Sylvia ("Pillow Talk," Sugar Hill Records mogul, etc.) -- C/D, etc.

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The Rhino comp is a great listen but in particular I have to note the outrageous great version of "Automatic Lover" on there -- Grace Jones via Donna Summer via robot sex.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 March 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

she invented electro as well as rap. didn't you know that? the album that automatic lover is on sounds absolutely nothing like automatic lover. but it's a really good album anyway.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 7 March 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

I knew somebody wouldn't let me down and it turns out to be Scott! :-) So much of the rest of the album is the general lush r'n'b groove she's more well known for?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 March 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

there are some great funky disco workouts on it. mostly intrumental except for her track. great rubberband bass breakbeat stuff. and her liner-notes are wacky. she goes on about how funk has become "bleached" and here she is to the rescue (i suppose.)

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 7 March 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

"Sho Nuff Boogie"

Paul (scifisoul), Monday, 7 March 2005 23:13 (twenty years ago)

Can't find mention of a Rhino comp at Allmusic.com. Does it include Mickey & Sylvia's "Mommy Out de Light"? If not, it seriously underestimates her social and moral breadth.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 23:11 (twenty years ago)

Grace Jones via Donna Summer via robot sex.

at least one of these ingredients is redundant

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 23:42 (twenty years ago)

I was thinking TWO of them were!?!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 23:44 (twenty years ago)

well, if we're talking Donna Summer from 1977 and after, then Alex is right

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 10 March 2005 01:26 (twenty years ago)

"Love to Love You Baby".. sexy? oh yes. robotic? naah.

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 10 March 2005 01:28 (twenty years ago)

"Love is Strange" by Mickey & Sylvia peaks with a great spoken bridge: "Sylvia? Yes Mickey...how do you call your lover boy?" And "Pillow Talk" is a breathy love rap a la Barry White. Any coincidence that she cornered the market on early hip-hop?

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Thursday, 10 March 2005 01:33 (twenty years ago)

*bows* Allow me to clarify -- the robot part in the Sylvia song is male. Sylvia's own part most assuredly is not.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 March 2005 01:35 (twenty years ago)

xxpost

I just listened to the long versions of "LTLYB" and "I Feel Love" today and they're robotic in a GOOD Kraftwerk-kinda way.

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Thursday, 10 March 2005 01:36 (twenty years ago)

I don't hear the Donna Summer/Kraftwerk connection though.. even if you include Moroder. Apples and oranges to me.

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 10 March 2005 01:40 (twenty years ago)

granted, both very nice juicy fruits.

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 10 March 2005 01:40 (twenty years ago)

Though I detected a hint of thta machine beat, more a flavor or vibe than a similiar-sounding groove. But I've listened to these tracks so much I'm probably embellishing them w/ aural hallucinations.

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Thursday, 10 March 2005 01:49 (twenty years ago)

That said, The Donna Summer Kraftwerk Connection sounds like a great electronic band name/alter ego.. although not without trademark issues.

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 10 March 2005 01:50 (twenty years ago)

> "Pillow Talk" is a breathy love rap a la Barry White.

She originally intended Al Green to record it, but he turned it down.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 10 March 2005 02:43 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I always thought she was 'Sylvie' and was never able to find any of her stuff in record stores. I wondered why there was a simliar artist named Sylvia. Not, unfortunately, kidding.

Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Thursday, 10 March 2005 02:44 (twenty years ago)

"so friends who tell me wrong from right, I'll ask to borrow their bed some cold and lonely night"

Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 10 March 2005 04:13 (twenty years ago)

(the internet says 'pants', but in what way does pants make more sense than 'bed' in the lyric above?)

Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 10 March 2005 04:14 (twenty years ago)

Maybe they were very comfortable pants.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 March 2005 04:22 (twenty years ago)

'augmented' pants?

Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 10 March 2005 04:34 (twenty years ago)

You do what you have to in a pantsless world.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 March 2005 04:35 (twenty years ago)

I don't hear the Donna Summer/Kraftwerk connection though

Well, "I Feel Love" and "Trans Europe Express" hit at the same time, and both had a deliberately mechanical, repetitive synthesized sound, and they've been connected in my mind ever since. Also, both sounded superouterspacy to me, maybe because the Star Wars theme also hit that year.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 11 March 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

Tsk, too much Donna talk and not enough about Sylvia Robinson [full name given for ease of future searches]. I'm surprised 'It's good to be the queen' hasn't been mentioned. Wonderful song, she sounds so delightfully *smug*, bragging about her Sugarhill empire. Apparently, it's a cover/remake of Mel Brooks' 'It's good to be the king' which I haven't heard yet.

