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I'm going to Delaware for spring break to look at colleges, and it's going to be pretty boring. I'm making a run to Best Buy and Barnes and Noble's tomorrow to get stuff, and I was wondering if anyone knew of good books about music. We're going for fun to read here, since I need something that doesn't take too long to get into. I've already read Never Mind the Pollacks (which was great), and my closest Barnes and Noble's has Our Band Could be Your Life and that uncensored oral history of punk book that was on the OC three weeks ago.

WillSommer, Thursday, 17 March 2005 04:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Perfect Sound Forever
The Music's All That Matters
What Rock Is All About
Lipstick Traces
Just Kill Me
Psychotic Reactions & Carburetor Dung
The Aesthetics of Rock
Krautrocksampler

little ivan, Thursday, 17 March 2005 04:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Get the Lester Bangs books.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Thursday, 17 March 2005 04:23 (nineteen years ago) link

and Please Kill Me: The Oral History of Punk by Legs McNeil

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Thursday, 17 March 2005 04:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Please Kill Me was on the OC?

Please kill me.

Oh well. Read it anyway. It's amazing. And Our Band Could Be Your Life. If you're interested in criticism, check out Psychotic Reactions and Carbeurator Dung or anything by Lester Bangs or one or two Greil Marcus books (The Basement Tapes). I'd stay away from Camden Joy, contrary to popular opinion.

I need something that doesn't take too long to get into

But you're going to college, man! Just buy Adorno's Essays on Music and accept that the next 4+ years of your life are going to be like that mwahahaha...

poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 17 March 2005 04:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Dave Marsh, The Heart of Rock & Soul (his 1,001 most important singles of the rock era, in bite-size nuggets)

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 17 March 2005 04:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Love Saves the Day and Can't Stop Won't Stop by Tim Lawrence and Jeff Chang, respectively.

I also enjoyed Last Night a DJ Saved My Life and there's the ever-classic Generation Ecstasy.

deej., Thursday, 17 March 2005 04:49 (nineteen years ago) link

conflict of interest, but whatever:
Christoph Cox and Daniel Warner, Audio Culture: Readings in Modern Music
featuring Eno, Cage, Stockhausen, Merzbow, Reynolds, lots of other luminaries, and some jerk named Sherburne

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Thursday, 17 March 2005 04:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Hellfire,
Unsung Heroes of Rock and Roll- Tosches
Faithfull: An Autobiography- Marianne Faithfull
Chronicles v.1- Dylan
Black Monk Time- Eddie Shaw
I, Tina- Tina Turner
Uptight: the VU story,
Transformer- Bockris
Planet Joe- Joe Cole
hahahha

Elisa (Elisa), Thursday, 17 March 2005 05:09 (nineteen years ago) link

John Cage's Silence is a great book about music and other things.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 17 March 2005 05:15 (nineteen years ago) link

All of the above, and Sidney Bechet's autobio (blanking on the title, but he only wrote one); Miles by Miles Davis; Rip It Up: The Black Experience in Rock 'N' Roll (Kandia Crazy Horse, ed.)

don, Thursday, 17 March 2005 05:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, Robert Palmer (not the singer)'s Deep Blues, Christgau's 70s Consumer Guide (yeah you can look up all the Consumer Guide entries at robertchristgau.com, 'cept maybe the *most* recent, which are at villagevoice.com, but unless you just love typing in Subjects and hitting Enter and know exactly what to look for, the book is a lot more fun). Also most anything by Peter Guralnick (although I woouldn't start with the Elvis stuff)(if you want to get strung out ona good sick Elvis book, try Evis Aron Presley, by Alanna Nash with the Memphis Mafia) Most anything by Frith, Toop; Charles Keil' Uran Blues; Tom T. Hall's The Storyteller's Nashville (one of the funniest books I've read re musos, and good serious stuff too); Nelson Goerge's Seduced: The Life And Times Of A One Hit Wonder; Pamela Des Barres' I'm With The Band; Ruth Brown's Miss Rhythm (an epic!)

don, Thursday, 17 March 2005 05:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Ahh yeah Rap Attack by Toop. Does Greg Tate have any books out there worth picking up?

deej., Thursday, 17 March 2005 05:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Does Greg Tate have any books out there worth picking up?

