Uncut's Alt-Country Infatuation - What's The Fucking Point

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It's starting to really annoy the shit out of me now. As a "lost" MM head I'll still go on reading and enjoying Uncut but sometimes I feel I'd like to strangle Alan Jones for his ceaseless sponsorship and romanticising of all things Americana. For a guy that used to let his late 80s Maker young guns carte blanche to write brilliantly on whatever took their fancy it's pathetic that his sole ethos now is get his writers to drill this stuff down out throats.

So what relevance does alt-Country have in 2002? For me if I want to listen to this music I can do it properly by taking out Let It Bleed, After The Goldfish, or tonnes of other 60's and 70's LPs that do it 10 times better than fucking Calexico, Lambchop or Gillian Welch. You listen to one of those free Uncut Americana CDs and all the acts are so interchangeable - any one could be singing the other's songs and it'd make damn all difference. Jones seems obsessed with the image of the whisky addled and tortured cowboy baring his soul on the gravel crossroads. His reviews of these albums always center on the "harrowing lyrics", the way the songs "evoke Dylan, Young, Chilten blah blah at their most wracked and despairing blah blah". Give it a break Jones, Gavin Martin and Nigel Williamson and get Stubbs to show up the whole farce that alt-country is in this day and age. No more 5 star bloody reviews for this shite. The kids don't care a jot for fuckin Ryan Adams.

David Gunnip, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The kids don't care a jot for fuckin Ryan Adams.

"Uncut: Music Journalism that's not for kids". Except that the only two Ryan Adams fans I know are 18 year old Ronan and some v.young looking girl who was apparently trying to chat me up on New Year's Eve. Go figure.

N., Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hmm. Maybe there's a reason I haven't been listening to those CDs. (I don't have any problem with the acts mentioned, but it's those OTHER acts on the discs that get me going.)

I've tried turning a blind eye to Uncut's cowboy fetishism (though this month, with the Americana primer, it's a bit tough), but it's tough. Especially when they preview next month's issue - CSN&Y!!!! Oh, wow! Yay! Are they merging with Mojo or something? Will March find Uncut celebrating the 20th anniversary of Keef's last solid bowel movement?

That said, I did buy both versions of the Rolling Stone issue to get those CDs. Of course, I haven't listened to them yet.

David Raposa, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I have already ranted about Allan "Americana" Jones on my weblog recently - and how much the obsession with Americana/ Alt Country is boring me and has ruined Uncut - it has reached a peak with the current edition. The emphasis on the music is totally disproportionate to its limited appeal.

The thing is in my local WHSmiths there are stacks of unsold Uncut magazines this month - people don't want this crap.

Uncut over the past year has looked out of touch, stodgy and irrelevant - and its all down to the editorial policies of Mr Jones.

This music has very limited appeal, apart from the few Americana scenesters - that anyway have dedicated music zines such as Comes with a Smile and No Depression.

I am sure there are many others that agree with me - GET RID OF the totally disproportionate coverage of Americana/ Alt Country from UNCUT !

DJ Martian, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

This is - sad to say - the first time ive not bought Ucunt in about 4 years (!) - another American special will not stand.

Tom, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes even Tom agrees with me, maybe a letter writing campaign to Uncut is needed to put Mr Jones in reality street!

DJ Martian, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I am SO happy that my subscription began just as the tumbleweed started to roll down Carnaby Street. SO happy.

David Raposa, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

God, it's been like that for 5 years over here. Uncle Tuepelo, Jayhawks, Wilco, Whiskeytown now Ryan Adams... the critics have been blathering on about this stuff forever. Setting up each new artist as some kind of great saviour of authentic american roots music. I have a pretty high tolerance for this stuff, even like some of it a lot, but the coverage of it is really over the top.

fritz, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Uncut seemed to be at least grabbing on to something at its peak when it had its first go-around with this. Has anyone actually heard the Lift to Experience and Hammell on Trial stuff that they seem to love so much? It sounds dire, based on the free CDs.