She looks like this and I luv her:
http://www.angelfire.com/biz3/bss/images/sylvia.jpg

Affectian (Affectian), Sunday, 13 March 2005 22:22 (twenty years ago)

Nobody who recorded for Sugar Hill Records has much in the way of warm feelings for Sylvia Robinson. Hip hop wasn't always about getting paid.

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Sunday, 13 March 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

who wants to release a single via internet collab as the donna summer kraftwerk connection? i can provide the pumping bass-line...

chris andrews (fraew), Monday, 14 March 2005 02:32 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

I like this little thread.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 2 June 2007 20:28 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe we should have a thread for Mickey Baker as well -- in addition to Mickey and Sylvia, he's all over '50s R&B. Screamin' Jay Hawkins records, for one.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Saturday, 2 June 2007 21:36 (eighteen years ago)

Mickey wrote some guitar tutor book

PappaWheelie V, Sunday, 3 June 2007 04:00 (eighteen years ago)

Rock With a Sock is supposed to be a great album, but I've never heard it. He smokes, if you'll pardon the pun, on Sam Price's Rib Joint.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Sunday, 3 June 2007 07:00 (eighteen years ago)

Another fine thread that Ned's comment put me in mind of:
Johnny "Guitar" Watson

This one and the Gaucho one are maybe my two favorites.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Sunday, 3 June 2007 07:02 (eighteen years ago)

let's not forget Sylvia's great moments of pure raunch: "Pussy Cat", "You Sure Love To Ball", "Private Performance", etc...makes you wonder why all the fuss about Tweet...

henry s, Sunday, 3 June 2007 15:09 (eighteen years ago)

Wow, I didn't know she did "Pillow Talk" originally. I have two (albiet obscure) uptempo synthy 80s covers of it that I really dig.

Michael F Gill, Monday, 4 June 2007 01:14 (eighteen years ago)

three months pass...

"let's not forget Sylvia's great moments of pure raunch: "Pussy Cat", "You Sure Love To Ball", "Private Performance", etc..."

And her remake of Serge Gainsbourg & Jane Birkin's "Je T'Aime (Moi Non Plus)," where Sylvia duetted with Latin soul sensation Ralfi Pagan.

Rap fans put Sylvia on the throne for cofounding the Sugarhill label (how the hell did they get to keep the name that long without butting heads with the bluegrass Sugarhill Records??), but I'm more into the All Platinum label (and its' various subsidiaries like Vibration, Stang and Turbo). At a time when R&B production was at its' most sophisticated, here was All Platinum down in New Jersey making these hissy, lo-fi records by the Moments, Linda Jones, Brother To Brother, George Kerr and others.

Ever see that one Mickey & Sylvia reissue on RCA where Sylvia not only has her name printed bigger on the cover, but THERE'S NOT EVEN A PICTURE OF MICKEY - it's just a painting of Sylvia alone! And I thought those 1980's "TINA TURNER (featuring Ike Turner & the Ikettes)" reissues were tacky...I believe the Mickey & Sylvia release (titled DO IT AGAIN) was released to cash in on "Pillow Talk," which had just been a hit that year.

Rev. Hoodoo, Saturday, 29 September 2007 23:30 (seventeen years ago)

three months pass...

"(how the hell did they get to keep the name that long without butting heads with the bluegrass Sugarhill Records??)"

so is the Glades label the perfect world of both sugarhills living in harmony? banjo hoedowns and timmy thomas's minimal electro-funk.

anyway, the pillowtalk album on Vibration. wow! how cool is "not on the outside"? seven minutes of lo-fi space love.

scott seward, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 04:05 (seventeen years ago)

"so is the Glades label the perfect world of both sugarhills living in harmony? banjo hoedowns and timmy thomas's minimal electro-funk."

Glades Records put out banjo hoedowns? More info, pleez; that's a new one on me...