I had never heard of Tate until I saw him speak not long ago. He is a BAD. ASS. Does he still write for The Voice? I feel like I never see him in there. Does he have a blog?

poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 17 March 2005 05:56 (nineteen years ago) link

He definitely still writes for the voice, unbelievable writer too, sort of a marxist approach to hip-hop these days (as SFJ pointed out) which seems to distance him from discussing how the music moves him but which does raise significant points regarding hip-hop and the way it is being used both positively and negatively; I got sort of nuts at him during the "great tate debate" when he criticized people for celebrating the 30th anniversary of hip-hop and while I don't share his lack of enthusiasm/engagement with the current music, I do think he's absolutely right about what hip-hop's significance is (paraphrasing, renders African-Americans "all but invisible" in a cultural sense) and that unfortunately the advancement of African-American cultural capital has not resulted in economic justice or any kind of justice, really.

I'm mostly interested in reading a book of his since his prose is fairly magnificent.

deej., Thursday, 17 March 2005 06:23 (nineteen years ago) link

r. crumb draws the blues - r. crumb
country - nick tosches (his other books too of course, but this is my favorite)
rythm oil and the true adventures of the rolling stones by stanley booth
awopbopaloobop by nik cohn

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 17 March 2005 07:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Touching From A Distance
Bass Culture
Songs They Don't Play On The Radio
Revolution In The Head
Rotten: No Dogs, No Blacks , No Irish
Soulsville

wtin, Thursday, 17 March 2005 10:56 (nineteen years ago) link

"Wonderland Avenue" - Danny Sugerman - I can't stand The Doors but I loved this book. Also, "The Dirt", the Motley Crue book. Again, hate the band, but a cracking read.

bg, Thursday, 17 March 2005 11:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Tate's 1991 collection Flyboy in the Buttermilk is tremendous. His review/demolition of Bad ("I'm White! What's Wrong with Michael Jackson") is worth the price by itself, especially when he sez that the album's title "accurately describes its contents in standard English."

If you want a cracking funny read on hip-hop, though, pick up The Rough Guide to Hip-Hop by Peter Shapiro, which has just been updated and enlarged (it was a pocket-size the first time, now it's 8 x 10). Best line goes to the Bad Boy Records writeup, when he notes that Puff Daddy, having been responsible for 40% of all 1997's number ones, moved to the Hamptons "so he could live by the sea, just like his magic dragon namesake."

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 17 March 2005 11:41 (nineteen years ago) link

actually, strike that "though," Toop can be funny and obviously so can Tate.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 17 March 2005 11:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Neil McCormick's "Killing Bono" was a quick, fun read.

John Fredland (jfredland), Thursday, 17 March 2005 11:44 (nineteen years ago) link

"Wonderland Avenue" - Danny Sugerman - I can't stand The Doors but I loved this book. Also, "The Dirt", the Motley Crue book. Again, hate the band, but a cracking read.

Same here! (Of course there's also the Led Zep bio.)

nathalie barefoot in the head (stevie nixed), Thursday, 17 March 2005 11:46 (nineteen years ago) link

ooh, haven't read that led zep one. I just remembered a book called "Lost in Music" by Giles Smith, which was a hoot.

bg, Thursday, 17 March 2005 11:54 (nineteen years ago) link

chuck berry's autobiog

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 17 March 2005 12:26 (nineteen years ago) link

George Jones, I Lived To Tell It All
Miles Davis, Miles: The Autobiography

Next week on "The O.C.": Seth and Ryan get into a fatal disagreement over "James Taylor: Marked For Death," while Summer meets a new hottie who shares her disgust of Nick Hornby.

Keith C (kcraw916), Thursday, 17 March 2005 14:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Nelson George's previously mentioned Seduced is said to roman-a-clef of sorts (Russell Simmons, on back cover of early edition, earnestly denies that one of the characters is based on him--that's his whole blurb). Some wicked bits about the early days of hip-hop, and the music biz overall. The sequel, Urban Romance, spotlights a minor Seduced charactor, who writes for Billboard and the Voice. Haven't read it yet, but it's next. Tate's Everything But The Burden, about whites biting black music, is another I've heard good stuff about.

don, Thursday, 17 March 2005 22:09 (nineteen years ago) link

For a good time, read:

Dino by Nick Tosches (about Dean Martin; as deep as Catch a Fire by Timothy White, as entertaining as that Motley Crue book)

Backbeat: Earl Palmer's Story, by Tony Scherman (oral history/autobiography of the New Orleans drummer; had me at "Louis Armstrong was a pimp"...)

