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This is Stylus' album of the week... but what the hell is it exactly?

― poortheatre (poortheatre), Friday, 11 March 2005 02:42 (twenty years ago)

um, did you read the review? ;)

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 11 March 2005 02:47 (twenty years ago)

Matos just wrote them up:
http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0509/050302_music_cdreviews.php

I've been hearing about them from some New Yorkers on a mailing list for years, didn't really understand what they were about until they started getting more press recently. apparently they've covered some Geraldine Fibbers songs, which is pretty cool.

― Al (sitcom), Friday, 11 March 2005 02:56 (twenty years ago)

kiki & herb's live shows were so great. ive seen it about 20 times

― phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 11 March 2005 02:57 (twenty years ago)

haha, yea, I read the review. I guess I should have said, "This is Stylus' album of the week...ILM, TELL ME MORE!" and batted my eyelashes.

― poortheatre (poortheatre), Friday, 11 March 2005 02:58 (twenty years ago)

Kiki and Herb are god. Best thing I saw at Bumbershoot Festival. Way, way better than re-united Pixies.

― Star Cauliflower (Star Cauliflower), Friday, 11 March 2005 02:59 (twenty years ago)

it's so cool these two are finally getting press outside of nyc!

― lychee mello (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 11 March 2005 03:05 (twenty years ago)

They do a bizarre cover of Sleater-Kinney's "I'm Not Waiting" too

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 11 March 2005 03:07 (twenty years ago)

the belle & sebastian, "fox in the snow" and the "wutang motherfucker" are fun too

― phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 11 March 2005 03:20 (twenty years ago)

the first album's really good, as well. the live thing is amazing, though--basically a recording of their final NYC show (the last ever, apparently, though I certainly hope not). saw 'em twice in Seattle, once at Bumbershoot and once before. totally killer both times.

Tricia Romano did a nice feature on them for SW as well: http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0425/040623_music_kikiandherb.php

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 11 March 2005 03:24 (twenty years ago)

and here's one of Alex Ross's best New Yorker pieces on them: http://www.therestisnoise.com/2004/04/kiki_and_herb_1.html

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 11 March 2005 03:57 (twenty years ago)

I first saw K&H in London, upstairs at 333 Old Street, in about '97. They hadn't formulated much of an act then. I remember being part-fascinated, part-horrified by the way this drunken harridan butchered some of my favourite songs: loud, off-key, drunken singing accompanied by cocktail piano.

It wasn't till I saw a full show at Fez in New York in '99 that I 'got' them. Kiki launched into a traumatic story - apparently true - about an American couple who didn't feel their child was quite 'right', so their evangelical pastor suggested the child should literally be reborn. The wrapped the child inside a roll of carpet - 'Mummy, I can't breathe" - and pushed it through the long, airless tube, in the belief it would emerge a better person. The child died. Suffocated. "Ah well," said the pastor, "God obviously didn't want your child to live that way."

Kiki followed that up with This Woman's Work, or something, and I was wracked with sobs.

I've since seen them maybe five or six times, though I've never quite captured that same feeling. The best thing about them, for me, is Kiki's stories. Each new show brings a new instalment to her life story. We hear a little bit more about her kids, and get tantalising clues about just how her daughter Missy died.

But their recent shows seem to concentrate more on the songs - and the same bloody songs over and over. Fox in the snow, foxinthesnowfoxinthesnow....

I bought their first album, but - well - without the visuals, without the back-story, you're left with a drunken harridan butchering songs, accompanied by cocktail piano.

Whatever did happen to Missy, anyhow? That's what I want to know.

― davidsim (davidsim), Friday, 11 March 2005 04:08 (twenty years ago)

I should have read the Alex Ross piece before posting the above. It really is very, very good, and tells you everything you should know about K&H. (Like the fact that their drowned daughter was called Coco, not Missy, gah.)

― davidsim (davidsim), Friday, 11 March 2005 04:22 (twenty years ago)

dude, that was totally the plot of an episode of CSI. except it was a psychiatrist, not a pastor, and she was suspected of having an affair with/molesting the kid before they figured out the circumstances of the death. or maybe that's just a common story/urban legend.