It's amazing how these UK mags fall all over any U.S. music that reinforces vague notions about the country or its roots -- alt.country, bands plugged in to the exisiting rock histories of New York City or Detroit, indie bands that have an expansive, "big," sound (that arguably "fit" romanticized sea-to-shining-sea images of the U.S. ; bands such as Mercury Rev, Flaming Lips, Grandaddy, Giant Sand, Chicago and Louisville post-rock) as opposed to the more compressed, claustrophobic sounding groups (DC hardcore and its followers; the Pacific NW types).

scott p., Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

They sometimes do print letters DJM saying "stop going on about fucking alt.country" but there's never any form of reply

Tom, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

[by the way Ryan Adams looks a right dork on the front cover of the NME this week, making a trio of twats alongside Travis bloke and Starsailor bloke.]

[It does not take NME long to continue the bullshit into the new year, next week it's blinking commercial EMO with Jimmy Eat World !]

DJ Martian, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hey! That's now you spell "existing"! Or "earthlink" for that matter. To the coffee machine I go.

scott p., Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

They're obviously going for the Bob Harris Saturday night on Radio 2 audience, aren't they? Depressing. Not that "Careless Talk" is any better; that's already snared up in its own aesthetic quagmire.

It perhaps might be more honest for AJ to chuck the multicultural pretence and just call the mag "Alt.Country." But Gunnip OTM re. obsession with "harrowing lyrics," "wracked and despairing." As with CTCL, Uncut's about the most CHEERLESS music mag going. Did AJ forget the word "No" in the term "No Depression"?

That having been said, please leave Gillian Welch out of this; I continue to maintain that "Time (The Revelator)" was the most radical record (both in terms of form and content) to be released in 2001, and if I ever get that bloody thread finished, I'll explain exactly why.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Even in the books review section it's always Americana and US noir crime novels that get all the praise and column inches. English or Irish novels don't get a look in. Jones has this delusion that the movies of Pecinpah and their ilk, the novels of Cormac McCarthy and their ilk and the music of Giant Sand and their ilk are all inter connected iin this Americana paradise land!!

David Gunnip, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Be thankful its not uncommercial emo DJ M.

Tom, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Uncut is a pain in the ass. And this is coming from someone who likes the bands they cover. The review of Gold was really annoying. and it's really annoying in general knowing they won't say anything bad about certain artists.

But if you're saying magazines should promote music based on whether or not "the kids" will like it then that's bollox. Music magazines are shit. ALL OF THEM. And the free cd is crap in Uncut because it's such a mishmash of acts you could never get to give any of them a decent listen anyway.

Ronan, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tom count your yourself lucky that Oxford is out of range of Xfm? there is lot of rubbish rock: grunge/pop punk/ emo types played on Xfm.

[The reference to commercial emo - was in reference to the NME slogan EMOtional "Rock's Underground storms the Mainstream "]

DJ Martian, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

[The reference to commercial emo - was in reference to the NME slogan EMOtional "Rock's Underground storms the Mainstream "]

Ha! Out of curiousity, who did they praise? Jimmy Eat World?

scott p., Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

grrr! *whom*

scott p., Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

we have to wait till next week ! although alongside JEW, brit types Hundred Reasons and NYC band Rival Schools - are trailed.

DJ Martian, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

*Jones seems obsessed with the image of the whisky addled and tortured cowboy baring his soul on the gravel crossroads*

Well that's what it's like down here in Twickenham, David. You can't help but be influenced by your environment!

Prolly 'cos I know Mr. Jones and he's a nice bloke, I've defended Uncut in these pages in the past. But yes, the recent issue was appalling and lazy. The Lambchop and Ryan Adams pieces were sycophantic, uncritical syntheses of loads of other articles they've done too often before.

The sad thing is that bizzarely, with Adams maybe there's an opportunity for a story which was missed. Whether you like his music or not (I don't) there is possibly some interest in looking at exactly *how* someone with such mediocre talent is going global with such an unfashionable and outdated offering. Instead they put the goonish Nigel Williamson (does anyone know where he sprang from) on the case ensuring a sucking-up whitewash. Almost as bad has some of his Shelby Lynne wank pieces. Williamson let the slobbish Adams mess him around by not constantly being 'too-tired' or 'too in the mood the party' to do the bloody interview. I'd leave him to it, but no NW was mollified by getting to hear *unreleased* demos, and given champagne and such. Jeez!

