Rip it up and start again

I looking forward to the connections between 70s progressive music and post-punk

hinted at the research here:

Blissblog: progressive part 1
http://blissout.blogspot.com/2003_10_19_blissout_archive.html#106687459497701236

PROGMETHEUS UNBOUND: THE RETURN
http://blissout.blogspot.com/2003_11_23_blissout_archive.html#106965226667575051

Also looking forward to the sections on
a: gothic rock
b: industrial

also
How much is Killing Joke covered?
Are The Opposition covered?
Are Belgian avant prog band Univers Zero covered?
Is Richard Pinhas mentioned?
What about early 80s King Crimson?

This book stops at 1984, i want to see SR justifications of why it ended there. I would have carried in on to 1985 ! to match up with the start of Blissed Out which started it's story primarily in 86.

Geeta D. mentioned today at brunch that it looks like the Brit edition is v. much the way to go here, as the American one apparently has much more of a Stateside focus in comparison.

I gather a bit of both, but I could be misremembering. Er, Simon, if you're reading this, I'll defer to you on this point! (And yes, djdee, Generation Ecstasy is shorter than Energy Flash.)

good show!

i hope to hell this was sarcasm

Also, apparently there are going to be really great things going on on the web, "footnotes" of info, discographies, etc. that sound like they might eventually contain as much info as the book.

it was called something like 'sime has a name for his new book' but for the life of me i can't find it in the archives of ilm or ilx!!

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/0571215696.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

postpunk = the blob

fancy an overpriced bottle with kate n pete?!?!

read on...

http://blissout.blogspot.com
Rip It Up and Start Again appears to be out now. The publication date is April 28 but for some reason in the book world copies seem to reach the stores and on-line mail-order companies a week or two before the official release and I'm hearing from people who preordered that it's already arrived in the post.

There will be a postpunk panel discussion in London on April 27 chaired by me and featuring:

Howard Devoto
Paul Morley
Gina Birch
Richard Boon

followed by the screening of a 60 min video compiling footage of bands including New Order, the Fall, Cabaret Voltaire, Pop Group, Magazine, PIL, Orange Juice...

Free admission

Doors open 8 PM. Event starts: 8:30

Location: The Boogaloo, 312 Archway Road, Highgate, London N6
Tube: Highgate (Northern Line)

More information (directions, etc) [link]

Also from Reynolds blog:

News on the American edition: it's due February 2006 and will be altogether more compact.
Four chapters are missing--"Outside of Everything" (on Magazine and Subway Sect); "The Blasting Concept" (on SST); "Conform to Deform" (on Some Bizzare and Second-Wave Industrial); one other as yet to be confirmed. Two other chapters have been compressed into one: the Goth and Glory Boys (Echo, Teardrops, U2 etc) chapters, a merger that actually worked rather nicelyl. Another significant difference: the chapter on Mutant Disco era New York is an oral history in the UK edition, but it's a proper written-up chapter in the US Rip It Up.

I quite look forward to hearing about 'Glory Boys'. I hope that SR will not be wayward about things like The Unforgettable Fire. I mean, I hope he will say that it is good. I like it. Ditto for eg 'The Killing Moon', if you like, la.

Well, that settles that. *fires up amazon.co.uk*

I looked at it in a shop. It is quite thick, with a bright cover. Marcello Carlin is in the Index. He is quoted as saying something about the Edge. Tom Ewing, Morrissey, Mark Sinker (present in Acknowedgements) and Lloyd Cole are all absent from the Index. (I don't say that to slight any of them, at all.)

Customers who bought this item also bought:

True Faith: An Armchair Guide to New Order, Joy Division,
Electronica, Revenge, Monaco and The Other Two; Paperback ~ Dave Thompson

I'm Coming to Take You to Lunch: A Tale of Boys, Booze and How Wham! Were Sold to China; Paperback ~ Simon Napier-Bell

Industrial Evolution: Through the 80s with "Cabaret Voltaire"; Paperback ~ Mick Fish, Dave Halberry (Editor)

Joy Division's "Unknown Pleasures" (33 1/3 S.); Paperback ~ Chris Ott

"If...." (BFI Film Classics S.); Paperback ~ Mark Sinker

it's a shame faber didn't do a scrits-style itemized-bill thing for the cover, nice as it is.