We Got the Neutron Bomb: The Untold Story of L.A. Punk by Marc Spitz and Brendan Mullen (better than Please Kill Me, kind of like L.A. punk itself)

Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 17 March 2005 22:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Here's TSOL frontman Jack Grisham in We Got the Neutron Bomb, before he announced his run for governor against Gray Davis and Arnold Schwarzenegger (and Gary Coleman, etc.):

I was torturing this guy in the garage of my mom's house in this nice suburban neighborhood with my whole family inside eating Easter dinner... and I'd got this guy tied up in the rafter with a rope around his legs and I'm beating him with a two-by-four. I said, "Hang on a minute," and put the two-by-four down and walked into the house and kissed my aunt and said like, "Oh hi, how you doing?" I grabbed a deviled egg, told them I'd be back in a minute, and I went back out, grabbed the two-by-four, and kept workin' on the guy. I finally had to get out of Vicious Circle 'cause of the violence. There were constant stabbings and beatings and people cruising by my house at night, shooting up the neighborhood....

I did something pretty bad to somebody and they retaliated with guns. It was a big deal, I had to split to Alaska for a while, they cut the lines on my car, blew up my car... fuck...I don't wanna say who they were, but they weren't punks... boy, they were pissed off.

Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 17 March 2005 22:34 (nineteen years ago) link

'Long Time Gone' the David Crosby (auto)biog is definitely the best music book i have ever read. the way he led his life and some of the decisions he made are genuinely stupefying. equal parts genius and retard. extraordinary when set against the soundtrack of the music he was making.

i went on holiday with the Deborah Curtis book and the Nick Drake biography once. happy times, let me tell you.

Lee F# (fsharp), Thursday, 17 March 2005 22:53 (nineteen years ago) link

dino is so good that i've lent and lost TWO copies to (so-called) friends

if you ever find dave rimmer's "once upon a time in the east", abt berlin east and west b4 the fall of the wall, i utterly UTTERLY recommend it: tho it's only somewhat abt music - unlike his earlier (and also good) "like punk never happened"

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 17 March 2005 22:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I've just got "Lost in the Grooves" by the editors of Scram (the same peeps who did "Bubblegum Music is the Naked Truth"), a collection of reviews of culty, forgotten or neglected albums. Some very ILM choices in there: Jandek, Poster Children, Bridgette Fontaine etc. If only slsk was working properly...

Richard C (avoid80), Thursday, 17 March 2005 23:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I wrote a few entries for Lost In The Grooves (Boogie Down Productions, Schoolly D, Sonny Sharrock).

Joe Carducci's Rock and the Pop Narcotic is being reissued sometime this year.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 17 March 2005 23:02 (nineteen years ago) link

and how could i forget, the funniest rock-related book ever: the life and times of little richard by charles white.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 17 March 2005 23:19 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost the David Crosby book has sections with different versions side by side, like the Synoptic Gospels: the Word according to St. David, his friends and ex-friends. But certainly not Gospel in the I-swung-naked-on-the-chandelier-but-now-I've-found-the-LORDuh (so send your dollars to my new friends today). He's got his regrets, but still the somae ornery critter ("Don't do crack, and also watch out for the CIA/Colobian Cartels, man," is more the POV)

don, Friday, 18 March 2005 00:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Bass Culture
Sadly retitled in America as The History of Jamaica's music or something like that, but it's excellent. The only disappointing aspect about it is that Lloyd Bradley doesn't cover any On-U-Sound releases in the book or even take them into account.

Quit glaring at Ian Riese-Moraine! He's mentally fraught! (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm just finishing this, I like it, but it could have used a little bit more demographic and geographic background info on Jamaica and Kingston in particular.

JoB (JoB), Friday, 18 March 2005 01:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Nick Kent's "The Dark Stuff"
"Alt-Rock-o-Rama" (great on car trips!)
Brian Eno's "More Dark than Shark"
Motley Crue's "The Dirt" (well, not about music, per se)

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 18 March 2005 01:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Blissed Out is still my favorite Simon Reynolds book. Jon Savage's England's Dreaming (see recent thread on him); Chuck Eddy's Stairway To Hell and Accidental Evolution; a couple of good anthologies: ROck She Wrote and Trouble Girls.

don, Friday, 18 March 2005 06:37 (nineteen years ago) link

that book "Hip: A History" isn't strictly about music but it's also very good. I think the author's name is John Leland.

