Taking Sides: "New" Shakira vs. "Old" Shakira

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Chupa-Cabras, Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

solo estoy aqui vs que?

goeff, Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'll side with the "Old", with the hopes that this Dolores O'Riordan / Alanis Morrisette / Britney Spears amalgam shimmying out of a body of water is very, very, very "New".

David Raposa, Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Old. Old Shakira is in Spanish, so the lyrics aren't as awkward and ridiculous. Or maybe they are and my Spanish just isn't very good.

Miranda, Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

God that video is unreal. Britney's got nothing on Shakira's porno pants. Wait scratch that - Britney's porno pants are much HOTTER, and she runs her hands over her boobies a lot more, but you can tell that Shakira's actually, ahem, gotten some. You just can.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Shakira scares me.

Ally, Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What I said somewhere:

"The Shakira pop-experience rolls into town with an air of momentousness last heard with Britney’s arrival. Shakira’s spanish-pop wiles are more exotic than La Brit though, coming on like a particularly energetic combination of Ricky Martin, Dolores O’Riordan, Jewel and, um, Adam Ant – bombastic tribal beats, avalanche-like choruses and an implausible Celtic flavour all fight for space. On the plus side: English is Shakira’s second language, and the perils of translation create some shiny pop pearlers like: "lucky my breasts are small and humble/ so you don’t confuse them with mountains." On the minus side: Shakira’s pop histrionics are so overwhelming that it would seem somehow profane to, you know, actually like it."

Tim, Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"lucky my breasts are small and humble/ so you don’t confuse them with mountains."

The world's most long-distance criticism of the Song of Solomon.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i think it's just kind of sad that she has to sing in english to be successful outside of latin countries; plus, she looked way hotter before she was a blonde.

your null fame, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Is it *that* much worse than, say, Indonesian versions of all your favourite pop hitz? There is a very very good reason why pop audiences as a rule don't tend to connect with music sung in a language they don't understand. If she was on Realworld and sung about God's mountains reminding of her of the beauty of the female form it would be a different issue.

Tim, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But the strange lyrics are the best thing and ins Spanish she was just getting worse buy every album the 2nd was just ok and the third was an acoustic

Chupa-Cabras, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sign of incipient stardom - she's popping up lots in nudie pic searches in my referrals.

Tom, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

shakira speaks english now? since when?

goeff, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I just really, really hate that Whenever, Wherever song or whatever the hell it's called. I mean, fuck you, Shakira, shut up already. That video? Oh my god, it's the worst thing ever, and she DOES look much better with her real haircolor, the blonde makes her look like a yellow-toothed space alien. Me and some coworkers were inexplicably ragging on her hardcore last night. I mean, Shakira (old) had talent, but this new single makes me want to throw pies at her.

Ally, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

She does sound like that Cranberries be-otch on "Whenever, Wherever" - - except she sounds even more tuneless. Which is astounding, quite frankly. I didn't think it was possible.

And the record company tried to make her over Christina Skanulera stylee -- Christina's style doesn't even work on her, on Shakira it's doubly bad.

Nicole, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I will give oodles and oodles of slack to any song that contains the lyrics "my breasts are small and humble".

Dan Perry, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I can't believe we're talking about the music. But if we are, let me testify that the song has a very off-putting "Andean busker" quality to it. Actually, I'm surprised I haven't heard it in the subway yet, as an instrumental, with someone playing those "transporting" pan- pipes over the top.

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Zamfir/Shakira collaboration, you know it's going to happen!

Having recently heard Aterciopelados' wonderful, really sparkling Gozo Pederoso album from last year and concluded it was one of my favorites from said 12 months, I know where my preference for Colombian music currently lies.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I repeat: "my breasts are small and humble". In a #1 song!!!!!!!

Dan Perry, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dan, don't scare me like that. It's #7 (and holding).

David Raposa, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I must have been listening to a different countdown. CURSES.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I like old Shakira more because I didn't have to listen to her, all I had to do was stick her albums somewhere in the latin section at my last job. Why the hell did she go blonde? When my brother and I saw her Pepsi commercials we asked eachother what was the matter with Miss Britney Spears.

Lindsey B, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one month passes...
Hi I think this song is brilliant and the video is cool.The song really makes you want to dance which is a good thing.I think Shakira is really pretty.Bye.

