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Roy Montgomery: Classic or Dud?

So have at it then. I only have one album of his: 324 E. 13th St, which I picked up used while in NY. This is pretty much all I've heard of his work, so I'd really rather not choose, but oh if you press me, I should say Classic. Some favorite moments to search off this album:

1. 'Just Melancholy' - perhaps a given, but this is an incredible beautiful song, with a rather fitting title as well..weepweepsobsob. but it is nice, yes.

2. The swirly, swallowing guitar parts on both 'Intertidal' and 'Fine, Fine, Fine.' Also note some glorious noise parts on 'In Your Wake' where it somehow feels as though Roy's 4 track is drunk (is that his vocals being played backwards near the end, or am I drunk?)

3. Roy's rendition of Wire's 'Used To' is also quite lovely - can't say I prefer one or the other, really.

So, tell me more - do you like? dislike? recommend?

Emily, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

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Emily, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Astoundingly, utterly wonderful. Oh hell yes. That is a good place to start, but seeing as those are singles collected, your next step should be for the longer explorations...

For his solo stuff, try Scenes from the South Island, Temple IV and the more recent Silver Wheel of Prayer. Band stuff - - the Pin Group compilation is fun enough, the Dadamah one often astonishing. Dissolve is a bit hit or miss in comparison, but the semi-spinoff True by Montgomery and Chris Heaphy is excellent.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Only know him from his work with Flying Saucer Attack on the 'Goodbye' EP which is stunning, espec 'The Whole Day'.

stevo, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

with his mouth shut - classic. with his mouth open - painfully, drearily, terribly dull and dud.

EXCEPTION to the latter would be 324 E 13th St. generally, and the 'elegy for nick drake' 7". on the instrumental side, temple IV can't be stopped. and dissolve's "that that is" is brilliant.

your null fame, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i seriously recommend 'Liverpool 82', its on a split flexi with, um, silver apples i think, and came with an issue of ptolemaic terroscope. i apologise for the obscurity of this recommendation, it is probably not that easy to get hold of, but it is the best thing of his that i have heard.

gareth, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I only have the FSA collaboration (which I like) and the track on the Harmony of the Spheres comp, which I'm a little iffy about. Anyone who has that comp -- would you say his track is representative of his other work?

Mark, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Roy is lovely - the singles where he sings are far and away my favourite things - "Just Melancholy", "E.N.D".. the double 7" on Siltbreeze ("Four Songs"?) is great too - nice Barbara Manning collab on there. The single with Kirk Lake on Rocket Girl is ace too - my fav Kirk Lake thing as well.

I wasn't too hot on the Enraptured 7". I've just got hold of Scenes... but haven't had the chance to crack it out yet..

electric sound of jim, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I like everything of his I've heard, but then I'm a sucker for processed folky guitar stuff. His voice is rather unconventional and I can see how it could be seen as drab, but I think it complements his droney guitars rather well. As for recommendations Temple IV is probably my favourite, with END coming a close second.

RickyT, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

with his mouth shut - classic. with his mouth open - painfully, drearily, terribly dull and dud

So, I take it you don't like his vocals then, and prefer the instrumental business? His voice is rather *strange* if only because it's INCREDIBLY low, and I guess I can give you dreary too, but I think that's not necessarily bad in this case. Anyways, I'm sort of wondering what makes 324 a good album for you then and not some of his others, since every track (i think) on there has vocals....

Emily, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

One of the best things he ever did was at one of his count-them-on-one- hand solo live shows at Terrastock 2. Besides two extended pieces, in between he did a solo a capella version of Bowie's "All the Madmen." And it was damn great, low voice and all.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ned, I've heard of Terrastock, and I get the impression it's something I'd really like... could you share some more info?

Clarke B., Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

they usedta call the Pin Group "Roy Division".

duane, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

which was pretty funny

duane, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

his solo music is dismal

duane, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

seems a nice chap tho

duane, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I do like that Roy Division comment, yes I do.

That Terrastock thing = Ptolemaic Terrascope spinoff. Investigate and learn.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's like the Grateful Dead; I just can't hear anything there. Except worse, because it sounds goth too.

Kris, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But why do you think I LIKE IT SO MUCH? *drapes self in robes of blackened suffering, chants in moonlight and invokes Lestat*

Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

So, I take it you don't like his vocals then, and prefer the instrumental business?

yeah... essentially i like the older stuff on 324; later things (i'm thinking of a 10" i heard and "now the rain") have guitar that's far too clear and sparkly and his voice is just TOO gothic sounding. he obviously resembles ian curtis, and he sounds best when the whole thing's muffled, to my ears. 4-tracked. whoever does the singing on dissolve's first sounds great, though. and i can stand his vocals in dadamah & the pin group.

your null fame, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

three years pass...
I go googling just to see if he's done anything at all recently and find this. Not the same Roy Montgomery, I trust.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 22:17 (twenty years ago)

giant space dove is attacking earth!