Ashandeej, Friday, 18 March 2005 06:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Audio Culture (edited cox / warner) seconded, and limiting myself to the books next to my desk (library's in the hallway)

Electronic and Experimental Music by Thom Holmes
also; Wireless Imagination (d kahn / g whitehead)
Paul Griffiths - A Concise History of Avant-Garde Music
Paul Griffiths - Modern Music And Beyond
Curtis Roads
William Duckworth : Talking Music
Cage: Silence / A Year From Monday
Cage / Feldman: Conversations
James Tenney : Meta / Hodos
Karlheinz Stockhausen - Stockhausen on Music (Compiled by R Maconie)
Sound By Artists (ed. Dan Lander)
Chris Cutler - File Under Popular
Attali - Noise
Russolo - The Art of Noises (get a hold of a copy any way you can)
Trevor Wishart - On Sonic Art
Douglas Kahn - Noise Water Meat

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 18 March 2005 07:13 (nineteen years ago) link

milton, has "modern music and beyond" been updated at all?: when i first read it (= in like 1977), i remember thinking "waddya mean beyond"!! it stops in 1968 with a sad thud!!

i think the attali book is lousy at book length—it's a good short polemic idea bulked out to a contradictory nonsense schema—and wireless imagination is patchy (which is a pity, cz it's a great idea for an essay collection)

mark s (mark s), Friday, 18 March 2005 09:11 (nineteen years ago) link

really good things I've read over the last few months were adorno's bk on mahler and morton feldman's 'give my regards to 8th street' essay comp.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 18 March 2005 09:55 (nineteen years ago) link

weird, I stopped reading Neutron Bomb halfway through--bored me for some reason, though the stories weren't in themselves boring. hmmm. (though it may be because I've never been all that into L.A. punk and like NYC punk way more.)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 18 March 2005 10:27 (nineteen years ago) link

"Bass Culture" seconded - terminally readable, even if you don't much care about the stuff (which I do); as much of a cultural history as anything else. There's a certain integrity to his (not total, by any means, but pronounced) dismissal of Dancehall (and I do sometimes hear, say, Bounty Killer a bit differently now that I've read about the jamaican warlords and can't just pretend it's all fun "hey let's pretend we're Al Pacino" wackyness), but I do sorta wish he had just stopped when "his" age was over.

The Elvis Guralnick books - again, you don't have to care about the subject matter to enjoy them (personally, I was so-so on Elvis before readin' 'em, am now an unabashed fan), and the second one is one hell of a car wreck: the descent starts like twenty pages into it, and by the end of the book you can't even feel sorry for the guy anymore, you just wonder why he hasn't kicked the bucket already.

"Where Did Our Love Go?" by Nelson George has some nice anecdotes, and is probably the best book on Motown around, tho to be frank I didn't learn all that much from it.

"The Heart Of Rock & Soul" seconded, and throw in the "New Book Of Rock Lists" too, if only for the sheer joy of reading the sentence "Tragedy The Intelligent Hoodlum Lists..." over and over again (not that book of rock jokes, tho, that was awful.) And also "Fortunate Son: The Best Of Dave Marsh", great stuff on Elvis, Muddy Waters, latino rock, etc.

I remember reading Maryiln Manson's "The Long Hard Road Out Of Hell" in my early teens and being surprised by how good it was (I'd always loathed the guy's music.) Dunno if it holds up.

"Sweet Soul Music", hell yeah.

I've read the entirety of Christgau's consumer guide online, and there's some great, great stuff there. So the books are recommended, too.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 18 March 2005 11:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Brother Ray by Ray Charles with David Ritz is fantastic and amazingly blunt and candid.

shookout (shookout), Friday, 18 March 2005 11:14 (nineteen years ago) link

'Joe Carducci's Rock and the Pop Narcotic is being reissued sometime this year.'

yay I've been wanting to read that one for a while!

adding to my prev post here leroi jones 'blues people' which I just finished this morning: most gd bks on music accept that they aren't just abt notes and chords.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 18 March 2005 12:53 (nineteen years ago) link

i think the attali book is lousy at book length"

You mean it's not long enough? I loved the book. Should re-read it...

