("Weesa").

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 7 March 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

As with his music which came in a variety of pigeonholes, so did Zappa's lyrical obsessions. Some of his best lyrics were the ones on the first few Mothers albums, which amounted to putdowns of his audience before he even HAD much of an audience. The outright weirdoes like "Sleeping In A Jar" were, so says the liner notes, "scientifically prepared from a random series of syllables, dreams, neuroses & private jokes that nobody except the members of the band ever laugh at, and other irrelevant material. They are all VERY SERIOIUS and loaded with secret underground candy-rock psychedelic profundities" and are, I think, beyond criticism due to their irrelevence and/or irreverence. Zappa's most frequently criticized lyrics were probably his sex-obsessed ones. I think this relates to the contempt he often showed towards his audience. Just like he apparently thought he was enlightening his listeners by introducing them to some secondhand Stravinsky or Kafka or Mingus, supposedly he also felt he was being cutting-edge & rebellious by tossing in explicit tittie or wee-wee jokes. In his defense, it may only have been a tribute to the '50s R&B he grew up loving, which was always about sex but had to resort to metaphor. In any event, the sex-stuff was a relatively minor obsession lyrically (less than 20% of his output, by his own reckoning!) that it's easy enough to ignore it. (Coincidentally, 20% is also the approximate percentage of officially released Zappa stuff that I consider worth hearing, having owned probably up to one-half in the pre-CD era.) And then of course there's stuff like "Flakes" which have a bit too much of an apparent anti-union lyrical POV for the Springsteen fans among the rockcritical elite - specially if they once considered Zappa a countercultural icon. Bottom line is, you're bound to be offended by SOMETHING in Zappa's lyrics - either the presentation or the message, if there is one - if you've paid enough attention to the subject.

Myonga Von Bongofury (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 7 March 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

The Zappa piece in Meltzer's A Whore Like the Rest collection (Zoot Allures era) is classic.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 7 March 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

"She was the daughter of a wealthy
Florentine Pogen
Read 'em 'n weep
Was here adjustable slogan

She was a debutante daisy
With a color-note organ
Deep in the street
She drove a '59 Morgan"

brianiac (briania), Monday, 7 March 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

Bottom line is, you're bound to be offended by SOMETHING in Zappa's lyrics - either the presentation or the message, if there is one - if you've paid enough attention to the subject.

hear hear! the one zappa song that i've found beyond the pale is "jumbo go away" (off of the otherwise impeccable you are what you is), which is about the fat groupie girlfriend of one of the bandmembers -- who has, um, hygiene issues (worms and VD, inter alia) and who gets slapped around a bit.

the song "you are what you is" is 1/2 acceptable and 1/2 questionable. next post, i'll post the lyrics and you can judge which is which (and who is who).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 7 March 2005 21:08 (twenty years ago)

For some reason "It Can't Happen Here" keeps reminding me of 911.
THANKS TO YOU FZ I WILL NEVAR 4GET!

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Monday, 7 March 2005 21:09 (twenty years ago)

Do you know what you are?
You are what you is
You is what you am
(A cow don't make ham . . . )
You ain't what you're not
So see what you got
You are what you is
An' that's all it 'tis

A foolish young man
From a middle class fam'ly
Started singin' the blues
'Cause he thought it was manly
Now he talks like the Kingfish
("Saffiiiee!")
From Amos 'n Andy
("Holy mack'l dere . . . Holy mack'l dere!")
He tells you that chitlins . . .
(Chitlins!)
Well, they taste just like candy
He thinks that he's got
De whole thang down
From the Nivea Lotion
To de Royal Crown

Do you know what you are?
You are what you is
You is what you am
(A cow don't make ham . . . )
You ain't what you're not
So see what you got
You are what you is
An' that's all it 'tis