Uncut should put Reynolds or Roberts to good use, instead of giving the wretch Williamson so many pages. I am no alt country fan, BUT there was some good stuff on the first one. Like everything it's died a death. Onto the next thing.

Handsome Family are really the only band that I'm interested in from this territory. I've only heard 4 or 5 tracks, but I like the black humour and the husband/wife duo thing is interesting.

Dr. C, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I know none of you really care, but what Dr C says about Gold *is* interesting because Heartbreaker, his first album is so many times better. It doesn't have the sort of beggars banquetesque wank towards the end.

It's terribly indie of me to go on about the first album and Whiskeytown albums being better, but they are. The reason I am percieved as such a big Ryan Adams fan here is probably because Heartbreaker is genuinely one of my favourite albums. I listened to it for months. Gold is good too I think, but it got boring after a few weeks.

Ronan, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"the free c.d. is crap in uncut because it's such a mishmash of acts.."

I wish the magazine was as eclectic as the c.d. instead of the usual Jim Beamheads it constantly promotes. Even the movie coverage is pissing me off. Can we have less bullshit about Peckinpah? He sucked except for "The ballad of Cable Hogue".

Michael Bourke, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I meant a mishmash in the sense of their being complete shit mixed with stuff that seems quite good. I know the only time I actually was really struck by a song was when they had "These are the Days" by Lift to Experience.

Ronan, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Just piping in to say I'm a Ryan Adams fan (even seen him live), but I'm American so maybe I don't count.

Sean, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The live show would sell him a good few albums I'd say. Chatting with the crowd and all.

Ronan, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Just you wait -- five years from now he'll be drunk and confused at shows. Happens to all of them. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No, Sean, do post some more on this thread. Also - alex in mainhattan, where are you?

Jeff W, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

So what relevance does alt-Country have in 2002?
For those that missed the bandwagon naturally. Maybe, just maybe, David, some people like to learn about it. Even if it's after it stopped being *hip*.

helenfordsdale, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

OK let's see. Somebody's editing a magazine, and filling it up with stuff that they like, even if it doesn't sell much and the mass audience doesn't find it 'relevant'. And you're complaining. Is that what's going on here or am I mistaken?

dave q, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

(Dave Q's point is one to be kept in mind, even as entirely-valid criticisms are made. Off-topic question: is it a constant that "serious" American listeners are more interested in Anglicisms than "serious" UK listeners are interested in Americana? If so, does this mean that British music is "better" or just that these particular Americans are more open to different musical traditions?)

Nitsuh, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Apply Dave Q's point to music and you've got the points-for-trying mentality which credits independent bands just for showing up.* Yeah there's some truth to it but it's a bottom line from which criticism of something starts not a final word.

*which is the mentality 90% of musicians and record label staff seem to think critics should have, so maybe they're right.

What stops me buying Uncut is that they repeat themselves - and it's not as if they've got anything much to say about Ryan Adams other than "He's great! Feel his pain! Buy his five new albums!". Allan Jones is writing about what he likes, great - but if his music tastes are that narrow these days then maybe a fanzine would be a better option for him.

Tom, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I completely agree, David!

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Why do people keep saying Ryan Adams releases scads of new albums? He only has one new album out.

Sean, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Joke regarding thread to release 5 new ones breathlessly recounted in Y(I think) Uncut (but it might have been Mojo).

Tom, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dave, Alex etc - I don't think people here would care one way or the other if there wasn't really interesting writing they enjoyed within Uncut that gets buried under the combination of uncriticial, repetitive alt.country coverage and plain bad writing. I was interested in alt.country but Uncut has completely turned me off it. No-one wants to buy a magazine full of press releases just to get to the one interesting review in the middle.

(anyone notice how Uncut gives out more five star reviews than any other major magazine? I initially approved of this, but then I realised that something like 80% of them are bestowed upon alt-country releases)

Tim, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i've given the alt.cnt. stuff a listen and it's not to my taste. it's like early issues of Q if you substitute a/c for 80s poprock.

rockist = waiting for ex-MM journos to deliver the good shit like in the old days.

, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"rockist = waiting for ex-MM journos to deliver the good shit like in the old days."

I'm certainly not waiting around for that to happen. Everything has it's time and place. However, some younger writers should be brought in to change and mix up the agenda a bit.