I also loved the Lexicon Devil (bio on Darby Crash) though it's certainly not essential...

nathalie barefoot in the head (stevie nixed), Friday, 18 March 2005 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

All my obvious suggestions are covered here, so let me just say: even if you're a die-hard, passionate, blacked-out-yr-own-teeth Joe Strummer/Clash fan, AVOID AT ALL COSTS the pile of dung known as "Let Fury Have the Hour: the Punk Rock Politics of Joe Strummer." The superficial "analysis," the copious mistakes (London Calling wasn't recorded in New York, dumbshit!), the TYPOS (?!?)...it's a massacree!

Jason Toon, Friday, 18 March 2005 16:41 (nineteen years ago) link

African Rhythm and African Sensibility by John Miller Chernoff

the ONLY thing wrong with JMC's line is that he somewhat slightly seems to accept the assumption that the social dimension—the "dance"—isn’t also always part of all music in the West (though he does this in the context of getting ppl to see/hear/look for the fuller sense of the meaning of music): taking his insights abt Africa (Ghana, to be more accurate) and applying them everywhere else is revelatory

Most of it is a charming telling of him learning African drumming in Ghana

mark s (mark s), Friday, 18 March 2005 18:23 (nineteen years ago) link

The only two lengthy reads on Led Zep - Stephen Davis' Hammer of the Gods and roadie Richard Cole's 'Stairway to Heaven,' are both pulpy and full of dirt and invented mythology. Not to say I don't recommend them though.

And I hope someone someday undertakes a lengthy Sabbath bio.

57 7th (calstars), Friday, 18 March 2005 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I picked up the Ritz book on Marvin Gaye and that Cantwell one on Merle Haggard

Heez, Saturday, 8 June 2024 19:32 (six months ago) link

Good stuff!

Billion Year Polyphonic Spree (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 10 June 2024 21:17 (six months ago) link

Congrats unperson! I look forward to reading it!

completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 10 June 2024 21:43 (six months ago) link

Seems like the best thread for this: I did a two-part Zoomcast with Nate Patrin on his movie-music book, The Needle and the Lens, talking about similarities and differences between his book and mine. (First time I've ever spoken to Nate--I know he used to post here.)

First part: www.youtube.com/watch?v=g94IQMWBZrI&t

Second part: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJgZtf8brXo&t

clemenza, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 15:49 (six months ago) link

Def want to read the Cecil Taylor book, anyone in the US that’s going to carry it?

Slim is an Alien, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 22:44 (six months ago) link

Don't know yet; gotta ask my publisher what the distro situation is gonna be.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 23:05 (six months ago) link

Started on the Chris Stein book. It's enjoyable so far (late '60s) and often very funny.

completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 12 June 2024 10:20 (six months ago) link

one month passes...

Great cover!

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Friday, 12 July 2024 02:49 (five months ago) link

It's printed on really nice paper too; it weighs almost two pounds (just under 350 pages).

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Friday, 12 July 2024 03:31 (five months ago) link

Congrats! Lovely cover image

completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 12 July 2024 17:15 (five months ago) link

https://open.substack.com/pub/thegig/p/the-14-best-music-books-of-the-21st?r=2ck8a&utm_medium=ios

Jazz and more critic Nate Chinen’s fave 21st century books involving music . Includes Patti Smith Just Kids; a Sonny Rollins bio; Ann Powers Joni Mitchell book and many others

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 24 July 2024 17:14 (four months ago) link

Anyone read the new Reynolds book, Futuromania? Just wondering if it's worth getting.

Position Position, Wednesday, 24 July 2024 17:27 (four months ago) link

Just got a really interesting looking book in the mail: Mike Smith's In With the In Crowd: Popular Jazz in 1960s Black America.

Most studies of 1960s jazz underscore the sounds of famous avant-garde musicians like John Coltrane, Ornette Coleman, and Albert Ayler. Conspicuously absent from these narratives are the more popular jazz artists of the decade that electrified dance clubs, permeated radio waves, and released top-selling records. Names like Eddie Harris, Nancy Wilson, Ramsey Lewis, and Jimmy Smith are largely neglected in most serious work today. Mike Smith rectifies this oversight and explores why critical writings have generally cast off best-selling 1960s jazz as unworthy of in-depth analysis and reverent documentation.