This review makes it sound quite good.

Whammy! I like reviews that read like ILX meta-threads.

amazon lists the book as being 752pp, which it isn't. a hell of a lot of stuff will be going on website, apparently.

He probably liked them then

but he didn't write about 'em in RIU&SA. why, simon? why?

Maybe he hadn't heard them

its been a while since i've read the book, but do The Cure even get a mention?

According to the index, they are mentioned on two pages.

That's one more than Marcello!

They didn't really break any new ground, I suppose

neither did Echo and the Bunnymen or U2 but they get a whole chapter devoted to them

Gothy aspects prob. deterred Simey

UNFAIR ANTI-GOTH BIAS REYNOLDS SHOULD BE ASHAMED!!!!!!

Bit of a stylistic deadend

wait theres a whole chapter devoted to goth! basically i get the feeling SR just conveniently left out crucial acts like XTC and The Cure because he simply doesn't like them

Nail-on-head

XTC "crucial"

Are you not a fan?

i think the only thing i can remember about xtc is making plans for nigel and the fact they look like paedophile geography teachers.

I'm a bit of a fan, but no way would I describe XTC as "crucial"

A frequently interesting and inventive band but I can't exactly see how they were "crucial" to any major developments.

Fair enough, the few thoughts I've had about them are similar.

Does Simey mention The Police at all?

dont think so

In Blissed Out they appear as a footnote in his piece on AR Kane.

I think he avoids writing about uncool bands

xtc > gang of four imo.

my bid is: they don't fit the heigher education college lecturer politics template for simey's preferred bands.

no big country no credibility

Big Country were definitely one of his choices in a list of his 10 most hated acts in MM.

Yeah, I don't know why I bothered remembering that either.

No One The Juggler? What was he thinking?

Where Is Jimmy the Hoover Band?

"Let the balls juggle themselves" (xpost)

Comparing a pop band like XTC with the funky punk-rooted sound of Gang of 4 does not follow for me (but maybe that's because I prefer the latter and think they better fit into what most people think of as 'post-punk'). Although Simon obviously chose to include certain pop bands in his definition of post-punk, and Olympic Rings is free to come up with own definition too. The lines were never clear back in the '80s I recall either.

he includes the cod-reggae band scritti politti.

(nb go4 'funky'? really?)

XTC were sort of funky punk-rooted to start off with

Jerky / jagged/ angular etc

XTC were sort of funky punk-rooted to start off with

― Queueing For Latchstrings (Tom D.), Thursday, February 19, 2009 4:33 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

way more than "sort of" if you ask me!

it always kind of irritates me that people act like my favorite period of the band never happened! it's not like plopped out of the womb and sang "the ballad of peter pumpkinhead" with a fuckin string quartet

ok

now you see.

my bid is: they don't fit the heigher education college lecturer politics template for simey's preferred bands.

OTM.

Agreed, Yo I just etc. XTC's best stuff happened through 1980.

I'm a fan, mostly of Drums and Wires, but the records before that I think were pretty influential in the angular/jerky post-punk topped with pop hooks, and I base this on reading press from the time when they are often used as a touchstone. Perhaps now they're better known for later stuff and other artists influences have superceeded them, but at the time, I think they were a decent sized reference point. Kind of the UK version of Talking Heads meets Devo but with more of a power-pop/mod/angry young man style songwriting that probably makes them less sonically interesting in hindsight.

finally read this, it is good. that is all.

I want a book like this one, but for hip hop. Come on nerds, you know the one.

Rip It Up & Start Again: a documentary

https://www.brooklynvegan.com/watch-a-trailer-for-post-punk-doc-rip-it-up-start-again-ft-raincoats-pil-throbbing-gristle-more/

a documentary directed by Nikolaos Katranis and Russell Craig Richardson, with Academy Award winner Leon Gast.

I wonder what Katranis has worked on before ?

The clip on there is not making me want to watch this

My favorite song's entitled

The clip on there is not making me want to watch this

If they want to give a taster, it should be short enough to leave you wanting more. This clip felt like too much of not enough.

crazy long trailer. there is a 99.99% chance i will watch the finished doc.

Agree that overly long trailer and how it’s edited is not promising, but will watch finished product anyway

Yeah didn't need a trailer to know I'll watch it tbh