FLAC and iTunes

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I have quite a few FLAC files, and having recently picked up an iPod, I can't seem to get iTunes to recognize them. Does a plugin or converter exist that would allow this?

Didn't see a solution in any past threads, but was hoping one had been developed since this question was last asked...

cdwill, Friday, 11 March 2005 21:17 (twenty years ago)

You want Flac Frontend: http://members.home.nl/w.speek/flac.htm

earinfections (Nick Twisp), Friday, 11 March 2005 21:32 (twenty years ago)

Fantastic, thanks.

cdwill, Friday, 11 March 2005 21:46 (twenty years ago)

If you want to load them on the iPod, you have to convert them to something else. The FLAC Frontend addressed part of that.

If you want to keep the FLAC on the PC and play it in iTunes...you'll need this: http://damien.drix.free.fr/qtflac/ and some of the instructions from this: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=17290&st=0

Edward Bax (EdBax), Friday, 11 March 2005 22:07 (twenty years ago)

cdwill, on my Mac, I use software called xact to convert .SHN and .FLAC files to AIFF/WAV files, and then convert them to Apple Lossless Audio files in iTunes. You can find the latest version of xact here. I know there are conversion utilities for windows and linux, but I'm not experienced with those platforms.

subgenius (subgenius), Friday, 11 March 2005 22:24 (twenty years ago)

I am so stingy with space on my iPod that I can't imagine anyone putting gigantic lossless files on their's.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Saturday, 12 March 2005 00:04 (twenty years ago)

Putting lossless on the iPod also chews up the battery life. Those things only have a 32MB or RAM buffer. Using lossless means that it hits the disk much more often, and therefore chews up the battery.

Edward Bax (EdBax), Saturday, 12 March 2005 00:33 (twenty years ago)

Oh. I never considered the taxation on battery life with the buffer Bax. I guess I should get around to converting some of the .wav files I have.

earinfections (Nick Twisp), Saturday, 12 March 2005 04:00 (twenty years ago)

Do you ever listen to lossless quality music anymore? The few lowfi mp3s I have on my cd mp3 player bug me. I always use high-end and my batteries last forever on that thing. Of course, they're not rechargable, but neither are iPods after a while, from what I hear.

Eleventy-Twelve (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 12 March 2005 05:22 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...
not exactly on topic but close enough...

Are there any good mps players out there that play FLAC files? I know Rio Karma did, but it seems to be unavailable now. Same thing with iaudio m3. Apparently iaudio m5 does and is available but I don't need all it offers...

suggestions?

Matt Sab (Matt Sab), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

what about apple lossless?

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)

Putting lossless on the iPod also chews up the battery life. Those things only have a 32MB or RAM buffer. Using lossless means that it hits the disk much more often, and therefore chews up the battery.

This "hits the disk" bullshit I've heard before. Are you saying there is some netherworld iPod state apart from the disk where lower fidelity audio plays on battery fumes? How does this work? Is this related to computer "memory" somehow? Does a computer load chunks of numbers and then play them from memory? If this is how it works, is it not running on battery power while it plays from memory? Does it take more battery power to collect data chunks and load them into memory than it does to play them from memory?

I don't understand computars.

iPod Jackass, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

download the latest dbpowerAMP music converter.

Cunga (Cunga), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

Oh, it's not bullshit. Let me see if I can make it more clear for you.

The iPod, like most computers has two layers of storage: the RAM (short term) and the disk (short term). Retrieving data from either form of storage takes power from the battery. However, retrieving from the disk is more expensive in terms of power [it has to spin up the drive (which has been sleeping), and fetch the data] when compared to retrieving data from the RAM.

The iPod always pulls the music from the disc into the RAM and then it plays the music from the RAM. While the music is playing, the disk goes to sleep to preserve the battery. The more often that you fire up the disk and fetch data, the more quickly you run down the battery.

Let's imagine an example. In our example, this iPod has 32MB of RAM. My numbers will be a little rough, but let's say each song is 3 minutes long. If you are playing MP3s, say with an average size of 3MB per song, the iPod will load up the memory buffer with about 10 songs. The disk will go to sleep and won't have to be fired up again until maybe 30 minutes later.
Now, what if we load lossless files on this iPod, say with an average size of 15MB per song. In this scenario, the iPod would load about 2 songs in RAM. The disk would go to sleep. And about 6 minutes later, it would need to fire the disk back up to load the next two songs...

Does this help?

Edward Bax (EdBax), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

Duh, that should have said "RAM (short term) and the disk (long term)."

I also left out the following:
Using the disk is so much more expensive in terms of battery power, that using the RAM as a buffer is essential. If the iPod only had a disk and no RAM, the battery would not last near as long.

These numbers are less relevant for iPods that do not have a disk and only have Flash RAM. However, the disk-less iPods don't really have the room to store much lossless data, so the discussion is moot.

Edward Bax (EdBax), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:01 (twenty years ago)

Hah, I can only assume iPod Jackass is being really blunt to bait us into explaining this in-depth. It's easy: every time you spin up a hard drive (ACTUAL PHYSICAL MOVING PARTS) or do seeking, it uses up power. On small files, you can spin it up once to load the file into memory. On big files, it's constantly spinning (you can hear it! put your ear to the iPod! take off your earphones first!) which takes a lot of energy.

criminally obvious (mike h.), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)


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