tupac didn't know the words to the chorus of "changes"

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"Yeah" is still a better crunk'n'b song than anything the 'better' 'representatives' have come up with.

scg, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

"lean back" by terror squad was the only hip hop banger of 2004.

scg, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

50 cent only raps about getting shot.

scg, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

jay z only raps about money.

scg, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

the singer of the fiery furnaces is really fit.

scg, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

in comparison to grime, garage is shallow and superficial.

scg, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

mia's fake dancehall is better than the real thing.

scg, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

dizzee rascal is overrated by american rock critics.

scg, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

lady sovereign isn't real. i am from toronto blud.

scg, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

hype hype is lyrically a piece of shit.

scg, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

lil scrappy's "no problem" is a great example of experimental electronic street music.

scg, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

dubstep is boring.

scg, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

Oh ILM

djdee (djdee2005), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)

the bowie song!?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)

(sorry. i'm really really bored.)

scg, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:55 (twenty years ago)

Tupac's dead. Let's all move on.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)

scg, cozen was asking after you, on the grime thread.


hi

adam.r.l. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

"Alex In NYC is the Tupac of ILX". Discuss.

adam.r.l. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

Here's a memory jog for Mr Shakur:

[Kelly:]
I feel unhappy
I am so sad
I lost the best friend
That I've ever had

[Ozzy:]
She is my baby
I love her so
But it's too late now
I've let her go

[Both:]
We're going through changes (ohh - [chorus])
We're going through changes (ahh - [chorus])

[Kelly:]
We've shared the years
We've shared each day
I love you daddy
But I found my way

[Ozzy:]
You know the world
Is an evil place
My baby is grown now
She's found her way

[Both:]
(ohh ahh - [Chorus])
We're going through changes (ohh - [chorus])
We're going through changes (ohh - [chorus])
(ahh - [Chorus])

[Kelly:]
It took so long
To realize
I can still hear
His last goodbyes

[Ozzy:]
Now all my days
I'm filled in fears
Wish I could go back
And change the years

[Both:]
We're going through changes
We're going through changes (changes - [Chorus])
We're going through... Changes

[Both:]
Changes
Changes
Changes...

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

He died, Dom.

adam.r.l. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

Is that song about puberty?

djdee (djdee2005), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

He died, Dom.

2Pac died on Friday the 13th...

Las Vegas is a payoff City.. meaning all sorts of folks have been known to be on the take.. that means doctors, press, lawyers etc

The white Cadillac containing the assailants was never found... How could this be when Vegas is in the middle of a desert?

There's a small Black community on the North side of town.. This strip is only about 8 blocks long.. The attackers were Black.. Where did they go? Where did they hide?

The white Cadillac containing the gunmen passes a entourage of 2Pac's boys. Many of them body guards... No one gives chase and there are no witness...There were no witnesses on the street... How come? Why not?

The name of 2Pac's next album is Machiavelli.. He was an Italian war strategist who faked his death to fool his enemies... Perhaps 2Pac is doing the same thing..

The cover of his next album has 2Pac looking like Jesus Christ... Could he be planning a resurrection?

Las Vegas is in the middle of the desert.. How come there was no helicopter chase... If some one was to rob a casino.. The LVPD would've chased you down with some helicopters.. . How come this didn't happen with 2Pac shooting?

2Pac was cremated the day after he died... Since when does some one get cremated the day after a murder... There was no autopsy

There were no ballistic tests... At least we haven't heard about them....

Las Vegas is still very much a mob town.. No one gets killed on the strip... You have to pretty much get permission in order for something like this to happen.. Who was calling the shots on this one?

2Pac's vehicle got shot 12 times and Suge didn't get hit once.. He was 'grazed' by a bullet.. Why did 2Pac get shot all those times and Suge not get hit?

