Is Cap'n Jazz to blame for D4shb0ard Conf3ssional?

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Is this where emo began to stray from its hardcore roots into whiny navelgazing?

I still kinda like Cap'n Jazz. But maybe Hoobastank would never have happened...

(regretting this thread already!)

― Aaron A., Tuesday, 8 March 2005 04:39 (twenty years ago)

yeah, man, no, not at all. the beginning of dashboard confessional WAS, though, Cap'N Jazz offshoot band The Promise Ring. They coulda been contenders.

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 04:41 (twenty years ago)

and I still like some Promise Ring, mainly the pure pop of the later albums. And dammit I still enjoy the first Joan of Arc LP!

― Aaron A., Tuesday, 8 March 2005 04:45 (twenty years ago)

i actually like both of those first promise ring 7"s - falsetto keeps time and the other one with the brown cover - watertown plank? shit wot a great memory i have. But yeah, that twee / shy bad poet in a cardigan shit sorta began with 'Davey" and company. Joan of Arc is OK but Cap'N jazz kinda ruled and I can name at least two 'free noise / folk' superstars who agree with me but won't ever admit it publicly

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 04:51 (twenty years ago)

I like the Cap'n Jazz anthology alright, but that was merely the beginning of Tim Kinsella's fascinating wise ass concept rock with Joan of Arc. If these nu-emo bands start getting that weirdly ambitious, and begin to play around with abstraction and politics, then rock radio might become very interesting.

― herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 05:00 (twenty years ago)

I used to have that Cap'n Jazz double CD anthology. I sold it when I realized I hadn't listened to it in like three years. I have fond memories of a few of those tunes, though.

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 05:01 (twenty years ago)

come on man 'CAAAANIIIINE.......ATE SEVEN SICK FIVE YEAR OOOOOOLDS"

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 05:03 (twenty years ago)

Actually all of those Cap'n Jazz dudes progressed musically in interesting ways. Check out Victor Villareal's guitar work on the Owls record. Sam Zurick's aggressive prog riffs on the Make Believe ep.

― herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 05:11 (twenty years ago)

I don't know how far back Cap'n Jazz stretches, but I always considered the rise of post-D.C.-style emo to have begun with Sunny Day Real Estate's Diary. It is amazing that Enigk was like 17 when he recorded that record.

― BlastsOfStatic (BlastsofStatic), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 19:21 (twenty years ago)

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