Did Public Enemy base their sound on The Age of Chance?

Like he doesn't already? I read the thread title as Ace of Base BTW. That was more than a little perplexing.

'Take It'... I think... Or was that Flowered Up? Memory is failing me.

keef w - yes, i am.

The reason I ask is that back in '93 was the last time I played an Age of Chance record, upstairs at Potterrow. Myself and my friend Andy were DJing. We billed ourselves as Keith & Andy kind of jokingly to see if we could pull in some of the Pure punters!

i played age of chance a few weeks ago. it sounded great.

i go offline for a week to see sunshine and there is an AOC thread created !

interesting theories abound ..

AOC were indeed remixed by PE (not a great remix it has to be said) for the single release of Take It.

but i dont think that Rob G had anything to do with the AOC generation of their brand of noise/samples/guitars etc .. they were on that mission before Rob G stepped in with Kiss era, just that access to the Fon studio gave them access to the toys ..

AOC always acknowledged that they had been directly influenced by the Def Jam sonics .. in fact on cassette version of Kisspower that Neil H handed to me back at the end of 86 - he had dropped a ful set of the Beastie Boys live.

and if you hear their Kisspower remix (no Rob G involvelment at all - all done by the band in spare studio time) then i reckon this answers where all their sonic references come from.

more info :

http://www.ageofchance.com

- including a full rundown by Geoff T re Kisspowers creation

better design and loads of good stuff :

http:/www.ageofchanceinfo.co.uk

and yes "1000 Years of Trouble" is still one of my all time fave albums - time for a reissue/remaster version - a cd copy goes for a ton on ebay

Wow, this is exactly how I remember it too. There were these sounds I really like that I was hearing coming out of passing cars, and I knew there was some group called Public Enemy, initially from seeing posters for them. And then at some point I found out they were the ones making that music.

(I know anti-rap comments, etc., but I have to be able to indulge in some P.E.-nostalgia now and then.)

...and Public Enemy...
http://www.publicenemy.com/

...and add a little gawky youthfulness, and do you get... Kill the Vultures?
http://www.killthevultures.com

(sorry, no sound files available yet...)

age of chance were deffo called arsequake by mm. i seem to remember that the whole 'crush collision' thing was like mm's blueprint for what arsequake should be.

off to dig through my clippings archive ..

checked all the stuf i have (though missing SR interviews unfortunately) and no mention of arsequake for AOC - so far ..

Was listening to the Liars recently and could swear I heard some AoC in the mix there, especially percussion-wise.

... all these years later that one track still sends shivers ooop me spine.

my fave AOC track it has to be said ...

http://www.jibdoor.com/

But I loved Killdozer, so what do I know... "King of Sex"!

http://www0.bbc.co.uk/6music/shows/gideon_coe/gla.shtml

at long last.

(ps. suspect the page changes each day .. but today '1000 Years of Trouble' was given its dues by radio6 .. )

So was Terminator X a fan of *Bush of Ghosts*, or Chuck D, or who? I'd never heard that before, in relation to PE. *Bush of Ghosts* was actually a pretty obscure record, but who knows? Anything is possible. But since hip-hop mastermixing goes way back to the first hip-hop DJs, I'm extremely sketpical about this, I have to admit. I would guess any number of random DJs (and, I dunno, Double D and Steinski maybe?) inspired PE way more directly than Byrne and Eno did. (Hell, I'd even pick Was {Not Was} over Byrne and Eno probably!)

"I grew up as a David Byrne fan. I admired his work with Talking Heads and those records then led me to 'My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts' where I discovered Brian Eno's work. The collaboration between Byrne and Eno inspired me to think outside the box and opened my head up to new musical and most importantly non-musical experiences."

Hank Shocklee — Producer (Public Enemy)

I know I've posted this here before, but...

Got into a drunken argument in an empty bar. A rockist-not-rockist friend says, "Public Enemy was Black noise music."

I say, "fuck you, it comes down to the state of Hip-Hop in late 1987. Everybody was ripping apart Ultimate Breaks & Beats and James Brown records. Hank just sought to do it bigger and better than Marley Marl had done after Marl bought his SP1200."

Bartender smirks, and kinda agrees with both.

HANK (AKA PAPPAWHEELIE"S GOD) WALKS IN! No joke.

So we ask him.

Hank just smiles, and agrees with us both.

Hank also creeped out by drunk guy in bar that smells of vomit cornering him to ask minutia about his career...

awesome

well i never.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002EUSU5Q/ref=dm_dp_adp?ie=UTF8&qid=1250834229&sr=1-46

they seemed to have unearthed a few unreleased gems as well, though i suspect no-one realises.

Saw your thing about them on Quietus Mark. Nice one! I'm still listening too.

still no 'kisspower'. I apparently really need to hear that one.

Take a look here

cheers everything.
as much as i love "1000 Years of Trouble", for me the real revelation of this reissue campaign has been able to hear the Pavements EP in full clean stereo after years of having to put up with my overplayed scratched-to-death vinyl.
oh, and there is the small matter that against all the odds the band are once again talking to each other.

That's the one that's exactly identical to the Crush Collision EP (which is the one I've got)? The US Version of the same thing. My copy of that is clean and unscratched but has never had good sound quality so I have never played it much. I'm really anticipating hearing these in good fidelity.

have also heard Shocklee say before that the basic sonic blueprint for the P.E. sound was Megadeth's Peace Sells LP. He worked for a Metal magazine for a few years from what i recall

That's the one that's exactly identical to the Crush Collision EP (which is the one I've got)? The US Version of the same thing.

oh thats right ! i forgot about the repackaged version (it came with Kiss 12" doesn't it ? ).
FON sure did put out a lot of variations of the Kiss single. would love to know how many copies it sold altogether.

thanks for 'Kisspower' link. reminds me of a industrial dance take on these -- http://www.scratchmix.net/index.html

kisspower sounds a little rough and ready these days, but back in 86 it was a revelation to my uninformed ears.

i asked geoff t about it a while ago :

That was the sound of us just wanting to get some of our ideas down and have fun doing it…probably our first opportunity to cut loose in a studio.

This was at the end of the ‘Beneath the Pavement…’ sessions at FON studios in Sheffield, with Rob Gordon engineering. We simply assembled a collection of material of all sorts that we liked and got to work…we had a little studio-time left at the end of those sessions..

We beat JAMMS 'All You Need is Love' and Coldcut's 'Say Kids, What Time Is It?' to the cutting-room by at least 6 months or so.

It really should have gotten a release. I recall the top brass at Virgin citing our use of MC5/Springsteen samples, saying ‘The MC5 would sue you because they’re broke, and Springsteen would sue because he’s rich’.

As a theory, you could see their point, but in the light of what was soon to happen in the music industry, it was complete bollocks. Hence around 500 white-labels were pressed, and that was it.

Angus Batey on Age of Chance.

i am nearing 50, this band still hits the spot.

the early material is fucking insanely good.