― Al (sitcom), Friday, 11 March 2005 05:36 (twenty years ago)

i think it was a big news story at the time they were writing the show

― phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 11 March 2005 05:47 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, it actually happened. CSI or Law and Order or someone borrowed the story for a plot OH THE SHOCK.

What little I've heard of Kiki and Herb was...okay. Maybe I had to be there.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 March 2005 05:49 (twenty years ago)

so...is it worth it just to hear a cd if you've never(will never?) see the show? For months I've been trying to score their Carnegie Hall concert for less than the $20 cdbaby asks for it, a bit steep for a 'had to be there' type situation.

― tremendoid (tremendoid), Friday, 11 March 2005 05:49 (twenty years ago)

jinx

― tremendoid (tremendoid), Friday, 11 March 2005 05:51 (twenty years ago)

Their version of "Running Up That Hill" is classic-er than classic, largely because Kiki sings it pretty much straight, but in character.

There was a show a while ago at which Coco appeared in a flashback, played by Kathleen Hanna. And I was present at a show where Monica Lewinsky was in the audience. Once Kiki spotted her, well, things got awfully entertaining.

― Douglas (Douglas), Friday, 11 March 2005 07:02 (twenty years ago)

its a little faggy, but i own 4 liza albums, so im not one to talk.

― anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 11 March 2005 10:13 (twenty years ago)

has kiki replaced Peaches ?
"reunited and i feel so good"

― peaches boy, Friday, 11 March 2005 11:03 (twenty years ago)

>kiki & herb's live shows were so great. ive seen it about 20 times

Ditto. I was at the Carnegie Hall show, and since the album is only missing the sight of Kiki's flailing flapper jig -- and her lying passed out on the stage during Herb's British Sea Power cover -- it should be a fine reproduction of the experience.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 March 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)

oh, but i used to work at fez so i saw k&h like 20 weeks in a row.. but somehow even by the 18th, 19th, 20th time, it never got boring

― phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 11 March 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

like the time some fangirl touched her ass. kiki got mad, went backstage, and refused to come back out until the fangirl left the building. so we had to kick her out. after she paid her tab. she didn't leave a tip though.

― phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 11 March 2005 21:36 (twenty years ago)

― fanboy, Saturday, 12 March 2005 07:28 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...

The live album is absolutely amazing. Man, what have I been missing...

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

Would people like ME like it?

― Yakuza Ghost Six (nordicskilla), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

They've done two Momus covers in their live shows, "I Was A Maoist Intellectual" and "How To Get (And Stay) Famous". I felt famous when I heard Kiki sing that one... sheer glamour.

― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)

"its a little faggy"

---Yes. It is a little faggy. Their version of "I'm Not Waiting" beats S-K's, easy. Kinda makes the orig more fun to listen to.

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Friday, 10 June 2005 02:55 (twenty years ago)

Saw them (at last!) at the Hollywood Knitting Factory (aka "this lobby") last summer. Absolute, mindscrambling Art.

They fake it so real they are beyond fake, a performance of utter heartbreak and, if not redemption through, at least the simple comfort of, enduring love so utterly convincing that whether or not it's ironic is completely beside the point. That only makes it more genuinely moving.

Love the live set, but can't imagine what it would be like to only hear it without having the experience of their show to map it to.

Note: If you've been on the ILX po-pomo thread, they may offer a sufficient answer.

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Friday, 10 June 2005 03:43 (twenty years ago)

Any word yet of this live album getting a UK release? I can't even find it on import.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 10 June 2005 05:04 (twenty years ago)

and of course, by ILX, I mean ILE...

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Friday, 10 June 2005 05:35 (twenty years ago)

I think it's on CDBaby...

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Friday, 10 June 2005 05:35 (twenty years ago)

does anyone have any k&h mp3s they want to share on ysi? does anyone have fox in the snow?

here's exit music (for a film): http://s26.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1HBNSXBC9ZLUN11PSZGI8O35KT

― drystereo (drystereo), Friday, 10 June 2005 08:28 (twenty years ago)

five months pass...

OMG XMas show in Chicago 12/8!

OMG OMG OMG New Year's Eve show in SF 12/31!!11!!1!

(I'm sorely tempted by the SF show, even if I'll be the only straight guy in the room.)