David Gunnip, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No, Sean, do post some more on this thread. Also - alex in mainhattan, where are you?
Thanks Jeff, I am just back from a hiking holiday in La Palma, Canary Islands. I do not read any music magazines anymore and do not really know about Uncut but I love some Americana though I am not so sure what Americana really is. Is Giant Sand Americana? Probably not as they mix Americana with rock, indie and jazz. Ryan Adams first album sounds to me like Bob Dylan in his vintage years. It is excellent songwriting but I would not call it alt-country or Americana. Pinback's first album is another favourite of mine. Americana? Would Steve Wynn's Dream Syndicate have qualified for Americana? Are Yo La Tengo Americana? The definition of this genre is very unclear but if all the bands mentioned belong to it it can never be overestimated.

alex in mainhattan, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

alt cnt there's a u missing aint there. like all the people that listen to it. fucking hippy shit. should talk about proper music on these boards. if i want cuntry music i go on sydney devine website for silver-haired grannies.

XStatic Peace, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The point that's being missed here is that Jones can put whatever he wants in Uncut because it exists almost entirely because of him: the rumour used to go round was he had been at IPC so long it was literally cheaper for them to give him a new magazine than make him redundant. Unlike say, the NME, which has an institutional status that makes it fair game, I think that complaining about Uncut's editorial policy is like complaining about a fanzine's.

Mark Morris, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ryan Adams=Not really alt country so much as just "country".

Lambchop, Calexico, Jim White=Alt country.

Ronan, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Mark: Obviously though if it *were* an alt.country fanzine everyone could know to avoid it (or read it if they really want to). Instead it's just diverse enough to drag you in and then annoy you with the skewed coverage. It's about the goods not matching the rhetoric and press releases.

That last part seems to be the same basic problem a lot of people have with Careless Talk Costs Lives, and Pitchfork for that matter.

Tim, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ryan Adams=Not really alt country so much as just "country".
No way Ronan. Ryan has digested his country but he has also had some folk, some rockabilly, some indiepop with some other condiments. Ryan is definitely transcending the narrow world of country a lot. Bruce Springsteen is probably more country than Ryan Adams.

alex in mainhattan, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I know but what I'm saying is that the influence is a country one. er my head is messed up today but to summarise, Lambchop and the like have taken country and fucked around with the formula a bit whereas Ryan Adams is just country influenced. Hence him not being alternative country as such.

Ronan, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Two or three years back - when the pile of critically-lauded but deeply mediocre Americana albums was but a fraction of its current size - the idea that alt.country was the Next Big Thing didn't look quite so loopy as it does now. "Uncut" with its first "New Sounds" compilation could claim the glory of being the publication most identified with the new hip. Readers were buying the idea, and opposition hacks clambering aboard the bandwagon - kudos and circulation boosts would follow. Flash forward a couple of years and "Uncut" is in deep denial, unable to face the horror of it all having been a cruel mirage.

ArfArf, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Two or three years back - when the pile of critically-lauded but deeply mediocre Americana albums was but a fraction of its current size - the idea that alt.country was the Next Big Thing didn't look quite so loopy as it does now.
this is dead on.
I think it's the desperation of realizing that the hoped-for Next Big Thing has come and gone and nobody cared that leads crits to their greatest sins of hyberbole.
Is the current americana crit boom comparable to the electronica crit boom a few years back?

fritz, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ryan adams = VH1 pop. gag.

Samantha, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Fritz: Well, no, because "electronica" was about being close to a decade behind on the eight-ball, whereas "americana" is about making an eight-ball up on the spot.

Tim, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

three weeks pass...
I note that Uncut's album of the month this month is "Original Pirate Material" by the Streets.

Then of course one sees who the reviewer is (clue: S.R.) and you realise that without him on the payroll Uncut would be even more dismal.

Terry Shannon, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

According to my March edition of Uncut - Lambchop is album of the month. [Have you been corresponding with SR? and Do you mean the April edition of Uncut? i.e on sale March 7th.]

DJ Martian, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think Mr Shannon is getting a specially prepared edition cos Allan Jones is scared of him. Meanwhile for the rest of us it's the same old same old. Lambchop not being Album of Month in Uncut = End of World.

