Okay, where the hell are the transparent fours? (An REM reissue thread)

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So there's a batch of new reissues of the early Warner REM albums: Green, Out of Time, Automatic for the People, Monster and New Adventures in HiFi. Each new reissue features the original album, and a bonus DVD-Audio disc that also includes a photo gallery and video footage.

I haven't really delved into the DVDs yet, but feel free to do so here.

My first question, though, is where the hell are the transparent fours that used to be overlaid on top of the R's on Green's cover? You'd think with a deluxe reissue they could at least spare a couple of buxx for some transparent fours. Dammit all.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 7 March 2005 22:05 (twenty years ago)

That R=4 thing blew my 9-year-old mind

miccio (miccio), Monday, 7 March 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)

It was my "Paul Is Dead"

miccio (miccio), Monday, 7 March 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)

(There will be a pause in this thread, while everyone rushes to their copy of Green to see if they got one of the versions with the fours on top of the R's.)

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 7 March 2005 22:28 (twenty years ago)

methinks they have a wee bit of recoupage to do before they get to drop cash on reissue packaging.

i'm curious if the new adventures reissue is worth the $20, though. anyone?

john'n'chicago, Monday, 7 March 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)

It's the one I haven't seen in stores yet. It's the next one I'll get, though.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 7 March 2005 22:42 (twenty years ago)

Because, see, Chronic Town = 10 (1,000,000 = power of 10), Murmur = 9 (9-9), Reckoning = 8, Fables = 7 (mysteriously, Driver 8 and 7 Chinese Brothers change places on these records), LRP = 6 (six of one, half dozen the other), Document = 5 (on the cover) and Green = 4 (on the cover again.) Therefore, Out of Time = 3, Automatic for the People = 2, and Monster = 1 = LAST ALBUM BEFORE R.E.M. REPLACED BY BODY DOUBLES.

Now they are trying to hide the truth.

Guayaquil, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 02:15 (twenty years ago)

I was obssessed with this countdown theory for a crazy long period of time. although the way things actually turned out almost ends up giving it a weird validation.

PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

is there some kind of website that chronicles this paranoid fantasy shit?

his face was burned off in a flaming crossbow accident (King Kobra), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 04:16 (twenty years ago)

I want to believe

Aaron A., Wednesday, 9 March 2005 04:21 (twenty years ago)

is there some kind of website that chronicles this paranoid fantasy shit?

You're on it.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 04:39 (twenty years ago)

wasn't there a pact that they would break up at the 40 watt club at midnight 2000? or is this just part of the r.e.m. apocrypha? i must've read this somewhere sometime during the main stretch of r.e.m. fanboydom dating from 1989 through 1995 (like 6th grade through high school), but maybe i'm mistaken - and i don't have any of those goofy books any more to do the "research".

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 04:45 (twenty years ago)

http://www.cs.uu.nl/wais/html/na-dir/music/rem-faq/part1.html

A shoutout to Chris Piuma on that page, too!

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 05:07 (twenty years ago)

I totally remember Mike Mills saying that about breaking up in 2000 in a TV interview blackmail, and I really, really wish they would have...

Don't Ever Antagonize The Horny (AaronHz), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 05:16 (twenty years ago)

(There will be a pause in this thread, while everyone rushes to their copy of Green to see if they got one of the versions with the fours on top of the R's.)

holy shit! i've been sitting on one for years and never realized it.

rajeev (rajeev), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 05:29 (twenty years ago)

For the Lazy:
o B3. "Why is there a '4' superimposed over the 'R' on the Green cover?"

The story told in interviews is that someone (most likely Michael Stipe)
was typing the name of the album and hit the '4' key instead of the 'R'
(note their proximity on the "qwerty" keyboard). Somebody (again, most
likely Michael Stipe) thought it was a neat idea and carried it on to the
packaging as a faint transparent "4" over the "R" in both "GREEN" and "REM"
on the CD notes, and by "numbering" the fourth song ("Stand") with an "R".
Some later pressings (notably CD club versions) may not have the "4"s on
the cover.

Some newsgroup readers have connected this to the fact that Lifes Rich
Pageant has "OR" in place of "04" in the track listing.

When remarking on oddities in R.E.M. packaging and publicity, always bear
in mind the band's eccentric creative bent. (See also the answer to the
next question.)

o B4. "There's a '5' on Document and a '4' on Green, and wait, there's a
'10' on Chronic Town, and a '9' on Murmur and an '8' on Fables, and a '7'
on Reckoning! Is this some kind of countdown?"

This is an urban legend which even the band are weary of denying. The topic
has also been the subject of many flame wars, and most newsgroup members
don't want to hear any more about it. On AOL in August 1994, Stipe said
this about the so-called countdown theory:

"the countdown is a silly coincidence. i swear it. pb [Peter
Buck] sez were going into neg.#;s next, so there. i did put the
#7 on each record for a while but started getting strange mail in
volumes about it and so we quit. no reason for 7, it was just a
cool typo thing [like typefaces on fables]."

For what it's worth, r.m.r reader Chris Perry pointed out the following
sevens on album covers:

Murmur, in midst of liner notes on inner sleeve, typewritten
"SEVEN"; Reckoning, hand-drawn three-dimensional seven with
a line running through it on inner sleeve; Fables, very thin
calligraphy-looking seven in corner of inner sleeve; Lifes
Rich Pageant, underneath the Cricket Machine diagram, "Seven
Continents as one Hurrah we are all free now".

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 05:35 (twenty years ago)


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