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Milton told me to start this.

I expect lots of fine words from Momus and Werd Leinad!

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 24 March 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

untouchably classic!

A Bunch of Foulness In The Pit - post Palais pop, but even heavier on the sampling keyboards for the noise

Ohi Ho Bang Bang - perfect single

Demixed - released right after As Is in 1992, very early extremely schizoid techno remixes shamelessly pilfering tons of contemporary loops in the best way possible, does anyone know who these 'remixers' are or is it just Hiller and Daniel Miller?)

Little Present - radioplay collage about a visit to mid-nineties Japan that keeps diverting into impossible tiny songs, field recordings and radio/tv samples, my favorite thing he's done

milton, Thursday, 24 March 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

"As Is" just snuck up on me. It's a great record that I wish more people knew about- poised so delicately between pop song and musique concrete. I would say it was "ahead of its time" but it really was kind of continuing on a technologically-inflected-mature-European pop album lineage which felt almost inevitable. It's elegant and graceful and weirdly, obliquely funky. I'm not sure what to compare it too- like a more solitary auteur-ish Slapp Happy album made by one guy with a sampler who "gets it"? Cornelius avant la lettre with a mild case of Euro-weltschmertz rather than Disneyfied glee? Van Dyke Parks x Neubauten = ? If you like the first Oval record "Wohntohn", the one with the singing on it, you will DEFINITELY love this record.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Thursday, 24 March 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

the key to Hiller is that he started off writing bizarre, angular pop songs (in Palais Schaumberg), _then_ discovered sampling as a means to augment the disjunctiveness... so everything's thoroughly grounded in the pop songcraft, no matter how many right angles or impossible juxtapositions creep in, every sound deployed is an extension of the song. you sing along to unsingable things.

'as is', we trainspot now? techno rush remix of 'gesang der jungliche', keyboard riff from Neg's 'yellow black & rectangular' turned into house anthem, the best loops from Can's 'quantum physics' drawn out & extended... what else?

'demixed' is even crazier / dancier. they knew their detroit...

Mauritz von Oswald guests on 'A Bunch of Foulness' in 1984...

milton, Thursday, 24 March 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

Search: Renegade Soundwave - "Holgertron"!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 24 March 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)

oben im eck, whippets, search on soulseek for the early atatak singles, also hiller and thomas fehlmann's wir bauen eine neue stadt tape which is great - pre-cursor to the palais schaumberg single of the same name (the video for it also floats about on slsk).
the jonny du lump 12" mix is quite simply fantastic.
he has also edited erasure, produced stump's a fierce pancake album and was rumoured to be the man behind the ariston and on and on ad music.
oben im eck samples neubauten in re-constructing tom verlaine's warm glass, or at least i think it is. the same neubauten samples appear on demixed too.

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Thursday, 24 March 2005 22:29 (twenty years ago)

forgot he produced a fierce pancake!

he put out a s/t in 2000, it had a few good things on it like 'micki mouse', though I'm not sure I'd start with that one. I need to find those early singles.

anyone heard his cover version of the Hindemith opera with Fehlmann?
http://www.discogs.com/release/88254

milton, Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:28 (twenty years ago)

ha, i knew you would be on this thread frenchbloke. holger, where art thou?

stirmonster, Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:28 (twenty years ago)

the early singles cost a small fortune. some turn up on ebay and gemm. best bet for the quick fix is good old soulseek.

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Friday, 25 March 2005 03:10 (twenty years ago)

yes, where is holger these days?

moley, Friday, 25 March 2005 03:17 (twenty years ago)

I

Adam Bruneau (oliver8bit), Friday, 25 March 2005 03:44 (twenty years ago)

he's in japan from what i recall. if you can't find the stuff on soulseek, give's a shout and i'll do ye a cd

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Friday, 25 March 2005 09:08 (twenty years ago)

forgot he produced a fierce pancake!

Not without teh several acrimony – full story on Kev Hopper's site:
http://www.kevhopper.dsl.pipex.com/Stump.html

OleM (OleM), Friday, 25 March 2005 10:53 (twenty years ago)

*goes checks wot's that one h-hiller cd he's got*
...
well i have that holger hiller cd from 2000 (mute) and me quite likes it, yes.
haven't heard any others, tho :(

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Friday, 25 March 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

that stump page is great. sad ending though. I still need to hear the eps.

put on 'as is' last night and ended up going through nearly all of them. pretty great.

when that 'advice to clever children' article came out and all four of the victims counter-reviewed the Stockhausen pieces, saying he should loop and build them up... I smiled because Hiller had already done that on 'As Is', along with tons of other concrete pieces & 80's digital computer music, & he'd done it perfectly... he'd obviously spent years in reverent listening, & knew how to apply the best snippets over rhythms to make them catchy without being disrespectful. Turning Berio / Berberian's 'Visage' into _good_ dance music.

the Stockhausen remix turns up again on Demixed, this time paired with the 'What is going on? / & Why are you being so nice! nice! nice!' sample... in the early 90's, with good raves still going on in northern california, the idea of a record that overtly combined Stockhausen with SPEED LIMIT THREE equalled one happy me.