A foolish young man
Of the Negro Persuasion
Devoted his life
To become a caucasian
He stopped eating pork
He stopped eating greens
He traded his dashiki
("Uhuru!")
For some Jordache Jeans
He learned to play golf
An' he got a good score
Now he says to himself
"I AIN'T NO NIGGER NO MORE . . . HEY! HEY! HEY!"
"I don't understand you . . . "
BWANA MA-COO-BAH
"Would you please speak more clearly . . . "
MERCEDES BAINNNNNNNZ

Who is who
(I don't know . . . )
'N what is what
(Somethin' I just don't know . . . )
'N why is this
(Tell me now . . . )
Appropriot
(That's a funny pronunciation if'n ever I heard one . . . )
If you don't like
(Where'd you get that word?)
What you has got
(Appropriot? The word is not . . . )
Drop it in the dirt
(Drop it yeah . . . )
'N let it rot
(I can smell it now . . . )
Someone else
(Here de come, here de come . . . )
Will surely come
(I told you they was comin')
'N pick it up
(That's right!)
'Cause he wants some
(An' he wants it for free . . . )
And when one day
(There will come a day . . . )
You wonder who
(I wonder too . . . )
You used to was
(Who I was anyway . . . )
'N what you do
(I used to work at the post office . . . )
You'll scratch your head
(But I don't wanna un-do my doo . . . )
'N look around
(Just to see what's goin' on . . . )
But what you lost
(Can't seem to find it . . . )
Will not be found
(A Mercedes Benz . . . )

Do you know what you are?
(I know . . . )
You are what you is
(I'm the kinda guy . . . )
You is what you am
(That ought to be drivin' . . . )
A cow don't make a ham
(A four-fifty SLC . . . )
You ain't what you're not
(A big ol' red one . . . )
So see what you got
(With some golf clubs stickin' out de trunk . . . )
You are what you is
(I'm gwine down to de links on Saturday mornin' . . . )
An' that's all it is
(Gimme a five dollar bill . . . )
YOU ARE WHAT YOU IS
(And an overcoat too . . . )
AND THAT'S ALL IT IS
(Where's my waitress? Yeah . . . )
YOU ARE WHAT YOU IS
(Robbie, take me to Greek Town . . . )
AN THAT'S ALL IT IS
(I'm harder than yer husband; harder than yer husband . . . )
YOU ARE WHAT YOU IS
(I'm goin' down to White Street, to the Mudd Club y'all . . . )
AN THAT'S ALL IT IS
(I'm goin' down 'n work the wall 'n work the floor . . . )
YOU ARE WHAT YOU IS
('N work the pipe 'n work the wall . . . )
AN THAT'S ALL IT IS
(Some more . . . )

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 7 March 2005 21:09 (twenty years ago)

I pretty much write off the entire You Are What You Is album as an utter dud.

Curious George Rides a Republican (Rock Hardy), Monday, 7 March 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)


let's just end this right here and now.

--

give me
your dirty love
like you might surrender
to some dragon in your dreams
give me
your dirty love
like a pink donation
to the dragon in your dreams

i don't need your sweet devotion
i don't want your cheap emotion
just whip me up some dragon lotion
for your dirty love
your dirty love

give me
your dirty love
like some tacky little pamphlet
in your daddy's bottom drawer
give me
your dirty love
i don't believe you have ever seen
that book before

i don't need no consolation
i don't want your reservation
i only got one destination
an' that's your dirty love

(righteous guitar solo)

give me
your dirty love
just like your mama
make her fuzzy poodle do
give me
your dirty love
yhe way your mama
make that nasty poodle chew

i'll ignore your cheap aroma
and your little-bo-peep diploma
i'll just put you in a coma
with some dirty love

poodle bites/poodle chews it, etc.

--


aroma + diploma + coma = woot.

cobra commander (cobra commander), Monday, 7 March 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)

overnite sensation has a LOT of good songs, lyrics-wise. i mean, "montana"! "i am the slime"! "camarillo brillo"! "zomby woof"!

i also include "50/50," which lyrically is fine (zappa making fun of shouty early 70s rock-and-rollers like daltrey, plant, gillian, etc.) but kind of annoying as it is sung (which is, i think, the point -- STILL it's annoying).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 7 March 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

her favorite group was: HELEN REDDY
we discussed the WEATHER!

charleston charge (chaki), Monday, 7 March 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

poodle bites/poodle chews it, etc.

is that a sears poncho or a regular poncho?