Aoife, Saturday, 23 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The new Shakira album is actually quite fun, and very rockin', which is not what I expected at all. Parts of it reminds me of The Strokes. This is a compliment.

Tim, Saturday, 23 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Bye!

JM, Sunday, 24 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The scary thing is that i have avoided hearing the new single but now the latin stuff.

anthony, Tuesday, 26 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tracer, did you know that for a long time the rumor was that good Catholic girl Shakira hadn't gotten some? I don't think this was considered a big deal in Latin America, that a virgin could be a sexpot, since why shouldn't a virgin show off her love and lust to potential future mates? And the "freckles on your body" line (think it's "beauty marks on your body" in the Spanish, though I wouldn't know) is her signal to the audience that she now has gone all the way with the ex-pres's son love of her life.

Frank Kogan, Friday, 1 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

four weeks pass...
I really hate the new look of Shakira, I accidently ran into a couple of old pictures (with darkhair) and I think even a blind person sees that the old Shakira was/is much prettier. Or should I see, then she looked pretty and nowadays she's ugly.

Martin, Saturday, 30 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

three months pass...
shakira sucks. latinos suck. no offense.

gigi, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

This is wacky. Im damm sure there is a funk band called Shakira in Toronto. Ian Blurton just produced their cd, wierd.
Dont know why i didnt think of it when it came up the first time.

Mr Noodles, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...
The problem here is not whether Shakira was better back when she had black hair,or now that she is a tacky blonde.
The issue here is that she is *exploiting* her Arabic(ha!)roots and tries to kid us that her silly wiggle is "belly dance".
I'm Mediterranean and I have been an expert in Middle eastern dances(the correct name for belly dance) since i was 13 and I can assure you that Shakira is just a cheap provocateur who has no idea of true belly dance.Any Arab can assure of this,in fact.
She is a joke and i dislike her greatly.

TRUE BELLY DANCE RULES!!!


Ozlem

ozlem, Saturday, 7 September 2002 22:16 (twenty-three years ago)

"real" belly dance in no way compares to SKIPPY DANCE.

Graham (graham), Saturday, 7 September 2002 22:25 (twenty-three years ago)

what are the true belly dance rules

boxcubed (boxcubed), Saturday, 7 September 2002 22:41 (twenty-three years ago)

I AM NOT MY HAIR! What Shakira's sound looks like (quotations are from from Shakira: Woman Full of Grace by Ximena Diego):

3rd album: "She could pull on tight leather pants and be an aggressive rocker, or leave her hair long and straight to turn herself into a sweet balladeer. Beyond her image, she was finally beginning to live what she had dreamed of for so many years: she was a star on her own terms (even though she prefers to be considered 'an artist, not a star')."

According to the magazine Cromos: "She seduces with reggae, with the sway of her hips, with her engaging facial expressions. She revisits her old passion for rock and roll. She tosses her black hair as if possessed by Janis Joplin."

5th album: "In keeping with her increasingly rocker sound, for this album she left her hair loose and messy and filled it up with little colorful braids."

"The makeover logically followed the change in her music: her eyes had the look of an Arabic woman, appropriate for singing 'Ojos Así,' and her long colorful hair gave her a contemporary hippie look for songs like 'Ciega sordomuda.'"

"As if sales weren't enough, in various countries such as Spain, Turkey, and Argentina, girls were copying Shakira's style. In almost every school, girls were colorfully braiding their hair and wore friendship bracelets, and they were wearing out the album. They adored that end-of-the-century hippie look, and they identified with the love stories she constructed with uncomplicated poetry."

