― Roadkill Bingo (Roadkill Bingo), Monday, 14 March 2005 04:44 (twenty years ago)
― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 14 March 2005 04:50 (twenty years ago)
Timothy White's The Nearest Faraway Place tends to skim my fave period of the band but as a social history of the Wilson family forebears as well as the 'concept' of California and youth culture it's pretty great.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 March 2005 05:40 (twenty years ago)
― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 14 March 2005 06:57 (twenty years ago)
― JimD (JimD), Monday, 14 March 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)
The scope of White's book goes further than merely the BBs; further than music, even, summarizing SoCal culture in its multifaceted beauty. If you want to read about the music, Kingsley Abbott's collection of articles is pretty goodhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1900924021/qid=1110814956/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_2_3/026-0652137-4131666
But then, so is Paul Williams'http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0711991030/qid=1110815018/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_2_1/026-0652137-4131666
As for a band history, Steven Gaines' book is probably the best, including as it does the dirt & the triumphshttp://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0306806479/qid=1110815720/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_10_4/026-0652137-4131666
― harveyw (harveyw), Monday, 14 March 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)
― dave q (listerine), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:01 (twenty years ago)
― lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)
― dave q (listerine), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)
― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)
― musicjohn73, Monday, 14 March 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 14 March 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 14 March 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)
haha I just picked up a copy of Heroes and Villains last weekend in Portland - really shittily researched and written but very entertaining. The music/albums are almost a complete afterthought - he gets all kinds of details wrong (even tracklistings!) and then inexplicably praises stuff like the Beach Boys "Party!" album and the Mt. Vernon and Fairway single while deriding Carl and the Passions and Holland as crap, etc.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 13 August 2007 18:19 (eighteen years ago)
Leaf, Gaines, Williams books in that order.
Big ups too for one of the Denny books, but I can't remember which. Great story in it about some guy who partied w him for a full day and couldn't handle it at ALL.
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 02:46 (eighteen years ago)
But c'mon, Party's great! xpost
― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 04:42 (eighteen years ago)
I know, it is, but he effusively praises it in the same paragraph where he calls "Today!" a pile of shit because it has the Earl Leaf "comedy routine" track on it - his opinions are just very wtf, and his summation of the music is really sloppy.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 04:50 (eighteen years ago)
I haven't read any of these others, but I just finished Catch A Wave: The Rise, Fall, and Redemption of the Beach Boys' Brian Wilson by Peter Ames Carlin. I liked it, it seemed like a pretty thorough history, but it, as expected, focused more on Brian than anything else - particularly as the 80s and 90s came around. But it did delve enough into the other guys' lives to be of interesst.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 26 January 2012 22:22 (thirteen years ago)
got the Leaf book for father's day. only read the first few pages so far but man the exhaustion/cynicism of the 70s just oozes from it
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 21:45 (eleven years ago)
i guess i've never seen this thread before and wasn't aware of that book... very interested in hearing how it is.
― fit and working again, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 23:50 (eleven years ago)
Well just flipping through it its kinda worth it for the photos alone
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 02:53 (eleven years ago)
so is the Leaf book back in print?
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 18 June 2014 09:16 (eleven years ago)
no
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 17:08 (eleven years ago)
Somebody bought you a used book as a present?
― That's How Strong My Dub Is (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 18 June 2014 17:32 (eleven years ago)
It's been on my want list for years and it's out of print, how else am I going to get it
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 17:50 (eleven years ago)
j/k. It sounds like a pretty nice gift, actually.
― That's How Strong My Dub Is (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 18 June 2014 17:55 (eleven years ago)
she gave me that and Malzberg's Breakfast in the Ruins
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 17:57 (eleven years ago)
so weird that this thread popped up! I just finished the Gaines book after finding it on a stoop.
― dmr, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 23:48 (eleven years ago)
a little too much of "and then they made THIS investment ... and the signed THAT contract"
but yeah lots of sleaze
― dmr, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 23:50 (eleven years ago)
The Gaines book was reviled during its day for muckraking but it's pretty clear in retrospect that that's pretty much exactly how things happened.
― Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 20 June 2014 01:50 (eleven years ago)
The stuff from/about Brian's late 70s bodyguards seems the most questionable but yeah a huge amount of it seems pretty legit in retrospect.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 20 June 2014 04:38 (eleven years ago)
finished the Leaf book. Loads of great pictures and tidbits - Brian claiming to be brought to tears by Jack Rieley's vocal on Day in the Life of a Tree, Mike Love approaching Korthof about building a floating hospital off the coast of Florida in the shape of a pyramid, the story (also repeated in the Gaines book iirc) about a prank involving Brian being pissed on in the high school locker room after pretending to pass out. Gets a bit repetitive with the "omg when will the group/family just let Brian BE Brian". And he has some funny opinions. I mean, he was *really* into "Lazy Lizzie" (and the fairy tale EP!)
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 19:28 (eleven years ago)
I pretty much believe all of that stuff. These guys were a complete wreck in the late 70s.
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 19:52 (eleven years ago)
I don't have the book at hand and was not referring to specific details, I just remember that towards the end there's a lot of minutiae centered around Rocky and Stan(?) and sundry hijinks involving their trying to keep a handle on Brian and when reading it a lot of it seemed fairly incidental and uncorroborated
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 19:55 (eleven years ago)
had to revive just for this one-line review:
9. Steven Gaines, Heroes and Villains—The True Story of the Beach Boys (NAL)Disgusting, repulsive, hateful—also pointless, save as the last word anyone will need on these cretins.
http://greilmarcus.net/2015/02/24/real-life-rock-top-10-0187/
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 02:02 (ten years ago)
That's funny--I was just coming on to alert you to that.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 02:11 (ten years ago)
Ha!
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 02:32 (ten years ago)
"Mike was carrying a two-gallon glass jug of apple juice everywhere he went," said Vail, "kind of like a security blanket. Apparently the doctor realized Mike was right on the edge, and he was about to give him a sedative when Mike saw what was coming and became very neurotic. He jumped up and fled the room." When he came out into the reception room, where Vail was waiting, he threw the jug of apple juice at him, and it smashed against the wall. A second later Mike was gone. He leaped into his car and took off with Fred Vail following him. "He was flipping out, and we went everywhere; it was like the Steve McQueen chase in Bullitt..."
― Stupidityness (Tom D.), Saturday, 15 August 2015 13:46 (ten years ago)
He jumped up and fled the room
... not forgetting to take the two-gallon glass jug of apple juice with him, of course.
― Stupidityness (Tom D.), Saturday, 15 August 2015 13:49 (ten years ago)
I've heard some Beach Boys fans rave about this series of podcasts. I don't have time to check it out myself, but just looking over the guest list, it's an impressive array of people they've interviewed - this is hours and hours of info so I don't doubt there's new information as some suggested, but it will take a while to get through:
http://www.youtube.com/@discograffitipodcast2872
― birdistheword, Friday, 29 August 2025 04:48 (one week ago)
That guy's podcast got mentioned on some other thread a while back and I listened to a few of them... I remember the David Marks ones being interesting.
― Kim Kimberly, Friday, 29 August 2025 06:26 (one week ago)
Here it was:Yet Another Beach Boys Thread - The Best of the Pre-"Pet Sounds" albums
― Kim Kimberly, Friday, 29 August 2025 06:44 (one week ago)