Where is the love for HOUNDS and STREETHEART and SHOOTING STAR and PRISM?

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And probably lots of other super cool new wave proto-hair/post-glam borderline-disco semi-metal bubble-prog hard rock bands I can't think of right at this very moment?

chuck, Monday, 7 March 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)

Of the four, Hounds are definitely underappreciated and due for a reissue, accentuating their pretty good bar band stab at tasteless excitement. Christgau hated them so using the 180-degree-and-RollingStone-redbook-rule-on-gradation-of-hardrok, you takes your cues. I lump them in with Christ Child.

They weren't midwestern undercard arena and florid/grandiose-sounding like Shooting Star. Shooting Star = always a favorite at BestBuy in the classic rock aisles. Streetheart I have no idea on and Prism, woo, "Young and Restless" and "See Forever Eyes."

"Young and restless, yes, you are!" Wooden Nickel-ly Styx from Canada.

George Smith, Monday, 7 March 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

Ha ha, I lump Christ Child (who I like) in with Starjets (who I barely remember, despite being able to hum "War Stories" off the top of my head right this second, and who in fact probably sounded more like 999 or even the Undertones), for some reason, even though they probably had nothing sonically in common -- similar super-low-rent black and white album covers, maybe?

chuck, Monday, 7 March 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

But yes, I absolutely totally agree with your point about Hounds's "pretty good bar band stab at tasteless excrement." Oh wait....

chuck, Monday, 7 March 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

I hated Starjets. They were like a really sub-mediocre version of "999." No "Biggest Prize in Sport." Low rent they definitely wear, simple B&W photo and no art to speak of. Christ Child had a more rotted look and feel.

Starjets makes me think of Starfighters, the band with the cousins and castoffs of AC/DC, wasn't it? One of those albums was decent heavy boogie.

George Smith, Monday, 7 March 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

...and HARLEQUIN and HEADPINS and ZON (who even I don't remember!) and other Canuckleheads?

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 7 March 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

Woah, Headpins! A pretty goil!

From Jasper & Oliver's "International Encyclopedia of Hard Rock & Heavy Metal:"

ZON Pomp rock of the first order. "Astral Projector" is the near classic, full of every overblown musical cliche ever laid on vinyl.

Headpins "Headpins started as a studio project by Chilliwack stalwarts...They invited the delicious Darby Mill, who makes Kate Bush seem positively unattractive, to take the lead vocals...the style is brilliant, over-the-top, high energy metal with touches of AC/DC."

Which surely overstates things in its enthusiasm.

George Smith, Monday, 7 March 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

Do you remember Hammersmith?

George Smith, Monday, 7 March 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

I really think you guys would get a kick out of this site:

http://www.glory-daze.com/html/modules.php?name=Topics

Scan down to the 80s reviews.

Sang Freud (jeff_s), Monday, 7 March 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

Hey, man, you're right! I can vouch, Creed rooled! Not the big deal Creed for you idle passers-by. The real Creed from '78

From the dim dark days of 1978 came a band with a southern style called Creed. Lets not get this mob confused with that other popular outfit by the same name from the late 90's. This Creed go way back into time. The guys in the band weren't up to much before and after this effort, but they did leave a legacy of a great album with some enjoyable moments. They have a bar-room boogie mentality about them, which places them in the same booth as The Boyzz, or Foghat for that matter. But let me reconfirm, the predominant sound and style is of period seventies hard rock. Vocalist Hal Butler has a lot in common with The Doobie Brothers Tom Johnston, though their music is not as commercial as those guys. So, if you think about a mixture of all that, then you've got Creed sussed.

Creed give us a storming opener in 'Keep On Rockin', and thats exactly what they do to great effect. Despite the songtitle 'Tied Down', they are gonna do nothing of the sort with this type of catchy southern rock being dished up. For me the album highlight is the keyboard driven event that is 'Firecracker'. The relentless boogie attack continues on 'You Never See It That Way'. There's clever guitar lines leading into 'Just Can't Stop' with some interesting instrumentation in between. 'Too Proud To Cry' is a rollicking piece of hard rock, which has a British blues feel to it, while Butler lets his keyboard fingers do the talking on 'Can't Find Love'. The band could be forgiven for slowing down by the time they get to the end with 'Time And Time Again', but they don't, with keyboard flurries and guitar solos flying out the window in true 'lets go out with a bang' attitude. Unfortunately for Creed, there would never be another time for them again, based on this one off effort.

Judging from what I've heard on this album, I can imagine they would have been an awesome band to see live. There's so much energy coming through the speakers that it's obvious they've rolled some of that live spirit into the studio. This is definitely the sort of sound/album now being promoted by labels such as Record Heaven, who deal with that retro hard rock sound. As I mentioned, nothing really heard from these guys since (and it's been a long time between drinks). Anyone with any news please feel free to drop us a line.