Suge said he drove 2Pac to the hospital and they had a coherent conversation? How bad was 2Pac hit? In addition to all this .. there are conflicting stories claiming that Quincy Jone's daughter was in the back of the car.. and then she wasn't.. what's the deal for real?

2Pac has completed 2 movies and 3 lps that have yet to be released.. With so many people upset about 2Pac's death literally anything connected with him is bound to net a whole lot of cash...

Suge Knight and 2Pac are the only two music industry people on that high a profile with enough balls to pull off a stunt like faking death...

2Pac's video 'I Ain't Mad At Ya' foretold his death ....

2Pac always wore a bullet proof vest but for some strange reason he didn't wear one this time.. why not?

The memorial services that were open to the public were cancelled in both Los Angeles and Atlanta...

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

that's actually a really good song dom. adam, do you like insides? i can't get enough of them today. i think i really like indie.

scg, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

why doesn't ilm love pac?

scg, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

Because we've only listened to his singles and not his mixtape stuff.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

i have to go and learn how to live heavy things properly. can someone explain why ilm doesn't love 2pac or why ilm does love 2pac whilst i'm gone?

scg, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

if ILM truly doesn't love 2pac, its because they haven't heard "I Get Around."

djdee (djdee2005), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

Fuck, even I've heard "I Get Around." And it's crap.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

Why do you even bother posting in these threads?

djdee (djdee2005), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

Voice of reason.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...
Tupac's dead. Let's all move on.
-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), March 8th, 2005 10:13 AM.

10 years ago today.

deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 20:16 (eighteen years ago)

Did Tupac ever even hear "That's Just The Way It Is", let alone intend on sampling it for "Changes"?

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 21:16 (eighteen years ago)

turn and face the strain

Dr. Alicia B. Titsovich (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 21:20 (eighteen years ago)

Geir, I think pretty much every non-deaf non-housebound non-vegetative person in the U.S. heard "That's Just the Way It Is" at least a couple times.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 21:27 (eighteen years ago)

four years pass...

Why do people like this song?

billstevejim, Friday, 15 July 2011 21:01 (fourteen years ago)

momma dropped them as a baby

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 15 July 2011 21:21 (fourteen years ago)

Brenda?

billstevejim, Friday, 15 July 2011 21:42 (fourteen years ago)

as a pedantic dickhead type I'm as "guh dude it's not 'things'll never be the same' and besides that doesn't even make any sense" as the next pedantic dickhead but the thing is absolutely nobody should give half a shit about the chorus when the verses are as all-time as:

I see no changes. Wake up in the morning and I ask myself
"Is life worth living? Should I blast myself?"
I'm tired of bein poor and even worse I'm black
My stomach hurts, so I'm lookin for a purse to snatch
Cops give a damn about a negro?
Pull the trigger, kill a nigga, he's a hero
Give the crack to the kids, who the hell cares?
One less hungry mouth on the welfare
First ship 'em dope & let 'em deal to the brothers
Give 'em guns, step back, and watch 'em kill each other
"It's time to fight back", that's what Huey said
Two shots in the dark now Huey's dead

like if you can't feel that there's something dead inside you imo or else you don't care about lyrics because those are sit-the-fuck-down-and-study-this good

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 15 July 2011 21:49 (fourteen years ago)

the song is called "That's Just the Way It Is" http://i.imgur.com/zi7hd.gif

jizz box chevy (dave cool), Friday, 15 July 2011 21:55 (fourteen years ago)

http://i52.tinypic.com/35lbszb.jpg

Spotify_Ottify_Dopify (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Friday, 15 July 2011 21:57 (fourteen years ago)

The Tupac 'Changes' instrumental was used by Insane Clown Posse in "Mom Song" a mothers day song.