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 7 March 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

She was an office girl: "My name is Betty"
Her favorite group was: TWISTED SISTER

= most classic Zappa line of all time

Joe (Joe), Monday, 7 March 2005 23:15 (twenty years ago)

"Not a spec o' cereal. Nuthin' but the best for my dog."

nickn (nickn), Monday, 7 March 2005 23:27 (twenty years ago)

I pretty much write off the entire You Are What You Is album as an utter dud.

naww, there's much goodness on you are what you is. "goblin girl" and his troika of political songs -- "the meek shall inherit nothing"/"dumb all over"/"heavenly bank account" -- are lyrically some of his best (the latter three are also QUITE timely).

now, if we were talking about thing-fish as an 80s zappa dud, i would have to largely concur :-)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 7 March 2005 23:31 (twenty years ago)


>>>>is that a sears poncho or a regular poncho?

LL bean. excellent question.

cobra commander (cobra commander), Monday, 7 March 2005 23:40 (twenty years ago)

Hmmm, no fooling.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 08:57 (twenty years ago)

I've had "Bobby Brown Goes Down"'s lyrics stuck in my head ALL FUCKIN WEEK. I can't decide if it's the best or worst song ever or both.

Also "He's So Gay" c/d?

I got the job because I was so mean, while somehow appearing so kind. (AaronHz), Thursday, 17 March 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

"Tax the churches. Tax the fuck out of the churches."

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 17 March 2005 20:47 (twenty years ago)

"Fuzzy Dice, Fuzzy Dice /I got'em at the Pep Boys, at the Boys"

Baaderonixxx le Jeune (Fabfunk), Friday, 18 March 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)

Too many good ones to mention. I fucking love Zappa lyrics. My favorite is from a recording of "Billy the Mountain" (not the "Just Another Band from LA" one) where they hit the line 'thoroughly with foil' and keep pronouncing it over and over, slower and slower. Thoooo-rooo-leeeeeeee wiiiiiiiittth.....foooooooo-iiiiilll

"A mountain is something you don't wanna fuck with
You don't wanna fuck with
Don't fuck around
Don't fuck with Billy, No
And don't fuck with Ethel
You saw what just happened
To the guy with the flies"

Adam Bruneau (oliver8bit), Friday, 18 March 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

Hey, there people, I'm Bobby Brown,
they say I'm the cutest boy in town,
my car is fast
and my teeth are shiny,
I tell all the girls
they can kiss my heini.
Here I am at a famous school,
I'm dressing sharp and I'm acting cool,
I got a cheerleader here,
wants to help with my paper,
let her do all the work
and maybe later I rape her.
Oh God I am the American Dream,
and I don't think that I'm too extrem,
and I'm a handsome son of a bitch,
I'm gonna get a good job and be real rich.
Women's liberation
came creeping all across the nation
I can tell you people, I was not ready,
when I fucked this dyke by name of Freddie.
She made a little speech then,
oh she tried to make me say when...
She had my balls in a vice,
but she left the dick,
I guess it's still hooked on,
but now it shoots too quick.
Oh God I am the American Dream,
but now I smell like Vaseline,
and I'm a miserable son of a bitch.
Am I a boy or a lady,
I don't know which.
So I went out and bought me a leisure suit,
I'm jingling my change,
but I'm still kinda cute,
got a job doing radio promo,
and none of the jocks can even tell I'm a homo.
Eventually me and a friend,
sort of drifted along into S & M,
I can take about an hour on the tower of power,
as long as I get a little golden shower,
Oh God I am the American Dream,
put a spindle up my butt
'till it makes me scream,
and I'll do anything to get ahead,
I lay awake at night saying "thank you Fred".
Oh God Oh God I'm so fantastic,
and thanks to Freddy I'm a sexual spastic,
and my name is BOBBY BROWN,
watch me now, I'm going down.
and my name is BOBBY BROWN,
watch me now, I'm going down.
and my name is BOBBY BROWN,
watch me now, I'm going down.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 18 March 2005 23:14 (twenty years ago)

I hate "Bobby Brown" with a hate that's pure. Some of his mean-spirited songs are at least funny the first time, but I didn't like this one from the getgo.