But then in 2000, "Shakira began the year with an identity crisis. 'I'm going through a really insecure period. Even if many don't believe it,' she admitted in Buenos Aires. Perhaps as a way to reaffirm her personality, she radically changed her appearance. 'Here you go,' she told the journalist while touching her hair, recently dyed platinum and golden blonde. 'A lot of people told me, "No, Shakira is a brunette." Jeez! I am not my hair, I believe that I've overcome that fear.' But the reporter had not even mentioned her hair. At that moment, her old image, the one with the black and red hair, was being imitated in cities all over the world, which should have diminished her insecurities."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 8 September 2002 01:22 (twenty-three years ago)

(By the way, what Chupa-Capras was calling her second album was actually her fifth, and what he was calling her her third album was her sixth. Her first two LPs have been suppressed [like pre-Natalie Dixie Chicks and disco-dolly Alanis], and there was a remix/Portuguese LP in there somewhere.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 8 September 2002 01:23 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.unm.edu/~ijm2/music/shakira/shakira2.jpg

stevo (stevo), Sunday, 8 September 2002 08:18 (twenty-three years ago)

shit, if yr gonna have an id crisis, buenos aires is the place to have it.

Queen G (Queeng), Sunday, 8 September 2002 12:39 (twenty-three years ago)

She's one of the worst acts around in any genre, absolutely blindingly awful, crap "deep" lyrics, crap music, a totally convincing argument for pop music being manufactured.

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 8 September 2002 18:06 (twenty-three years ago)

I dunno... "Eyes Like Yours" is pretty fucking great. I would be very pleased to see that released as a single.

Jody Beth Rosen, Sunday, 8 September 2002 18:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Do you ever smile Ronan? Or are you too busy having "fun"?

Graham (graham), Sunday, 8 September 2002 18:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Jesus maybe if you weren't so hate filled you'd have some fun with or without the inverted commas aswell, can't you just be civil? I've nothing against you personally and I'd rather just co-exist, this is stupid.

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 8 September 2002 18:33 (twenty-three years ago)

How come i ever said that the new Shakira was better! I was probably drunk cos Shakira was so much better when she had beats. Jody, "Eyes Like Yours" was released as a single. It was on her last album in spanish i think the name was "Ojos Asi"

vic (vicc13), Sunday, 8 September 2002 19:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Jody, "Eyes Like Yours" was released as a single. It was on her last album in spanish i think the name was "Ojos Asi"

I kinda knew that, but I'd love to see the English-language version become a huge U.S. hit.

Jody Beth Rosen, Sunday, 8 September 2002 19:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Be civil to my Shakira then.

Graham (graham), Sunday, 8 September 2002 21:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Ojos Asi is a total rip-off of Arabic Music,and her dance of this song is a total hoax.It sucks big time!

Ozlem, Sunday, 8 September 2002 23:18 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...
You people just need to chill. Everyone has to have a time of finding themselves in many aspects. In this case she has tried English and Spanish. Maybe she knows now because I heard her next cd will be Spanish. I think she is a great dancer and if she could consider her way of belly dancing because once you learn something you always add your own special touch. So who knows where she is going. I love both types of music. Just I don't get why she did objection, my least favorite song on the cd. I think she needs to do the song ready for the good times and fool. But this is just all my opinion.

Blah, Sunday, 3 November 2002 01:40 (twenty-three years ago)

But what about the PONIES and WATERFALLS?

Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 3 November 2002 04:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Whoever has followed Shakira's steps closely this year knows that there is not such thing as "old" or "new" Shakira. The hair color is just that, thousands of women around the world like to play with her looks and Shakira is not the exception, that doesnt make her less of a person or has to affect her personality.

As an artist I think we should recognize that selling more than 10 million copies worldwide off one album is not an easy task. Certainly she is the first artist from South America to be able to do that. Sensuality helps ,yes, but you still need some charisma to appeal in a world market. And shakira has proven that she has that and more.
Of course there is lots of room for improvement, but Laundry Service is hell of a good album for her first try out on a foreign language.


H C, Tuesday, 5 November 2002 00:21 (twenty-three years ago)

three years pass...
i like you music sakura my country is guinnea iam man 20year i like you sakira ilove you

patesto, Monday, 24 April 2006 11:35 (nineteen years ago)

Shakira appreciates all her wonderful fans, but is unable to personally respond at this time.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 24 April 2006 11:39 (nineteen years ago)

"Objection (Tango)" is fucking brilliant.

Grand (grand), Monday, 24 April 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

Sensuality helps, yes, but you still need some charisma to appeal in a world market

TS: Charisma vs Sensuality.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 24 April 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...
I think everyone here needs to realise that she has accomplished a lot. She has a unique sound that some people quite obviously dislike, but you don't have to be a friggin rocket scientist to realise that a lot of people obviously love her music for her to be able to sell more than 10 million copies worldwide and all this singing in a foreing language! Hello McFly???!