Tom, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah you're right DJM, SR told me but was one month ahead of his time.

Yes, Lambchop - five stars from David Stubbs! Sigh.

I liked "Nixon" a lot and am sure that Kurt W is a perfectly decent chap but the extent to which he is unduly lionised to fulfill fake agendas unfortunately makes me want to punch him in the gob for reasons which are wholly not his fault. Such is the way of humanity...

Marcello Carlin, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Just briefly reading through this thread it appears as though the disdain for Americana, alt.country blah blah is a result of it being shoved down your throats by the music press (specifically Uncut; so it’s the new Mojo, why do you all care? You have Freaky Trigger, ILM, what the fucks the problem). However, an unwillingness to meet the music on its own terms seems unfair (such prejudice has seen much vitriolic drivel spewed over The Strokes and The White stripes merely because of the hype machine).

What is the relevance of A.C? Well, what is the relevance of any music? Can we define relevant? “A.C is but a mere re-hash of Gram’s Cosmic American Music, the Buffalo Springfield, Poco… All that Sixties nudie-suit chic injected with a tincture of punk attitude… Country music within rock structures.” So we have had it all before?

I’m not going to bore you with my “Heartbreaker is one of the finest records of the last ten years” schtick. Or the Lambchop are sonic innovators of the MBVth degree schtick. The Handsome Family are the Beatles of folk music routine. The Lift To Experience have created one of the most wonderfully textured, inventive and over-spilling with ideas rock records since Loveless blah blah. The Hamell On Trial as one-man walking, waking, aching punk riot! Etc etc… Not to mention Cat Power, Palace Brothers, Smog.

There is a variety and depth of invention and scope that is breathing new life splurge into rock music. Who cares about rock music? Well, I’m never going to convince you…

Nick Tarlton, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've liked recent Uncut's just fine, I don't like every writer in it, but its always delivered enough reading entertainment to justify the cover price. I probably would stop buying it if it gave further prominence to writers I don't rate as interesting or informative - like Reynolds.

Alexander Blair, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

an unwillingness to meet the music on its own terms seems unfair

I have no problem with meeting music on its own terms. I have plenty of problems with the attitude that one specific/perceived strand is The Way, The Truth and the Light in general -- and the louder this is shouted, the more ridiculous it seems in the cold light of day. Got no problems with what you like -- and I like a fair amount of it myself -- but I'm not lighting candles to notions of either the supposed virtues of 'authenticity' or the need for some sort of roots kowtowing to validate the experience.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What Ned said. It used to be a much broader magazine than it is now. It's not that "Americana" is bad per se, it just that reading recen uncuts U'd think it's all there was.

Norman Phay, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Nick Tarlton is the man.

bnw, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Like Nick two/three posts above I don't really understand what everyone has against the big coverage of alt.country in Uncut. Maybe alt.country is the most important style of rock music today. Ten years ago grunge and shoegazer were the thing. Later on it was this bloody britpop crap. Then there was emo. Alt-c. is not worse than those. If I think about my favourite albums of the last two years they are mainly alt-c. And this is not only because I like music with earthen roots. Nixon, Chore of Enchantment, Heartbreaker, Solitary Man, Aerocalexico and the latest Fink album were masterpieces and there were only very few albums which could match those. And there was definitely no other single style of music which was as fertile as alt-c in that time.

alex in mainhattan, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"And there was definitely no other single style of music which was as fertile as alt-c in that time."

Oh how I beg to differ.

At any rate, I don't think many of the people complaining about Uncut here hate alt.country. It's no different to the broader bafflement that met Melody Maker's sudden conversion to being a nu-metal magazine in the dark days before the end. No, actually there *is* one difference: by following the kids (in a somewhat half-arsed manner I'll grant you - Slipknot but not So Solid Crew?) MM were at least attempting to fill their brief, whereas Uncut markets itself to the mature musical dilletante and then disappoints with its tunnel vision focus on alt.country.

Tim, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one year passes...
revive

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 9 June 2003 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

They seem to have gone a little easy on the alt.country recently.

Their circulation has just gone up again.

Are these two events related?

James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 07:31 (twenty-two years ago)


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