Review

George Smith, Monday, 7 March 2005 21:47 (twenty years ago)

I have this Morningstar LP. But I'm not as enthusiastic. I would say it sucked. But the album is terrific, of course.

http://www.glory-daze.com/html/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=187

Like Shooting Star, Morningstar were from Kansas City, Missouri - in the heart of the Midwest. It shows in their music, for the most part a powerful blend of Midwestern Pomp and late 70's AOR. Closest relatives would be Boston, Roadmaster and possibly Styx with much more power. This self titled debut turned out to be the first of only two albums from this great band.

And they get Ram Jam's "Portrait of the Artist as a Young Ram" right.

And here's Nantucket, which I reviewed for the Voice with Ten Benson. Again, on the mark.

http://www.glory-daze.com/html/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=357

St. Paradise, too, although they seem to miss that "Live It Up" was a redo from Nugent days, except the way Derek wanted it:

http://www.glory-daze.com/html/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=338

Hye, they have Laurie and the Sighs in there which was a major garage heavy thing aimed at the New Wave which, of course, it failed at miserably because Laurie and company were just TOO DAMNED HEAVY and CRUNCHING.

They missed Point Blank's debut but get "The Hard Way" which is OK.

Lion's "Dangerous Attraction," had one great song, later covered by Heep, I thin' "Running All Night with the Lion." The rest blew.

Thanks much for the link. It was a segment of my old record collection!

George Smith, Monday, 7 March 2005 22:01 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I went through something of an AOR phase recently, and now I have shelves full of the stuff, thanks mostly to that site. Glad you enjoyed. . .

Sang Freud (jeff_s), Monday, 7 March 2005 22:22 (twenty years ago)

Hey, did Headpins do "Just One More Night" ("Ooh baby, ooh da-arling")?

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 05:32 (twenty years ago)

Streetheart!! "Takin' pills for kicks, I need a fix...drugstore dancer, I GOT DRUGSTORE CANCER" vs "Hey baby...I got some money...I wanna take you out...to McDonalds" 'Under Heaven Over Hell' (prod. Manny Charlton) sounded like Mahavishnu, 'Drugstore Dancer' sounded like the Germs

dave q (listerine), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 05:58 (twenty years ago)

Paul Dean and Matt Frenette left Streetheart (brutal-ass Winnipeg rock city) and went to Loverboy (nuwave resort-town Vancouver), difference in bands' sounds reflect this, StHeart's "Let Me Go" is a Stewart/Mellencamp thing (cf Loverboy "Emotional") except it's about getting fucked up and waving guns around

dave q (listerine), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 06:05 (twenty years ago)

Prism on the other hand were just shit, although they did have "Spaceship supersta-a-a-a-ar, with my solar-powered laser beam guita-a-a-ar"

dave q (listerine), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 06:12 (twenty years ago)

"super cool new wave proto-hair/post-glam borderline-disco semi-metal bubble-prog hard rock bands"

Obviously this sounds grebt. Do any of these bands REALLY REALLY (genuinely) live up to this description? (Because, you know, these albums cost A DOLLAR. And they might make for CLUTTER in the house.)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 06:13 (twenty years ago)

Yes, of course they do. No one would lie to you. Hounds were definitely great. They were stupid and low rent and they had an album cover that looked like the orignal plan for "Smell the Glove" before Spinal Tap came along and ruined things. Such features guaranteed the band would be taken for fools by the rock critics of the period which they duly were. And because they were unselfconscious they just went for it.

And Shooting Star & Morningstar were both from St. Louis and did the same things only with pomp and keys. SS was more successful and MS were harder sounding. Morningstar in mint condition was selling for 25 cents in Pasadena and you can't even buy a daily newspaer for that. Bargain!!

Everything reviewed on Glory Daze is grate! Susan, Dixon House Band, Doc Holliday, Teri Desario, Tears, "Girl You Blew a Good Thing" Nantucket...

Next we'll be into Flame, City Boy, Sabu (well, maybe not), Precious Metal...

George Smith, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 06:28 (twenty years ago)

From Jasper & Oliver's "International Encyclopedia of Hard Rock and Heavy Metal:"

Shooting Star: One of the finest pomp rock outifts to emanate from the USA...Shooting Star's sound is like a cross between Kansas, Styx and Foreigner. Their LPs have improved consitently and culminate with "Ill Wishes" which enjoyed considerable success...

Which is to say they were a semi-disco proto-glam hard rock bubblegum metal etc. band.

Morningstar, again from Jasper & Oliver's International Encyclopedia:

Multi-instrumentalists who look like a straighforward, head down boogie outfit ... But the music is more complex pomp rock, like rock and roll version of Starcastle. They are a good band with a resemblance to Axe.