Curious George Finds the Ether Bottle (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 19 March 2005 00:48 (twenty years ago)

ten months pass...
I used to semi-enjoy some of his lyrics, but mostly just waited for the great musical interludes.

His lyrics were mostly a big turnoff for me.

But, since the post-mothers zappa thread recently, I revisited the zappa section of my cd rack and put in the ones I slammed on that thread to see how I felt about them now: Joe's Garage + You Are What You Is. I then went about my business with it just playing in the background. To my surprise, I found myself laughing and really enjoying it.

maybe the secret is to not really pay attention until something catches your ear. I used to put a zappa album on and stare at the ceiling just listening to it and his goofiness drove me nuts. This time, it just sounded FUN TO BE ALIVE. Also, before I used to seriously doubt that he never did drugs, but listening to him last night, he sounds like a very focused caffeine nut. He enjoys the little idiosyncrisies of people and life way to much to be on drugs, even acid. There are some intense and complex acid bands, but few of them plan out the music so unrelentingly as he did. If he was doing acid, his music would be a lot less crazy, actually. And less funny.

So, god damn it, I'm finally ready to answer that question. Does humor belong in music? In Frank's it does!

For Zealots, Thursday, 2 February 2006 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

I hate "Bobby Brown" with a hate that's pure. Some of his mean-spirited songs are at least funny the first time, but I didn't like this one from the getgo.

-- Curious George Finds the Ether Bottle (crump...), March 19th, 2005.

Bobby Brown isn't mean spirited! It's just a story about a chump closet case. Funny little oddities of true life examined honestly for the bizarre humor in it all.

For Zealots, Thursday, 2 February 2006 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

Hmm. I haven't changed my opinion since then.

truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

Lighten up!

For Zealots, Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

Hmmm...well, for me, lyrics in general have always been a secondary consideration: music first. And when I do pay attention to lyrics, I tend to disregard entirely actual textual CONTENT in favour of the lyrical presentation. And if that's an entirely wrongheaded way to listen to music, then so be it; it's what I care about. (Which is why I found Ben Watson's Zappa book endlessly entertaining, despite/because of Watson's being full of shit half the time.)

Anyhow, with that in mind: I always liked how Zappa would intentionally mispronounce (or invent) a word, or use improper sentence structure or otherwise use improper grammar just 'cause it plain SOUNDED GOOD that way. (A technique both Zappa and Beefheart borrowed from the bluesmen they idolized. A few favourites:

"They don't do no good/Never be workin' like they oughta should"

"You are what you is/You is what you am/You ain't what you're not"

"Never flush a tampoon!" (OK, that one's pretty juvenile. But at least it was a rhyme with "afternoon")

"Pretty soon there won't be no street/For dummies to jog on or doggies to dog on"

I also personally liked the rhyming of "poncho" and "unconscio". And that "Stomp & smash & bash & crash & slash & bust & burn" line sure rolls off the tongue nicely.


Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 2 February 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

Defend these, baby:

Stevie's Spanking

His name is Stevie Vai,
And he's a crazy guy
Last November, I recall,
He needed a spanking

He decided then
A female specimen
Would be exciting for a night
To give him a spanking

Laurel was her name
She came to Notre Dame
He told me just the other night
He oughta be thanking
Her for the spanking

She was large and soft
And she beat him off
Made him drool upon his dork
And gave it a wanking
After the spanking

Hair brush!
Oh! What a hair brush!
(It's not that he requires grooming!
Guys with light blue hair never do!)