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 15 July 2011 22:01 (fourteen years ago)

guys i bumped the other changes thread a week ago, c'mon. i think as much as there are parts of this that don't hold a candle to him breathing fire on me against the world &c, a twenty-fucking-what?,-three? year old guy whose lungs you can hear in his voice, he's still totally on, sounds like he can't stop himself, back-w-the-blacks-givin-it-back-to-you, & jack you up, back you up, crack you up & pimp smack you up. & aero otm, i don't know if people hate on this because it's too broad brush or what?, but i buy that, coming from someone who sounds as just weary as he does.

what don't you like about it billstevejim

Aa Bb Obscure Dull Blue (#000066) (schlump), Friday, 15 July 2011 22:15 (fourteen years ago)

teach me how to cutty

am0n, Friday, 15 July 2011 22:16 (fourteen years ago)

guys i bumped the other changes thread a week ago, c'mon.

sorry i searched "tupac changes" .. i would've posted in the one you bumped if i saw it.

The sample and chorus are pretty lame and distracting from the lyrics.. The words may be great for all I know, but I can't begin to dissect them with such a bland backing track. I wouldn't mind it as much if people didn't have have the hugest hardon for this song.. If the lyrics are considered that great, then I guess that answers my question..

billstevejim, Friday, 15 July 2011 23:14 (fourteen years ago)

aero otm

bed bath and beyoncé (The Reverend), Saturday, 16 July 2011 00:57 (fourteen years ago)

that other thread is horrible - people taking issue with "change the way we eat" like it was lol - Pac is talking about how shitty eating habits in poor communities make life even worse, when you eat shitty you feel shitty - when he says "change the way we eat, change the way we live & change the way we treat each other" it's beautiful and inspiring, Pac at his most passionate for the places he came from, on some each one teach one stuff

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 16 July 2011 01:24 (fourteen years ago)

Z-Ro sampling/reinterpolating(?) "I wake up in the morning and ask myself/Is life worth living should I blast myself?" is classic.

Plus, this was the song that was always on the radio back in '99 when I was driving my best friend who was on work release back to jail every night. Mems of sitting in some AZ jail parking lot trying to milk the last few minutes of freedom out of the music on the radio.

President Keyes, Saturday, 16 July 2011 01:37 (fourteen years ago)

President Keyes was a beautiful image! man that is awesome

thread is getting me very emotional

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 16 July 2011 01:40 (fourteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

as a pedantic dickhead type I'm as "guh dude it's not 'things'll never be the same' and besides that doesn't even make any sense" as the next pedantic dickhead

this has been rattling around my head since i read it & i think while it's sorta right there's a way in which the chorus makes good sense in the song, too; that's just the way it is/things'll never be the same is a contradiction, but:

I'd love to go back to when we played as kids
But things changed, that's the way it is--

That's just the way it is
Things will never be the same
that's just the way it is

like if it's things will never be the same [as when we were kids, b/c things changed], then that's just the way it is [; things change] follows on neatly. it isn't 'things are immutable/things have changed', it's 'things are different now/not like they were when we were kids/dealwithit.gif'.

i know we did not need to unpack this, & i don't know if 'man this chorus does not make sense!' was ever a big thing, but because i didn't even understand what was wrong with that couplet i ended up thinking about it a lot, & think it makes sense grounded in those last two lines of the verse.

(oboe interlude) (schlump), Thursday, 4 August 2011 11:11 (fourteen years ago)

That's just the way it is
Things will never be the same
Dealwithit.gif

dutty whiney (The Reverend), Thursday, 4 August 2011 18:50 (fourteen years ago)

xp This makes sense to me... I have no problem with the paradox of a unchanging world of change.

My problem is that the music sounds like fucking elevator music, and the chorus sounds like it was sung by the producer's next-door neighbor.

billstevejim, Thursday, 4 August 2011 18:58 (fourteen years ago)

an*

billstevejim, Thursday, 4 August 2011 18:58 (fourteen years ago)

I think I've heard the instrumental version on the Weather channel during "Local On The 8's" a few times.

billstevejim, Thursday, 4 August 2011 19:04 (fourteen years ago)


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