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 22:24 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

Awesome

admrl, Sunday, 6 January 2008 00:40 (eighteen years ago)

http://media.brainwashed.com/common/images/covers/krank009.jpg

Milton Parker, Sunday, 6 January 2008 03:14 (eighteen years ago)

yes

admrl, Sunday, 6 January 2008 19:58 (eighteen years ago)

I have been there, Temple IV that is.

admrl, Sunday, 6 January 2008 20:10 (eighteen years ago)

Nice.

Very awesome. He's doing academic work now, I gather, but damn if he didn't leave behind some great music.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 6 January 2008 20:16 (eighteen years ago)

what field?

when i heard temple iv on the radio once, i pulled over and called to see what it was. that's only happened twice. this guy is great.

amateurist, Sunday, 6 January 2008 20:42 (eighteen years ago)

He's doing academic work now, I gather, but damn if he didn't leave behind some great music.

thank you for pre-answering the question i was about to ask!

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Monday, 7 January 2008 03:26 (eighteen years ago)

The interview indicates that there's a new compilation out which I'd not heard about at all! Inroads is the title, but damned if I can find a home page for the label, Rebis. Anyway, here's one site carrying the release.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 7 January 2008 03:40 (eighteen years ago)

And talking about his current work in particular:

You're a senior lecturer and group leader at the Environment, Society and Design Division at Lincoln University. Care to tell us a bit about what you do? Has it ever been difficult to combine an academic career with a musical one?

Basically my job is to train up future environmental policy-makers and managers. I lecture undergrads and post-grads and supervise Masters and PhD students researching environmental management topics. Not difficult at all to combine careers since I don't have a musical one. The musical work is a fitful activity and the pressures are more with family life and being a volunteer firefighter in my twilight years.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 7 January 2008 03:41 (eighteen years ago)

the song Something Else Again from a mid 90s 7" was always my favorite.

dan selzer, Monday, 7 January 2008 05:08 (eighteen years ago)

Wow, it's nice to see not only what Roy Montgomery's up to (classic, but another vote for instrumentals above the vocal tracks here, though I happily listen to either) but also what Mats of Broken Face is up to, since I enjoyed and miss the zine and this Deep Water Acres site Ned linked to is new to me. Thanks Ned!

a passing spacecadet, Monday, 7 January 2008 08:57 (eighteen years ago)

The musical work is a fitful activity and the pressures are more with family life and being a volunteer firefighter in my twilight years.

!!

Michael Dudikoff presents Action Adventure Theatre, Monday, 7 January 2008 10:42 (eighteen years ago)

Rebis is a label out of Chicago run by the band Number None, I think.
Been listening to Temple IV a lot. His side of the Harmony of the Spheres, "Fantasia on a theme by Sandy Bull," is a personal favorite, too.

Trip Maker, Monday, 7 January 2008 14:55 (eighteen years ago)

two years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvvWccgN3Zs

Faerie Liquide (admrl), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 05:59 (fifteen years ago)

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
SHREDS is not even the word 4 it

Faerie Liquide (admrl), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 05:59 (fifteen years ago)

Yup.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 06:03 (fifteen years ago)

Oh yes.

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:35 (fifteen years ago)

does anyone here like Hash Jar Tempo?

Dirt to Iron Man: "Suck it" (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 14:15 (fifteen years ago)

Love 'em.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 14:20 (fifteen years ago)

It's been quite a while since I gave "Well-Oiled" a spin, actually.

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 14:46 (fifteen years ago)

does anyone here like Hash Jar Tempo?

Yup, I pulled out Under the Glass earlier this week, actually -- great stuff.

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:04 (fifteen years ago)

cool i want to check them out...when looking through the Flying Nun discography a few months back, it never occured to me once that the Pin Group might be as relevant as The Clean lol...

drown sandwich (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:55 (fifteen years ago)

There's another new Roy Montgomery track "Pressed Bloom" coming on the CD release of his Grouper split next year: http://sites.google.com/site/yellowelectric/Grouper

plazzTT, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:57 (fifteen years ago)

HJT is great! Not as great as Dadamah though, imo!

CharlieS, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 21:17 (fifteen years ago)

one month passes...

Hi,

Just stumbled on this. I appreciate the comments that have kept the thread going (thanks Ned), albeit fitfully just like my output. Yes I found the "Roy Division" quip funny myself at the time not least when I arrived at work one day (record shop) to find it sprayed in day-glo on the big glass window. Expect a modest crank or two of the handle of output over the next year or so.