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 25 March 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...
Ohi Ho Bang Bang "The Two" video from 1988 (Holger Hiller + Karl Bonnie (Renegade Soundwave))

DOQQUN (donut), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

Better quality of the above YouTube

HI, YOUR BAND! (Mackro Mackro), Tuesday, 25 November 2008 00:16 (seventeen years ago)

so good.

can anyone speak to how different the "Hyperprism" mixes are from "Oben Im Eck"? I've only heard the latter.

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 00:41 (seventeen years ago)

i second that emotion.

stirmonster, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 02:23 (seventeen years ago)

also, any more sightings of hh? the last thing i know of was a co-production on a chicks on speed record around 2002.

stirmonster, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 02:27 (seventeen years ago)

nine months pass...

came here to post that youtube clip above.

all else I've heard so far is A Bunch of Foulness in the Pit, from which I've been playing the instrumental tracks on repeat. they're almost like acoustic Schimpfluch noise reconstituted into odd rhythms. so great!

gnarly sceptre, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 19:54 (sixteen years ago)

two months pass...

holy shit just scored a copy of the ohi ho bang bang 12", it's insane! "the three" samples "a wongga dance song" (ATTN milton!!)

"the two" sounds like a different mix to the version in the video upthread though, the beats are kinda heavier. where can i find the video mix?

rio (sean), Saturday, 28 November 2009 15:03 (sixteen years ago)

actually it's "the path" that samples sakamoto, got the sides mixed up. the bass on this track is huge!

rio (sean), Saturday, 28 November 2009 16:58 (sixteen years ago)

"Johnny Du Lump" is frickin' amazing.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 28 November 2009 17:33 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

that Izumi Kobayashi album he produced has finally been blogged and it's wonderful. the exact kind of crosscultural cutup I love. Holger's a lot more present as a producer than he was on the later Azucar Letal album (which I like, but which is relatively straightforward)

and some of Izumi's earlier disco & technopop singles from 78-83 are on youtube now and you can see why they got along, search 'coffe rumba'

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 02:29 (fifteen years ago)

I need this.

=(^ • ‿‿ • ^)= (corey), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 02:41 (fifteen years ago)

is that IK.I? been looking for that for a while. i'm a huge fan of their collaborative effort Oben Im Eck. noticed she played keyboards on Wild and Lonely by the Associates which is pretty cool. guess that was the Maurizio connection

recently been enjoying Holger Hiller's album A Present. it's a travelogue of sorts, field recordings of Tokyo he made during a trip visiting his son. lots of strangely catchy sample collages interspersed with narrative. extremely cool

still sux that the video mix of Ohi Ho Bang Bang is not readily available (afaict)

he's def one of the greats

missingNO, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 03:58 (fifteen years ago)

oh, Milton already mentioned A Present upthread, and did a much better job of describing it than I. good album

missingNO, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 04:00 (fifteen years ago)

one month passes...

Ha't Vo'i Quê Huong 7 inch, 1982

Milton Parker, Monday, 31 January 2011 09:28 (fifteen years ago)

four years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0nMGiLeDik

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 23:21 (eleven years ago)

three years pass...

half hour interview with Hiller via Momus on the subject of one single 2.5 minute song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3YPOvKDumk

ten thousand glass-bead-game points to Nick for bringing up Musicae Atrium de Madrid in response to Hiller's clue that he'd sampled reconstructions of ancient Greek music

Atrium Musicae de Madrid / Gregorio Paniagua

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 06:25 (seven years ago)

also: listening to the 2000 self-titled. while I remember why it seemed slightly behind the times when it came out -- he was using a lot of mid-90's era drum loops -- 20 years later, that now actually adds to the fun, because all the unexpected edits / audio non-sequiturs applied to those basic materials only make it more difficult to place the era of what you're listening to. the ingredients are safely historical but people are only beginning to catch up to forms like this now.

still nothing around that sounds much like his 80's records but shouldn't be surprised that this last record ended up aging well

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 08:00 (seven years ago)

'Little Present' is one of the best albums ever. 100% unique.
This guy is a treasure - can't wait to listen to this. Thanks for posting!

mr.raffles, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 16:31 (seven years ago)

>still nothing around that sounds much like his 80's records

going through 'Oben Im Eck' & Izumi Kobayashi's 'IK.I' today and... well, in terms of digitally precise disjunctive sample manipulation music, there's been a lot of popular music in the wake of this. now that software samplers lead everyone to think of musical form in terms of sample libraries & dropdown file browsers, you don't need to have even heard of Hiller to have your music travelling through some of the same aesthetics he mapped in the 80's but it is seriously a major oversight that his name does not come up more often among people who are paid to map these things, considering the modern territory

at the same time I get why Oneotrix / vapor stuff travelled further -- it goes for soma / ambient / psychedelia instead of Hiller's hyper-alert atonality. it is easy to escape into vapor; Hiller's stuff isn't about zoning.

just in case anyone else has learned the answer since I asked ten years ago -- how different are the mixes on 'Hyperprism' to 'Oben Im Eck'? did 'Hyperprism' even ever end up on CD anywhere?

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 21:28 (seven years ago)

drat

https://shop.fondationbeyeler.ch/en/artikel/albert-oehlen-holger-hiller-wendy-gondelnuntitled-2016-25529

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 02:01 (seven years ago)


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