The 1960s were a time of monumental political and social shifts. Avant-garde jazz, made by musicians indifferent to public perception aligns well with widely held images of the era. In with the In Crowd: Popular Jazz in 1960s Black America argues that this dominant, and unfortunately distorted, view negates and ignores a vibrant jazz community. These musicians and their listeners created a music defined by socialization, celebration, and Black pride.

Smith tells the joyful story of the musicians, the radio DJs, the record labels, and the live venues where jazz not only survived but thrived in the 1960s. This was the music of everyday people, who viewed jazz as an important part of their cultural identity as Black Americans. In an era marked by turmoil and struggle, popular jazz offered a powerful outlet for joy, resilience, pride, and triumph.

I agree with his thesis 100%, btw. All the artists named above, plus Cannonball Adderley, Lee Morgan, Hank Mobley and many others, were (and are) just as important as Coltrane, Ornette, Braxton, the Art Ensemble, even Cecil Taylor (who loved Horace Silver!), but the avant-gardists have won the battle for history.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Wednesday, 24 July 2024 17:54 (four months ago) link

Sounds good, thanks!

Thrapple from the Apple (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 24 July 2024 22:35 (four months ago) link

Okay, just glanced at that, think I gotta read it. Reminded me that I probably should also read this book I have called BEFORE MOTOWN.

Thrapple from the Apple (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 24 July 2024 23:22 (four months ago) link

one month passes...

I'd love to read a book or several about music industry economics -- what artists got paid through the generations from the late 1800s to the early 2000s*, both for live performance and for recording; what big-name artists paid sidemen; how artists fought to keep from getting ripped off, including notable success stories and notable failures; ditto all that but for club owners; what is the $$$ ecosystem for chamber groups commissioning works from composers?; ALL that stuff relating to how people make/made a living making music, recording music, performing music, presenting those permformances, all of it.

*could go even further back into stuff about the royal patronage system for composers.

What got me thinking about this was reading on Wikipedia about Miles' Live-Evil and the Cellar Door shows: "One of the key musicians on the album, John McLaughlin, was not a regular member of Miles Davis's band during the time of recording. Davis called McLaughlin at the last minute to join the band for the last of four nights they recorded live at the Cellar Door, as Davis was "looking for an element he hadn't quite nailed down"[5] on the previous nights." And all of a sudden all these questions came up. What did being a Miles band member pay in 1970? Did McLaughlin say "maybe, what are you paying? And don't say exposure." And then, what did Kronos pay Zorn for "Cat o'Nine Tails"? What did an LSO bassoonist make in 1936? What are the differences of the playing field btw Fred McDowell trying to make a living in 1964 and Cedric Burnside today? etc etc

The more anecdotal and dishier the better. What do you recommend?

WmC, Monday, 26 August 2024 23:28 (three months ago) link

Upthread I see Hit Men (Dannen), The Big Payback (Charnas), Star-Making Machinery (Stokes).

WmC, Tuesday, 27 August 2024 00:34 (three months ago) link

There’s some financial stuff in Steve Waksman’s Live Music In America, I believe.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 27 August 2024 00:38 (three months ago) link

would read!

corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 27 August 2024 16:32 (three months ago) link

I thought this would be a revive about the book that the guitarist from the Hold Steady has coming out ("Band People") I think, which I believe is a practical and economic look at sidepeople/non-bandleaders (mostly in rock but with a lot of history?). Heard him on a podcast, I'm interested.

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Tuesday, 27 August 2024 16:52 (three months ago) link

Pete Townshend pens foreword for new book on “Something In the Air” band Thunderclap Newman
Townshend writes in the foreword, “For me Thunderclap Newman was a great adventure and one I try to relive often … [the book] is carefully and devotedly researched with lots of input from all kinds of other friends of mine who shared their journey, and that itself builds a unique picture of the kind of Boiler Room world that musicians thrived in during the mid to late ‘60s."

Written by Mark Wilkerson, published by Third Man Books:
https://kslx.com/pete-townshend-pens-foreword-for-new-book-on-something-in-the-air-band-thunderclap-newman/

dow, Saturday, 31 August 2024 20:01 (three months ago) link

Extract from Toby Manning's Mixing Pop & Politics. Finished the book at the weekend and it's a tremendous achievement, mapping the evolution of modern pop onto the Fordist welfare state and neo-liberalism. Engages with Marcuse, Raymond Williams and Mark Fisher among others, with plenty of sharp feminist and queer insights too. It's an entertaining read, with Manning's love of the music coming through. What makes it particularly powerful is the hauntological undercurrent: he pulls off the tricky balance of mourning lost futures while arguing for popular music as a site of possibility, of liberation.