I don't like her music, but I get a lot of satisfaction knowing that the synical losers that bag her music will continue to change the radio station while her music gets airplay irritating those losers more and more! Where ever When ever we're meant to be together.. hahahaha I you can't get that song out of your head! Get a life losers!

Jule Congo, Friday, 19 May 2006 06:05 (nineteen years ago)

three years pass...

Nu-Nu-Shakira:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqLVnVQSmLA

Tim F, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 04:31 (sixteen years ago)

o_O

The autotuned chorus and the HOWLS. I dig the disco guitars at 1:25, but they only stick around for like 10 seconds. I like her heavy breathing too, no creepo.

This is probably my favorite Shakira jam:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtnHn72K1BQ

DJ Mr. Face Stabba, M.D. (Whitey on the Moon), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 05:19 (sixteen years ago)

ok, i don't know if that's true, but it's a good jam.

DJ Mr. Face Stabba, M.D. (Whitey on the Moon), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 05:35 (sixteen years ago)

The heavy breathing reminds me of "Personal Jesus". Bassline sounds familiar but i'm not sure what i'm thinking of.

myndbloom, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 07:40 (sixteen years ago)

go jule go jule

is juiceless??? (tremendoid), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 08:12 (sixteen years ago)

I like it. The bassline's reminding me of 'Blind' by Hercules & Love Affair.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 17:13 (sixteen years ago)

two months pass...

song is dope -- video is that perfect shakira mix of awkward/weird & hottt

butthurt (deej), Sunday, 6 September 2009 22:02 (sixteen years ago)

Spanish version is much better than the English one. And it's not the howls that are the best bit, it's those strings.

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 6 September 2009 22:20 (sixteen years ago)

(trying to put out of my mind that the verses remind me of 'Californication')

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 6 September 2009 22:21 (sixteen years ago)

nah its totally the awooos, the strings are cool but they're pretty typical disco strings

butthurt (deej), Monday, 7 September 2009 00:10 (sixteen years ago)

the video for "she-wolf" makes me feel the way i did whenever i saw toni braxton's "you're making me high" growing up

Bastards of Young Dro, Monday, 7 September 2009 04:25 (sixteen years ago)

for a song with awooos, lyrics about lycanthropy and general werewolf imagery, and a video like that, it's oddly unassuming. her vocal is kinda restrained!

lex pretend, Monday, 7 September 2009 07:45 (sixteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

this music video is just...i dunno. probably one of the most retarded ones i've ever seen. good song tho

blap 10, lure, ax (k3vin k.), Friday, 25 September 2009 03:42 (sixteen years ago)

http://i37.tinypic.com/2i7qp7m.jpg

jaxon, Tuesday, 29 September 2009 19:04 (sixteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

man every shakira album is the same!

i. stick it on
ii. it blasts past me top to tail in one big headlong rush
iii. indeterminable period of silence
iv. scratch chin, blink, decide hmm, yes that was rather excellent
v. have nothing whatsoever to add further, go back to my biz

r|t|c, Friday, 23 October 2009 12:42 (sixteen years ago)

six months pass...

Apologies if this is being discussed elsewhere, but I just heard it today. Is this "Explore" song using a sample of "Islands" by The xx legit or just some interwebs mashup?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpAbsabew7E

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 13 May 2010 19:34 (fifteen years ago)

It's a straight up cover.

Alex in Montreal, Thursday, 13 May 2010 22:28 (fifteen years ago)

haha wait

Have a slice of wine! (HI DERE), Thursday, 13 May 2010 22:30 (fifteen years ago)

three years pass...

are we talking about this song "empire" yet, with its Tori Amosisms in the verses and its "And I'm like [wooooo]" chorus?

I was more or less into it until I got to the chorus but that chorus, ugh

(or if you must, "data") (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 12 March 2014 20:04 (eleven years ago)

ten years pass...

'90s Shakira kicked so much ass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3gbisdtJnA

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 28 February 2025 13:53 (one year ago)

Also love this full mariachi version from an Unplugged session

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACYEETQfTtc

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 28 February 2025 14:28 (one year ago)


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