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 23:31 (nineteen years ago)

I'm seeing the Seattle show on the 17th, should be good fun.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 23:51 (nineteen years ago)

I saw them at the Bumbershoot before last. Couldn't understand what all the fuss was about, I'm afraid. I don't have a problem with queer art per se, but it all felt a bit flat for me.

― Vinegar and Artichoke Hearts (Bimble...), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 23:56 (nineteen years ago)

Seconded. Watched two songs and left. Seemed fairly pedestrian. Maybe you have to follow the mythology more closely? Or maybe it's getting less edgy?

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 06:41 (nineteen years ago)

i saw them at fez way back when and they WERE worth the fuss. haha i haven't heard this record though!

― mies van der rohffle (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 06:43 (nineteen years ago)

Or maybe I need more patience.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 06:44 (nineteen years ago)

it's kinda amusing to sit back and watch as the rest of the world finally hears K&H and tries to figure out what to do with them.

― mies van der rohffle (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 06:44 (nineteen years ago)

but gah, bumbershoot? no wonder bimble didn't like them. that seems like such an awful place for them to play.

― mies van der rohffle (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 06:45 (nineteen years ago)

I saw the last half of that Bumbershoot set, and thought it was outstanding! The reason why I saw the last half was because the line to see them was gargantuan.. so I missed the first half, since they could only let people in while letting an equal number of people out.

I still treasure the story about how Kiki tried to be Noel Gallagher's groupie.. fucking best story told at a concert ever.

― dali madison's nut (donut), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 07:45 (nineteen years ago)

Kiki's "harassed by D'Angelo while serenading Madonna at her birthday party" story is a corker too.

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 08:20 (nineteen years ago)

I've never seen them but I love the album. It's, for one thing, the smartest comedy act I've heard in forever. The song selection is great. I love the way Herb will occasionally come bellowing in with tuneless Viking-warrior backing vocals. The "Revolution Medley" might be my favorite song of the year. Every time Kiki starts with the "Wu Tang motherfucker," I can't quite believe it. Fabulous punk cabaret.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 08:24 (nineteen years ago)

I think one of the things that makes them work so well is the combination of 1) their utter music-geekery (I mean, come on, making a 10-minute showpiece out of a Butt Trumpet cover?!) and 2) their willingness to occasionally sing something totally unscreechily and milk it for all the cabaret sentiment it's worth.

I played the live album's "Institutionalized" for a friend of mine who'd never heard them before, and didn't tip her off... and of course the setup is such that it just sounds like Kiki babbling about her familial relations at first, and then something about the general outline of what she's saying seems vaguely familiar, and before you know it, wham: "PUT ME IN AN INSTITUTION!" "INSTITUTIONALIZED!" My friend didn't stop laughing for about three minutes.

― Douglas (Douglas), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:11 (nineteen years ago)

I MEAN ... I GET IT ... BUT I can't imagine myself listening to the album more than the one time.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:39 (nineteen years ago)

jaymc i'd highly recommend giving the album as many chances as it takes (my #1 album on my p&j ballot, i'm pretty sure it's the album i've played most this year too), there's alot of humor but alot more than humor to it - i swear it's the most cathartic album i've heard since god knows when: "you'll laff! you'll cry!" i bite kiki's style HARD when i sing "total eclipse of the heart" at karaoke (and BRING THE HOUSE DOWN, ilxors doctor casino and emily s. can verify this) and would bite her style when i sing "institutionalized" except that's already a pretty fucking hard karaoke song as is just to pull off straight (ie. imagine and REGARD the FULL SCOPE of kiki's triumph). would kill to see them, DEEPLY envy that getting to see them perform was as routine for nyers as jeff mangum or whoever was down here - would DEFINITELY make that trade, as a huge fan of karaoke, covers, drag shows, joan crawford live at town hall and the album obv. i can't imagine i could possibly have been disappointed.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 10:07 (nineteen years ago)

i would pay $$$$ to see you do karaoke, blount.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 10:12 (nineteen years ago)

Those goddamn traitors haven't played NYC since they 'reunited.'

In contrast to gyps, I have the album but haven't even played the whole thing (maybe cuz I was at the show).

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

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you know, i liked their broadway show but i didn't love it quite like i expected to. not quite the best setting for them, really.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:25 (eighteen years ago)

That was my gamble in missing it...