Composition 40b (Stew), Monday, 2 September 2024 16:34 (three months ago) link

xp to wmc i don't know that it'd be especially juicy reading, but the three-volume american popular music and its business series by longtime bmi exec russell sanjek is wide-ranging in terms of era, highly detailed and full of specific names, and tho i haven't read it i imagine contains a good number of anecdotes too. it's highly regarded among academics/scholars, tho as huge tomes they're not exactly casual reading, so if it seems interesting i guess you could try zeroing in on the specific periods of time most interesting to you. volume 1 is 'the beginning' (which means 1600s?) to 1790, volume 2 is 1970 to 1909, and volume 3 is 1900 to 1984. apparently a 1985 to 2020 'sequel' was just released about a month ago by his son rick sanjek, also an industry lifer.

amazingly even the old ones seem to still be in print? but new copies are very expensive. if interested i might try tracking them down used or in libraries

dyl, Monday, 2 September 2024 17:44 (three months ago) link

Thank you, sounds promising! I'll start with my library.

WmC, Monday, 2 September 2024 18:08 (three months ago) link

Juicier extract from Manning's book exploring 1968 and its impact on pop over at New Socialist. https://newsocialist.org.uk/hand-out-the-arms-and-ammo/

Composition 40b (Stew), Tuesday, 3 September 2024 15:38 (three months ago) link

Michael Veal's Living Space mostly consists of two really long essays — one about late (1965-67) John Coltrane, one about Miles Davis's 1969 live band (Shorter, Corea, Holland, DeJohnette — the one that never went into the studio). Those are both really good but for some reason he's trying to frame the music metaphorically through architecture, and the whole introductory section really doesn't work at all in my opinion. Still, he's a really good writer most of the time (his book on Fela and his book on dub are both brilliant). Recommended.

I also just read Christoph Dallach's Neu Klang: The Definitive History of Krautrock, which is really good about the social conditions in Germany in the late 60s and early 70s, and about the way musical scenes bled into each other (in addition to interviews with loads of krautrock-affiliated musicians, he talked to Peter Brötzmann and Alexander von Schlippenbach). It's an oral history, and would have benefited from more third-party musical analysis, but if you already have some familiarity with the music, this will be of interest. I read it alongside Tony Judt's Postwar, which was very interesting, especially when some of the Amon Duul folks talked about the Baader-Meinhof Gang crashing at their house while they were on tour...

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 3 September 2024 17:19 (three months ago) link

Is there a worthwhile biography of Anthony Braxton?

WmC, Tuesday, 3 September 2024 18:24 (three months ago) link

Got excited for a second upthread about the prospect of a Terry Manning book. Oh well.

The Zing from Another URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 3 September 2024 18:30 (three months ago) link

>> Is there a worthwhile biography of Anthony Braxton?

Graham Lock’s Forces In Motion isn’t a biography but it’s absolutely the place to start. Wolke Verlag, who put out my Cecil Taylor book, have a Braxton bio out but it’s in German.

https://www.wolke-verlag.de/musikbuecher/timo-hoyer-anthony-braxton-creative-music/

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 3 September 2024 18:37 (three months ago) link

A couple of my high school friends studied with Braxton at Wesleyan in the 90s, they really loved working with him. One of them, Taylor Ho Bynum, contributed to the Anthony Braxton issue of Sound American:

http://archive.soundamerican.org/sa_archive/sa16/

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 3 September 2024 19:01 (three months ago) link

Thank you both. I see Forces in Motion online with two different subtitles, but I assume they're the same book.

WmC, Tuesday, 3 September 2024 23:42 (three months ago) link

there's a more updated version, though I don't know the subtitle

Bad Bairns (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 4 September 2024 01:53 (three months ago) link

Forces in Motion is one of my favourite music books. Fascinating musical analysis based on interviews with Braxton intercut with on-tour reportage that shows how those ideas are put into action. Really inspiring and a hoot too - the bit about them trying to get to a show in Venice is like an avant-garde Spinal Tap.
Graham Lock also wrote Blutopia, linking Ellington, Sun Ra and Braxton. I've still to read it, but it sounds great.