Then did she exclaim:
"There's another game
That we can play with this device,
And then a banana!"

It was slightly green
Vapors in between
Rising up to fill the room
And cook the banana

Later in the dawn,
Laurel carried on
Got right up and dressed herself and
Ate the banana

Truck Driver Divorce

Truck driver divorce!
It's very sad
(Steel guitars
Usually weep all over it)

The bold & intelligent
MASTERS OF THE ROAD
With their Secret Language,
And the GIANT
OVER-SIZED
MECHANICAL
TRANS-CONTINENTAL
HOBBY-HORSE!

Truck driver divorce!
It's very sad!
Oh the wife!
Oh the kids!
Oh the waitress!
Oh the drive all night!

Sometimes when you get home
Some ugly lookin' son-of-a-bitch
Is trying to pooch yer
HOME-TOWN SWEETHEART!

Oh, go ride the bull!
Oh, go ride the bull!
Make it go up 'n down
'N when you fall off,
You can eat the mattress!

TRUCK DRIVER DIVORCE!
IT'S VERY SAD!
Bust yer ass
To deliver some string beans,
Deliver some string beans,
Deliver some string beans,
To
UTAH!

Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 2 February 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

Jesus Christ, I didn't realize I already responded to this thread a year ago! I have absolutely no recollection of that earlier post. *makes mental note yet again to read full thread before replying... won't forget again; at least not until the next time.*

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 2 February 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

Lighten up!

-- For Zealots (fz@) (webmail), February 2nd, 2006 10:24 AM.

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Got a cheerleader here, wants to help with my paper
Let her do all the work, maybe later I'll rape 'er


lolz at rapez & faggits -- roffles, even

truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 2 February 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

lolz at you not appreciating the intention behind the words (get one sense of social satire)

For Zealots, Thursday, 2 February 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

I have one, I guess it's just not sufficiently advanced.

truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 2 February 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

Guess not. Avoid black humor and definitely avoid dark entertainment. No Slayer for you!

For Zealots, Thursday, 2 February 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I genuinely can't decide if lyrics descibing a Steve Vai groupie-escapade need no defense at all or all in the world

b'angelo, Thursday, 2 February 2006 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

Sometimes, it's just the absurdity of it that is funny, which is it's own defense. You have a perfectly good song which you "ruin" with the most absurd lyrics you could possibly sing there. When they're sung in a really melodic way, it's even funnier.

For Zealots, Thursday, 2 February 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry, I guess I'm not post-modern enough to think that rape jokes are funny.

sleeve (sleeve), Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

Keep rewording that. Maybe it will pay off.

For Zealots, Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

Also, that "rape joke" isn't even what I was referring to as "absurdity." I was thinking of song where there's a vocal emphasis on a word like "balls." That "rape joke" is a joke about the mindset of the douchebag being described not the act of rape.

For Zealots, Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:27 (nineteen years ago)

seventeen years pass...

Evelyn, a modified dog
Viewed the quivering fringe of a special doily
Draped across the piano, with some surprise
In the darkened room
Where the chairs dismayed
And the horrible curtains
Muffled the rain
She could hardly believe her eyes
A curious breeze
A garlic breath
Which sounded like a snore
Somewhere near the Steinway (or even from within)
Had caused the doily fringe to waft & tremble in the gloom
Evelyn, a dog, having undergone
Further modification
Pondered the significance of short-person behavior
In pedal-depressed panchromatic resonance
And other highly ambient domains...
Arf she said

scott seward, Saturday, 21 October 2023 18:53 (one year ago)

he was a weird writer! just in the way he constructs lines. what a weirdo! ha. i guess that's what everyone has always said. what a weirdo!

scott seward, Saturday, 21 October 2023 18:54 (one year ago)

I'm guessing fz was somewhat influenced by his old friend van vliet.

Kim Kimberly, Saturday, 21 October 2023 19:04 (one year ago)


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