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:53 (eighteen years ago)

man, Kiki got drunk off her ass last night (my friend hadda grab her when she almost fell off a table). She read a lot of lyrics off a stand, following the example of a recent show by 94-year-old former Marx Brothers ingenue Kitty Carlisle. Best line of the night was "I may not know the words, ladies and gentlemen, but I understand the song." (Best anecdote to nowhere was about her sister's delight that Farrah Fawcett shares her malady of ass cancer.)

Among the new (to me) adds to the repertoire:

The Indelicates - "Waiting for Pete Doherty to Die"

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 November 2006 14:36 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

I'd like to renege on previous comments of "not getting it"; three shows in thirty days cured me of that. Truly, I've never seen a more punk-as-fuck show. Last watch was ringside about three feet away and my table mates and I got just BLASTED; watching K+H at that proximity is some serious dick-in-a-blender action.

Now I just have to figure out if it translates to record well...

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 January 2007 19:03 (eighteen years ago)

I've got both their records, and while it's a good way to introduce people to them (see anecdote above), it's not the same as the "oh shit, what's she going to do next?" experience of seeing them live.

But I bet someday people are going to trade recordings of K&H live the way they do with Bill Hicks or Andy Kaufman recordings now.

― Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 15 January 2007 19:46 (eighteen years ago)

three months pass...

Kiki & Herb

May, 17 2007 at Knitting Factory - DVD RECORDING!
74 Leonard Street, New York, New York 10013
Cost : $20

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:39 (eighteen years ago)

Directed by Jonathan Demme.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:43 (eighteen years ago)

that sounds entirely plausible, but... hmmm

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:57 (eighteen years ago)

I might be lying. I might be remembering how much you loved his Robyn Hitchcock film.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 May 2007 17:02 (eighteen years ago)

for the first time in six months I genuinely wish I were in New York

― Matos W.K., Thursday, 10 May 2007 21:30 (eighteen years ago)

Sweet.

― poortheatre, Thursday, 10 May 2007 23:00 (eighteen years ago)

K & H nominated for a Tony Award; world to end.

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 17 May 2007 15:10 (eighteen years ago)

Imagine the acceptance speech.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 May 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)

I suspect it might not appear on the CBS segment on the show... which means PBS will have the 7-sec delay standing by!

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 17 May 2007 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

i want to see kiki and herb :(

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Thursday, 17 May 2007 17:46 (eighteen years ago)

Their Knitting Factory show is tnite, JW. (also Memorial Eve at Joe's)

Their only opposition in that Tony category is a one-man ventriloquist show.

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 17 May 2007 19:10 (eighteen years ago)

two last shows pubside; i'm likely doing both.

― forksclovetofu, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:44 (eighteen years ago)

gr8 seeing you forks! Did you have anything to do with our ticket snafu getting cleared up? I wasn't sure.

I didn't recall how elaborate K&H's version of "I Was a Maoist Intellectual" is ... the Chelsea boys were baffled.

Also, it's important to know that ass cancer trumps leukemia.

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 14:32 (eighteen years ago)

Hey dude, glad you made it out!
Yeah, a thoroughly awesome evening... but LONG!

― forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 14:35 (eighteen years ago)

but at least Ju8t1n was relatively s0b3r!

I think I saw them go 3 hours at least once at Fez.

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 14:38 (eighteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

Defeated for a Tony by a DUMMY!

That's too respectable for them anyway.

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:12 (eighteen years ago)

that shit was not right. I thought they were joking for a hot minute!

― Morley Timmons, Thursday, 14 June 2007 04:39 (eighteen years ago)

That was that bullshit.

― forksclovetofu, Thursday, 14 June 2007 05:17 (eighteen years ago)

Shoulda pull'd a wu-tang. kiki and herb is for the babies!

― rogermexico., Thursday, 14 June 2007 05:26 (eighteen years ago)

two months pass...