George Smith, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 06:36 (twenty years ago)

If you're looking for more canadian bar band bubblemetal, what about Toronto? the band, I mean, not MegaCleveland. "Get It On Credit"? Anyway, their singer Holly Woods was kind of like a poppier Darby Mills. And Lee Aaron? The Killer Dwarfs?

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 06:47 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Toronto was good third tier stuff. And the girl power always helps. Seems like Headpins had more traction, though. Canadian gutsy pomp and AOR always did great on undercards with the American powers like Head East and pre-sales REO Speedwagon.

Peoples here should check Terry Luttrell pre-Cronin REO Speedwagon. The band likes to see that buried but it is because they are pansies and embarrassed that once they were very full of thud and thrilled to write songs about women in prison.

George Smith, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 06:54 (twenty years ago)

"Teri Desario?!" (Had a hit single "Yes I'm Ready" circa '79, duetting with Harry Casey, minus his Sunshine Band!)

Actually I MEANT Toronto, rather than Headpins. Always got 'em confused, (same as 10 yrs later when I'd confuse Sass Jordan with Alanna Myles.)

George, didja know that Dave Marsh described Creed as "Ten Years After, ten years after" and gave 'em zero stars in that Rolling Stone "blue" book? So, you should expand your quality-indicators to include Dave & the blue book, besides Xgau & the red!

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 07:56 (twenty years ago)

Chilliwack 'Opus X' is the Headpins with a different singer (a former hippie/prog folksinger dude), side one = disco Firefall, side 2 = CreedenceDC, better than Diesel

dave q (listerine), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 07:57 (twenty years ago)

Sass Jordan vs EG Daily vs Jennifer Herrema

dave q (listerine), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 07:58 (twenty years ago)

George, didja know that Dave Marsh described Creed as "Ten Years After, ten years after" and gave 'em zero stars in that Rolling Stone "blue" book?

No. But Marsh was already part of the upside down barometer. My perception was that he despised hard rock. Everything he hated I liked, a matter/anti-matter equation, so to speak. There's good humor value in his one-line quashes although there are better insulters, too.

Creed was something I picked up thirty years ago for about a dollar around the same time I was buying Moxy albums. I often played them in the same session.

George Smith, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

And, yeah, Teri Desario. Made an album that was supposed to be in competition with Pat Benatar. It wasn't but because that was the idea it was hard rock. Don't recall if that single was on it, probably not. Anyway, she was in the same peer group as Laurie & the Sighs. Everyone wanted Pat Benatar clones and it didn't turn out that way because the women sized for the PB suit had good but radically different voices and backing bands. Laurie & the Sighs should be reissued. The woman had this stormy, blaring voice and the band was mixed real loud just to compete with it, completely opposite of Benatar records and even Patty Smyth and Scandal.

George Smith, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

The RS Blue Book is great!! One review in its entirety...

THOMAS BUCKNASTY/ Blast-O-Funk
(0 stars)
Rot-o-record.
(John Swenson, I think)

dave q (listerine), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, but as I've pointed out many times, the RS RED book (from 1979 as opposed to 1983) is about ten times even better than that, Dave!

chuck, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 18:06 (twenty years ago)

Wait, Dave, how good WERE Diesel? I play "Sausalito Summernight" in my DJ sets all the time! (Nobody dances! New Yorkers are morons!!)

chuck, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

I mostly remember their Rockline interview. "The name, it means...power!" "Sausalito", what a great riff, if it were halfspeed and an octave lower it would be Cabaret Voltaire except better

dave q (listerine), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)

ie 'screwed and chopped', like the car they're singing about!

dave q (listerine), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

The right thing to do would be to take "red book" and "blue book" one/zero star and bullet reviews and anthologize/index them in HTML on an offshore server. It really does beg to have its copyright violated. It could be the upside down Glory Daze. I seem to recall a review of the Dictators, probably by Marsh, "songs about wrestling and contempt, a new low..."

George Smith, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

ten months pass...
Revive. I revise things I said on Shooting Star upthread. Much higher in guitar octane on first two albums than supposed. If you see the second, "Hang On For Your Life," and like good hard rock with some boogie but more hooks, then GET IT.

Were supposed to be like Kansas but where from Kansas City so why'd everyone describe 'em that way. Must have been the fiddle which is pushed out of the way in most of the hard rock tunes and more gone for "Silent Scream" (I'm hearing it now in the cracks of one of the big arena-aimed production ballads) which was the most AOR of them. Latter is probably too Journey-ish for many but it was the last for Virgin, so the edict had to have been get a single at all costs.