Rev. Hoodoo, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 05:38 (seventeen years ago)

hahaha, for some reason last night i got it in my head that harlow wilcox's groovy grubworm was on glades when of course it was on plantation. must have been the cough syrup. and i don't even think there is a banjo on groovy grubworm.

scott seward, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 13:47 (seventeen years ago)

slight derail but holy shit didja see yesterday's NYT on Sylvvia's old school competitor, Bobby Robinson (no relation) of Enjoy Records fame.

January 21, 2008
In Harlem, 2 Record Stores Go the Way of the Vinyl

By TIMOTHY WILLIAMS
On Saturday morning, Bobby’s Happy House, a music store in Harlem that opened in 1946, was in a state of chaos.

The store’s owner, 91-year-old Bobby Robinson, who was wearing a dark blue suit and his trademark black fedora, seemed bewildered as he surveyed his store. Albums were stacked on the floor, photographs of him with Fats Domino, James Brown and others had been pulled from the walls and the store’s glass display cases contained only a few scattered CDs and cassette tapes.

A few hundred yards northwest, at the Harlem Record Shack on 125th Street, an employee with a handmade sign was urging passers-by to sign a petition to keep that store from being evicted.

Inside, the voice of the store’s owner, Sikhulu Shange, 66, rang through the Record Shack as he vowed not to go easily, even though he was under a court order to leave within a few weeks, after 36 years in business there.

Mr. Robinson and Mr. Shange, who have been friendly rivals for Harlem’s music dollars for almost two generations, are on the cusp of being forced out of business here within weeks of each other as Harlem continues its uneasy transition from being a haven for some of the city’s poorest residents to a place where apartments selling for $1 million and tripling commercial rents have become unremarkable occurrences.

Bobby’s Happy House, on Frederick Douglass Boulevard near 125th Street, is closing on Monday, Martin Luther King Jr. Day. Mr. Shange has been given until the end of March to vacate his store.

Each man represents a distinct generation of black men who arrived in Harlem as young men seeking to contribute to a neighborhood they had long heard about and had admired.

Mr. Robinson, originally from South Carolina, came after World War II. He speaks in the language of that time, using words like “colored,” which has long been retired.

Mr. Shange, who arrived from South Africa in the 1960s, came of age during that era’s tradition of protest. He wears dashikis and repeats words like “empowerment.”

Each man said the runaway pace of change in the neighborhood during the past few years was unlike anything they had seen before.

“Everything you see here, I built,” Mr. Robinson said, waving his arm around his store as friends and family members boxed up decades of mementos. “How do you think I feel?”

On the other hand, Mr. Shange, who was at the center of an eviction battle in the 1990s that culminated in gunfire and an arson attack that killed eight people, left no doubt about his feelings. He was angry.

“There was a time when everybody was running away from Harlem, but we stayed, keeping the culture alive,” he said, as shoppers surveyed the small store’s African, gospel, jazz and R&B selections that are kept in locked glass cases. “We don’t have nothing to show for being in the community all these years and keeping it beautiful. Tourists are not coming here to see McDonald’s and Burger King. They are coming here to see black culture.”

The two stores have survived so long, the owners say, because they offer services and products customers cannot get anyplace else.

At Bobby’s Happy House, those services included recording albums onto cassettes or CDs for customers and allowing visitors to pull up a plastic chair and chat with Mr. Robinson, who was a noted record producer. His work included Wilbert Harrison’s No. 1 hit “Kansas City” in 1959 and groundbreaking hip-hop songs by Doug E. Fresh and Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five during the late 1970s.

The inspiration for the name of Bobby’s Happy House, which has had various names over the years, was a doo-wop song Mr. Robinson wrote for Lewis Lymon & the Teenchords in 1956 called “I’m So Happy,” a hit in the Northeast. (Lewis Lymon was the younger brother of Frankie Lymon, best known for a song with the Teenagers, “Why Do Fools Fall in Love?”).

At the Record Shack, customers have found in Mr. Shange, a former dancer, an authoritative source on American soul music and hard-to-find African music. In a nod to their customers, both stores continued to sell records and cassette tapes, formats most other stores have not sold for years.

“A lot of old people are ashamed to go to a store and ask them for cassettes,” said Mr. Robinson’s daughter, Denise Benjamin, who has managed Bobby’s Happy House for her father in recent years.