Get ready London:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/mjh8888/Kiki%20and%20Herb/SBE2front.jpg

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 September 2007 14:02 (eighteen years ago)

thought this was a thread about peaches & herb for a second

― deej, Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:58 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

Carnegie Hall again in December as well.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 15 October 2007 17:40 (seventeen years ago)

one month passes...

live DVD available Jan. 2:

http://www.playbill.com/news/article/113510.html

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 14 December 2007 16:10 (seventeen years ago)

Funny thing was I saw Kiki introduce Borts Minorts at a show in SF this past Saturday. Kiki was great, Borts Minorts was not.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 December 2007 16:14 (seventeen years ago)

Variety review of Wed night @Carnegie Hall (I skipped):

http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117935649.html

"If there's a sniper in the audience, I ask only that you kill me now," pleaded Kiki. "Don't make me go through this whole show just to shoot me later."

wtf, identifying "If You Were Born Today" as a Jimmy Eat World song?

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 14 December 2007 16:22 (seventeen years ago)

Boy, I would've loved to have seen that.

― forksclovetofu, Friday, 14 December 2007 22:38 (seventeen years ago)

wtf, identifying "If You Were Born Today" as a Jimmy Eat World song?

Alan Sparhawk somewhere goes NOOOOOO

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 December 2007 22:50 (seventeen years ago)

I saw them at the Opera House in Sydney for so cheap (esp. considering the insane price of tickets for them in SF the last time around), but strangely the show was almost EXACTLY the same as the one I saw New Year's Eve two years ago.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 14 December 2007 23:30 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

What little I've heard, I've liked. So where do I start if I want to hear more?

― Mordy, Wednesday, 7 October 2009 05:41 (fifteen years ago)

one year passes...

profile in nymag - http://nymag.com/print/?/arts/popmusic/features/justin-bond-2011-5/

― just sayin, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 13:23 (fourteen years ago)

just downloaded dendrophile, hadn't heard anything about it. it seems good. different thing than k&h, but good songs and s/he sounds great.

― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 02:09 (fourteen years ago)

eight months pass...

Kiki'll be having some fun this weekend:

http://gawker.com/5875978/introducing-your-guest-golden-globes-tweeter-justin-vivian-bond

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 January 2012 05:42 (thirteen years ago)

Justin is such a fucking rock star.
I see Kenny perform at least once a month.

― this is funny u bitter dork (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 14 January 2012 13:45 (thirteen years ago)

one month passes...

going to see justin bond @ REDCAT tonight, first time ever! i'm excited

― Prince Rebus (donna rouge), Friday, 17 February 2012 19:12 (thirteen years ago)

three years pass...

Justin Vivian Bond begins a yearlong 'retro' at Joe's Pub!

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/mx-justin-vivian-bond-returns-to-joes-pub-with-tranniversary-triumph-7585114

forks, when yer feelin better maybe we could go see the Julie London thing.

― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 September 2015 04:23 (ten years ago)

two weeks pass...

spring reunion in NYC

http://m.playbill.com/mobile/news/article/kiki-and-herb-announce-spring-reunion-at-the-public-363221

― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 September 2015 11:51 (nine years ago)

six months pass...

joe's pub is having a nightly lottery for the shows if yer desperate

― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 April 2016 19:28 (nine years ago)

gonna catch one of these, pretty hyped

― ulysses, Friday, 8 April 2016 20:10 (nine years ago)

kenny lookin all moses

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/04/25/kiki-and-herb-reunite

― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 April 2016 16:43 (nine years ago)

two weeks pass...

Kiki sez

"The neoliberals vs. the neofascists—I'm just happy that I've lived to see this spectacular bipolar moment."

― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 1 May 2016 23:24 (nine years ago)

four years pass...

a 2016 show free online for a few weeks

https://publictheater.org/productions/season/fall-2020/kiki--herb-seeking-asylum/

― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 25 September 2020 01:17 (four years ago)

two years pass...

Ah jeez, shoulda revived this thread earlier for their new tour! I think most of the shows have already most sold out on presale. (Got my SF tix just now, yay.)

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 October 2022 17:49 (two years ago)

three weeks pass...

It's back!

https://kikiandherbwilldieforyou.bandcamp.com/album/do-you-hear-what-we-hear

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 November 2022 22:15 (two years ago)

ten months pass...

And they're back!

https://linktr.ee/kikiherb

(The tour last year was a damn treat.)

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 September 2023 18:01 (one year ago)

one year passes...

Kiki is now a MacArthur Genius:
https://www.macfound.org/fellows/class-of-2024/justin-vivian-bond

― jaymc, Tuesday, 1 October 2024 16:29 (eleven months ago)

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