Had two songs on "Up The Creek" soundtrack which still sells and is in replay somewhere in the US during the year. The movie was duff, and I liked the soundtrack.

Entire Virgin catalog transfered to guitar player who administrated it to digital on-line last year, as far as I can tell.

George the Animal Steele, Monday, 16 January 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

[Silent Scream] is probably too Journey-ish for many but it was the last for Virgin

Uh-oh. Wasn't on Virgin, but was last before that edition of band ruptured. Album previous was last on Virgin. Scream might've been on Geffen. I guess I should check.

And the "Up the Creek" songs are cool. "Take It" the most rocking, "Get Ready Boy" a close second.

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

I'm making a special custom box set of Shooting Star, including the jawbone of an opossum which died of natural causes as a souvenir or something to make part of a keychain.

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:15 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, first Shooting Star (Virgin, 1979) I have "Tonight," "Midnight Man", and "Bring It On" marked as my favorite tracks; *Hang On To Your Life* (Epic, 1981) I have "Teaser," "She's Got Money," and "You've Got Love* marked. Both definitely worth looking around for. Both albums came out during my stint at University of Missouri, where they were quite popular.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:25 (nineteen years ago)

Hang on FOR Your Life, I mean

xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:26 (nineteen years ago)

So what Michael Stanley was to Clevo, Shooting Star was to Kansas City, Mizzou? Or Wyandotte County? Or ...

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 07:46 (nineteen years ago)

I guess DAKOTA ought to be in this thread, too. Half of them were formerly the Buoys, which made them from Pennsylvania. Hah! Give me two weeks to dig this stuff up and I'll be back with a report.

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 08:07 (nineteen years ago)

I thought the Buoys were from Detroit? Maybe they just played around there in da 60s. Not to be confused with the Boyzz of Too Wild To Tame infamy, IIRC they were from Chicago part of the same barband scene as Hounds. You guys would've liked my old homeboy Ricky's Ohio-based mid 70s postglamprotoAORbubbleglam bands, PUNK & the Bombers (not the disco group) too bad they never recorded. He played in a Chicago metalflake/pwerpop band called d'Thumbs, too.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 11:22 (nineteen years ago)

Nah, the Buoys were from Pennsy. Saw them many times, hated them in perpetuity, particularly after one excruciating gig at a bowling alley. Generally, the locals were ecstatic over them. Had that "hit," "Timothy," about cannibalism. I believe it was written by Rupert Holmes who was pretty much responsible for getting them recorded and into a national contract and circulation.

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

Hah! xhuxk, 1994 debut album with Karen Lawrence reissued with extra tracks in late October of last year. Big news, that record was red hot when it came out, in 1984 or thereabouts, maybe even more way back.

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

This has got to be an elaborate joke, right? Right?

Myonga Vön Bontee, Sunday, 23 March 2008 08:19 (seventeen years ago)

"Check out [All Music Guide]. You will be grossly misinformed." CAP-fatigue and having to keep snapping the Geocities ad banner back in place made me quit, though. I kind of agree with 'em that Bon Jovi owed something of a debt to Prism.

Gorge, Sunday, 23 March 2008 16:46 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah, but "Baba O'Riley"?!

Myonga Vön Bontee, Monday, 24 March 2008 00:53 (seventeen years ago)

BODY: Hey you dumb shit, baba o'reilly was released 8 years before any of Prism's [EXPLICATIVE DELETED].

WE WERE PRETTY SAD WHEN WE FIRST GOT THIS EMAIL BUT THEN WE KNOW THAT UNFORTUNATELY NOT EVERYONE IN THE WORLD LOVES PRISM AS MUCH AS WE DO AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T KNOW AS MUCH ABOUT THE HISTORY OF MUSIC AS WE DO EITHER AND WE KNOW THA T MUSIC BEGINS AND ENDS WITH THE GLORY OF PRISM NOT BABA O "WE STOLE THIS SHIT FROM SEE FOREVER EYES AHAHAHHA" REILLY!!!! BUT WE ARE NOT ANGRY BECAUSE WE ARE PRISM FANS AND THEREFORE HAVE THE PURE LOVE IN OUR HEARTS JUST LIKE ALL OF PRISM'S AWESOME FANS DO!!! YEAH FUCKING ROCK ON FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!! NOW FOR PRISM FAN ART!!!!!

xhuxk, Monday, 24 March 2008 02:16 (seventeen years ago)

You have to admit the over-the-topness CAPshouting almost makes you want to rush out and buy a copy of See Forever Eyes or Young and Restless -- both of which I used to have. Almost...

I remember Young and Restless as jam-packed with way too much histrionic and pomp rock cornpone, even for me.

Gorge, Monday, 24 March 2008 03:27 (seventeen years ago)


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