Roy Montgomery, Monday, 1 November 2010 09:49 (fifteen years ago)

Incidentally, was listening to the collab w/ Kirk Lake, "London Is Swinging By His Neck". So, so haunting & beautiful!

silence is a rhythm too (Turangalila), Monday, 1 November 2010 10:05 (fifteen years ago)

xpost -- Hey, you're welcome there sir, glad you could stop by. Looking forward to whatever comes next!

Ned Raggett, Monday, 1 November 2010 12:47 (fifteen years ago)

hahahahaha fuck me i was getting this dude mixed up with roy buchanan, never mind

i was like damn roy done changed his style up in the 80s

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 21 October 2016 18:43 (nine years ago)

"down from that hill and up from the pond" and "ill at home" remain my 2 favorite roy montgomery songs, "winding it out in the high country" and that whole album too
can someone give me a little description of what's in this box set?

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 21 October 2016 18:49 (nine years ago)

you guys this box set is so so good

erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 03:39 (nine years ago)

LL, you have probably investigated by now but it's four albums of new material, one with vocals three instrumental. so far I like Bender the most, but it's going to take a while. as a whole it falls more on the scenes from the south island side than the temple IV side, but darkmotif dancehall has some of the heaviness of now the rain sounds...

erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 03:46 (nine years ago)

Love his instrumentals but can't take his voice

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 12:36 (nine years ago)

I haven't investigated -- I have been really busy! Thank you -- that's exactly what I wanted to know :) Three instrumental is a good sign!
Not a huge fan of his voice either unless he is whispering creepily. It's alright.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 12:43 (nine years ago)

I love his voice because I can sing along to it, unlike 99% of the vocalists I love

erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 13:40 (nine years ago)

Ha! I know the feeling.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 13:52 (nine years ago)

Love his voice and always happy to hear it.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 15:43 (nine years ago)

Bought the new issue of the Wire for the Roy article, probably first time buying an issue since the mid 90s!

dan selzer, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 15:44 (nine years ago)

No offense to the Wire, I just don't buy magazines much.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 15:44 (nine years ago)

two months pass...

As the Sun Sets from Tropic of Anodyne is my theme song for 2017.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Monday, 9 January 2017 01:33 (nine years ago)

one year passes...

aaaaaaand new album:

https://grapefruitrecordclub.com/products/montgomery-roy-suffuse-lp-with-bonus-second-lp-option-pre-order

Called "Suffuse" and it's got tracks he wrote for a handful of guest vocalists, most of whom seem to have taken him up on the offer!

1) Apparition (with Haley Fohr)
2) Rainbird (with She Keeps Bees)
3) Outsider Love Ballad No 1 (with Katie Von Schleicher)
4) Mirage (with Purple Pilgrims)
5) Sigma Octantis (with Julianna Barwick)
6) Landfall (with Liz Harris)

There's a bonus LP available with the vinyl edition which seems to have instantly sold out.

com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 21:40 (seven years ago)

the bonus lp version cost like $52 fuck that shit

adam, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 22:31 (seven years ago)

it's made from melted down copies of rarer, more expensive records

com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 23:14 (seven years ago)

Haley Fohr!

+ +, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 23:16 (seven years ago)

It's a lovely record.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 23:25 (seven years ago)

three months pass...

damn this is a great album!

crüt, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 18:04 (seven years ago)

eight months pass...

Scenes From the South Island is so fucking good

JoeStork, Sunday, 7 July 2019 00:41 (six years ago)

^^^^^

I ended up really loving Suffuse as well

think the toledo mud hens but for twitter (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 7 July 2019 08:57 (six years ago)

three months pass...

And not only is it so fucking good, it's going to be available again soon!

https://grouper.bandcamp.com/album/scenes-from-the-south-island

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 16:03 (six years ago)

wait, that song is Nor'wester Head On? I always thought that was Winding It Out in the High Country!

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 16:16 (six years ago)

Liz's song on Suffuse is phenomenal

the oxford book of chaos (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 19:47 (six years ago)

Also forgot to mention, After Nietzsche, the album he released this year with Emma Johnston, is amazing. Emma Johnston has a Liz Fraseresque sorta vocal style (or someone I can't quite place, along the lines of maybe Black Rose or Ordo Equitum Solis... especially on the title track) that totally lights up Roy Montgomery's guitar work, so good.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 20:51 (six years ago)

two months pass...