Composition 40b (Stew), Wednesday, 4 September 2024 09:45 (three months ago) link

I gave Veal's Trane/Miles book a rave in The Wire but I get what you mean about the introduction - it's theory heavy and not the easiest way in. But I think architecture is a really fascinating approach for thinking about how jazz rhythm works - all that stuff about modern architects using digital techniques to make their forms less rigid is a neat metaphor for the elastic structures of jazz. Veal's concept of the Africanist Grid is really useful and has certain parallels with Dan Charnas's Dilla Time. I can appreciate not everyone will be convinced, but hats off to him for making the conceptual leap. It's really inspiring to see a writer draw on other art forms/media to talk about music. I loved the parallels he draws between experimental photography and studio psychedelia as subversions of documentary approaches to the mediums - that seems clearly informed by his work on the electro-acoustic innovations of dub.

Composition 40b (Stew), Wednesday, 4 September 2024 09:58 (three months ago) link

I just thought he was stretching things a bit, but my wife, who actually knows quite a bit about architecture and is a photographer and visual artist herself, practically threw the book across the room. Her argument is that you can’t talk about a building without talking about why it was built, and to use it as a kind of detached signifier is disingenuous at best; also, she didn’t see why he chose the architects and photographers he did, since in her mind there are other people doing even more genuinely experimental work that might have fit better into the theoretical framing he was trying to set up. But the Coltrane section in particular is fantastic and makes the book worth reading on its own.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Wednesday, 4 September 2024 13:21 (three months ago) link

-_-

budo jeru, Wednesday, 4 September 2024 13:49 (three months ago) link

oops, i posted that on the wrong thread, apologies

budo jeru, Wednesday, 4 September 2024 13:59 (three months ago) link

three months pass...

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/dec/06/best-music-books-2024-music-jon-savage-ian-wade-will-hodgkinson-vivienne-goldman-questlove

The Guardian's 5 best music books of 2024

The Secret Public: How LGBTQ Performers Shaped Pop Culture 1955-1979
Jon Savage, Faber

1984: The Year Pop Went Queer
Ian Wade, Nine Eight Books

Street-Level Superstar: A Year With Lawrence
Will Hodgkinson, Nine Eight Books about singer of Uk band Felt

Rebel Musix, Scribe on a Vibe: Frontline Adventures Linking Punk, Reggae, Afrobeat and Jazz
Vivien Goldman, White Rabbit (I think this is a UK only release for now)

Hip-Hop Is History
Questlove, White Rabbit

curmudgeon, Saturday, 7 December 2024 19:49 (two weeks ago) link

I enjoyed the Ian Wade.

mike t-diva, Saturday, 7 December 2024 22:37 (two weeks ago) link

https://blog.roughtrade.com/gb/uk-books-of-the-year-2024/

curmudgeon, Monday, 9 December 2024 05:13 (one week ago) link

Today's the official publication date for the book I've edited, which traces the evolution of UK club culture through the disco era (1975-1982) via James Hamilton's weekly columns for Record Mirror.

https://jameshamiltonsdiscopage.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/book-promo-image-1-small.jpg

https://superweirdsubstance.com/product/james-hamiltons-disco-pages/

mike t-diva, Monday, 9 December 2024 10:13 (one week ago) link

That looks great. Vince Aletti did something similar for American disco, I can’t wait to delve into the UK counterpart.

henry s, Monday, 9 December 2024 12:26 (one week ago) link

Yeah, it was kind of our aim to do a UK equivalent of the Vince Aletti (who is pleased to see this come out BTW), but one thing we felt was missing from his book was an index section, so we've really put the work in on that - it needs to work as a reference book, as well as something to read from beginning to end.

mike t-diva, Monday, 9 December 2024 14:40 (one week ago) link

Oh cool, I do use the Aletti book as a reference for playlists and stuff, but it is hard to parse when you're looking for something specific.

henry s, Monday, 9 December 2024 15:07 (one week ago) link

That looks excellent, mike t-diva! Congrats!

completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 9 December 2024 17:26 (one week ago) link

Got my copy and already emailed Greg Wilson about it!

dan selzer, Monday, 9 December 2024 17:38 (one week ago) link

Have been dipping into it. Fascinating the "mor" revivals Hamilton hypes up alongside disco - the twist, the jitterbug. Also his love of dub.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 21 December 2024 10:30 (yesterday) link


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