Taking Sides: Kevin Shields vs. Greg Ginn

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Science beats lit, every time.

― dave q, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"Four albums in ten years nigga? I can divide
That's one every let's say two, two of them shits was due
One was - NAHHH, the other was [insert MBV album of choice here]
That's a one hot album every ten year average
And that's so - LAAAAAAAME!"

― dave q, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

KS: "... When Abba already made a song called 'Gimme Gimme Gimme.'"

― Andy K., Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I meant, science beats 'ecriture'

― dave q, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Greg Ginn is The Destroyer. And he's a Californian to boot, so I naturally vote for his Dan Armstrong-ness. How could 'art' be any more artless?

― Andy, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Has Shields ever written a song called "Albini Bushlick"?

― Brian MacDonald, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh, and you sing Abba songs on rollerskates (with your hand in your sweetheart's back pocket), while Black Flag is sung atop an old Gator deck, scraping the coping on a heavily spraypainted empty motel pool. I don't know where you sing MBV, but it can't be fun.

― Andy, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You sing MBV in yer miasmic dreams, and you love it. Well, *I* love it.

For Ginn's idiocies re: Negativland, Shields all the way.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

How many hot albums did Black Flag release? (I vote for Ginn here, regardless).

― Kris, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

At this rate, it's not as much comparing the two's accomplishments -- as both can claim an equal amount of influence on rock goodness -- as much as comparing their downfalls. What's worse? Getting pudgey and living out a rock myth as a live backup guitarist in a band that's every embodiment of a rock myth? Or having an entire network of artists sue your label to the ground, and be reduced to releasing vanity projects called "Hor"? At the moment, I'd prefer the former to happen to me, so Shields it is.

― Brian MacDonald, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ginn. ginn. ginn. i don't really care about who influenced what number of people; ginn just kicked ass back when black flag was worth listening to. MBV, you know, they're cool i guess, but there's something so compressed, plasticy and icky about the production i find it hard to listen to.

― your null fame, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ginn cos kevin shields is a boring enya-a-like & while ginn still writes shit punk tunes with bits that don't fit in my mind i can pretend i am a skateboard champion

― bob snoom, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's going to be Ginn no matter who you put him up against. You really can't mess with the Flag.

― Dave225, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Indeed?

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

All the Black Flag I've heard has been disappointingly underwhelming. All the MBV I've heard has been burningly overwhelming. (I have not heard This Is Your Bloody Valentine, and I don't think I really want to.) The pieces between MBV songs alone smash anything I've heard by Black Flag.

― Clarke B., Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

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