So the vinyl re-release of Scenes from the South Island has a nice 3-part 16-minute suite as side 4, called Hollyford Valley. Recorded in 2018, not in 1995 with the rest of the album. It's a nice Faith-era Cure sort of sound, a kinda black and white Primary. Instrumental, pretty. So happy he keeps releasing new stuff.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 18 January 2020 04:36 (six years ago)

three months pass...

Roy's been posting new tracks on his YouTube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF5NZfRf_kt7ff9rG4la9ig

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 9 May 2020 19:45 (five years ago)

three months pass...

!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5ToEdQiybc

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 23 August 2020 04:48 (five years ago)

two months pass...

Whole lot more coming in early 2021
https://badabingrecords.bandcamp.com/album/roy-montgomery-40th-anniversary-2021-lp-series

JoeStork, Saturday, 7 November 2020 03:54 (five years ago)

I like how he is casually dropping four-album sets these days like it’s NBD

thousand-yard spiral stairs (f. hazel), Saturday, 7 November 2020 05:44 (five years ago)

He posted a new cover on his YouTube channel too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpzshwncFw0

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 7 November 2020 08:06 (five years ago)

five months pass...

new album is gorgeous

eisimpleir (crüt), Saturday, 17 April 2021 15:36 (four years ago)

one month passes...

New album "That Best Forgotten Work" is a vocal album! I love his doomy voice, has Roy sung much on his solo albums? The ones I've checked out have been exclusively instrumental.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 12 June 2021 13:38 (four years ago)

On and off. Love the singing. Always

dan selzer, Saturday, 12 June 2021 14:25 (four years ago)

"Suffuse" had female guest vocalists singing vocal parts he'd written

eisimpleir (crüt), Saturday, 12 June 2021 15:19 (four years ago)

buy his singles comp 324 E. 13th Street #7, it has plenty of songs with vocals!

mark e. smith-moon (f. hazel), Saturday, 12 June 2021 15:26 (four years ago)

Don't forget the Dadamah and Dissolve albums!

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 12 June 2021 18:23 (four years ago)

The singles comp as mentioned with the swallows single and Something Else Again? One of my favorites.

dan selzer, Saturday, 12 June 2021 18:41 (four years ago)

one year passes...

I wrote this: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/nov/29/cult-guitarist-roy-montgomery-on-flying-nun-grief-and-embracing-mistakes-its-an-existential-thing. Camera Melancholia is magnificent.

his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Tuesday, 29 November 2022 11:18 (three years ago)

Truly.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 29 November 2022 13:49 (three years ago)

oh! this must be live on Spotify soon so I can listen at work... got the vinyl in the mail a few days ago

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Tuesday, 29 November 2022 16:07 (three years ago)

(also great article!)

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Tuesday, 29 November 2022 16:07 (three years ago)

Thank you!

his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Tuesday, 29 November 2022 17:27 (three years ago)

Lovely article/interview - I'm a NZer and I'd never heard some of those biographical details before. Glad he's got the Dry Cleaning support slot here - hoping that + the new Matthew Goody Flying Nun book will give him a bit more local attention.

etc, Tuesday, 29 November 2022 20:15 (three years ago)

Nice interview, thanks for sharing. I picked up RMHQ earlier this year and greatly enjoyed it. Spun all four discs on repeat on a day trip through a national park in the Pacific Northwest.

ilxor, Wednesday, 30 November 2022 04:27 (three years ago)

The one song with vocals is truly the most beautiful thing I've heard in ages. Doesn't sound like it but makes me think of Nick Cave's Distant Sky, another heartbreakingly melancholic elegy featuring guest female vocals.

dan selzer, Friday, 2 December 2022 13:43 (three years ago)

saw him play in the Futana Chapel today

i'm from the same place he is and i was a fan of his instrumental 90s stuff years ago but haven't really been able to get into the what i've heard since he's started releasing again. the was pretty nice, particularly the opening omnichord piece. might have to check the new one out. he also mentioned that he's putting a book of verse next year and read some of it out which was pretty hard to watch/listen to but suprisingly good and pretty poignant.

revisting this album tonight for the first time in a long time. probably my favourite vocal track of his (along the Wire cover)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHjMRi7lu9s

linee, Saturday, 3 December 2022 08:35 (three years ago)

two years pass...

Temple IV is so damn classic

H.P, Wednesday, 23 April 2025 07:41 (ten months ago)

Trudat

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 April 2025 14:12 (ten months ago)

was just listening to Scenes from the South Island yesterday evening because it was raining

fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Wednesday, 23 April 2025 15:17 (ten months ago)

nine months pass...

A new/old album (he'd apparently been sitting on these sessions for a decade):

https://discreetmusicgbg.bandcamp.com/album/guitars-infernal

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 February 2026 20:49 (one month ago)


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