Both Mr. Robinson and Mr. Shange said it was unclear what role the downturn in the record music industry has had on their stores, but HMV and the Wiz, two large retailers that sold CDs and other items, have closed stores on 125th Street during the past few years.

Mr. Robinson and Mr. Shange said they had been caught off-guard by their evictions and the transformation of the neighborhood. Each has a different landlord. Within a few blocks of their stores are more than a dozen construction sites for projects that include a 19-story hotel, office towers and luxury co-ops and condominiums.

Once the last of the old records have been cleared from Bobby’s — and other tenants in the block-long building have moved out — the new owners, a partnership of the Sigfeld Group and Kimco Realty Corporation, have said they will tear down the structure and replace it with a four-story office building, including retail space on the ground floor. None of the old tenants, including Mr. Robinson, said they had been invited to set up shop in the new building. Several store owners have filed a lawsuit contesting their evictions.

Ms. Benjamin said family members decided not to join the lawsuit because they wanted to save their money to find a location nearby.

Representatives for Sigfeld and Kimco, which bought the building for $30 million in August, did not respond to phone calls and e-mail messages seeking comment. Mr. Shange’s landlord, the United House of Prayer for All People, won a court order forcing Mr. Shange to leave the store empty and “broom clean” by March 31. The church has not announced its plans for the space, and a church representative at its headquarters in Washington declined to comment. David M. Grill, the attorney representing the church in New York, did not return a phone call and an e-mail message seeking comment.

Mr. Shange, who has been paying $4,500 a month — about $500 more a month than Mr. Robinson at Bobby’s Happy House — said that he was willing to pay more, but that the church, which is above the store, had refused to negotiate.

Mr. Shange said the store was organizing a protest rally on Sunday at 11 a.m., when many of the church’s parishioners will be arriving for services.

A flier at his store advertising the rally reads: “Protest Greedy Landlords! We will not be moved from Harlem!!! We must reclaim, preserve and protect our historic black community. If we do not, no one will!!!”

Eight thousand people have signed a petition opposing his store’s eviction, he said.

When Mr. Shange faced eviction in 1995 during a dispute with a different landlord, who held the sublease for the Record Shack, weeks of demonstrations over the plans of the landlord, who was white, to evict the black-owned store took on a racial tinge. The dispute ended after a protester walked into the landlord’s store, which was next to the Record Shack, carrying a handgun and a container of paint thinner. After shooting and wounding four people, he set the store ablaze before shooting himself. He and seven other people died in the blaze.

Mr. Shange said he expected the coming demonstration to be peaceful, just as others in support of his store have been in recent months.

Unlike Mr. Shange, Mr. Robinson’s daughter said she did not particularly object to the changes occurring in Harlem, which have included new bank branches and grocery stores.

“I don’t mind change, but when people have had to endure everything — and you know if you’ve been here 60 years you’ve endured a lot,” she said, her voice trailing off. “This is everything to him.”

m coleman, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 14:08 (seventeen years ago)

"hahaha, for some reason last night i got it in my head that harlow wilcox's groovy grubworm was on glades when of course it was on plantation. must have been the cough syrup. and i don't even think there is a banjo on groovy grubworm."

Not on "Groovy Grubworm," but there was definitely one on the B-side, "Moose Trot."

Run through a wah-wah pedal, at that.

Rev. Hoodoo, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 15:13 (seventeen years ago)

hey hoodooo, were you around when i put up these mixes:

Skot's Rolling Vinyl-To-MP3 Conversion Carnival Thread.

if not, you might like some of the country ones or the two sweet smoke mixes. maybe. but they are all still up and running in any case. "moose trot" is on one of them. that's why i thought of it.

scott seward, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 15:41 (seventeen years ago)

Thanks for the link, Scott, I'll check that out later.

Rev. Hoodoo, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 18:13 (seventeen years ago)

three years pass...

RIP

http://www.s2smagazine.com/stories/2011/09/sylvia-robinson-mother-hip-hop-dead

Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Thursday, 29 September 2011 16:19 (thirteen years ago)

:-(

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 September 2011 16:51 (thirteen years ago)

Oh man, RIP

Pollabo Bryson (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 29 September 2011 18:03 (thirteen years ago)


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