I guess these crisis albums aren't always the artist's best albums, but it seems so more often than not. Here are a few examples examples... that aren't Miles Davis:
Sly & Family Stone - There's a Riot Goin' On [drugs]Stevie Wonder - Innervisions [drugs]David Bowie - Station to Station/Low [drugs]Bob Dylan - Blood on the Tracks [divorce]Fleetwood Mac - Rumours [divorce]Caetano Veloso - S/T 1971 [exile]John Lennon - Plastic Ono Band [post-Beatles, drugs]Tom Waits - Bone Machine [not sure, but definitely some raw shit]Big Star - Third [like, eighty things]
I guess this is pretty obvious and it's probably been discussed at length on some other threads, but why are these so compelling?
And now for the real reason I started this thread: What are some other albums in this vein that I'm missing out on (especially for Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash, Elvis and some other raw/grimy country and folk music)? Gratzi.
― poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 4 April 2005 05:53 (twenty years ago)
― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Monday, 4 April 2005 06:01 (twenty years ago)
― poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 4 April 2005 06:20 (twenty years ago)
― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Monday, 4 April 2005 06:23 (twenty years ago)
― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Monday, 4 April 2005 06:26 (twenty years ago)
hahaha
Along that line, I also should point out that the kind of albums I'm talking about can't be produced by groups whose entire mien is drug abuse, no matter how good (Spacemen 3) or bad (Libertines) they are. I'll shut up. You guys know what I'm talking about... They have to be aberrations.
― poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 4 April 2005 06:37 (twenty years ago)
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 4 April 2005 06:40 (twenty years ago)
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 4 April 2005 06:41 (twenty years ago)
― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 4 April 2005 07:09 (twenty years ago)
Busted.
(I'll check later)
p.s. I guess Busted won't be doing that song with Ronnie Wood then?
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 4 April 2005 07:28 (twenty years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 4 April 2005 07:29 (twenty years ago)
The album he recorded post-smack, Crying Time, is one of his best.
Anyway, RC was a hideous alkie post-H so the theory still doesn't hold.
Ray was capable of producing great music right until the end--I watched him do it a few years back--but he'd lost his instincts and on some level he ceased to care. Can a pile of China White bring that back? I think it has more to do with the weariness of age more than anything.
― ldg, Monday, 4 April 2005 07:48 (twenty years ago)
POST SMACKEROO GREAT RAY CHARLES
Let's Go Get Stoned (I believe this was recorded post-H, pretty funny)No use CryingGoin' Down SlowI Don't Need No DoctorJust A Girl I Used to Know (yes, the George Jones song)Somebody Ought to Write A Book About ItShe's Funny That WayHow Deep is the OceanLove Walked InI'll Be Seeing YouGee Baby Ain't I Good to YouNever Say NawWhen I Stop DreamingI'll be Your ServantI Didn't Know What Time It WasWe Can Make ItRing of Fire (yep, and totally bizarre)My First Night Alone Without YouJust A Man
OK, that's into the early seventies. I can go on.
― ldg, Monday, 4 April 2005 07:57 (twenty years ago)
― kidsonholiday, Monday, 4 April 2005 08:32 (twenty years ago)
― JoB (JoB), Monday, 4 April 2005 09:40 (twenty years ago)
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 4 April 2005 09:51 (twenty years ago)
― nathalie doing a soft foot shuffle (stevie nixed), Monday, 4 April 2005 10:05 (twenty years ago)
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 4 April 2005 10:24 (twenty years ago)
― nathalie doing a soft foot shuffle (stevie nixed), Monday, 4 April 2005 10:33 (twenty years ago)
― John Fredland (jfredland), Monday, 4 April 2005 10:38 (twenty years ago)
These are my faves:
Joni Mitchell - BlueTV Personalities - The Painted WordBeck - Sea Change
― Jack Battery-Pack (Jack Battery-Pack), Monday, 4 April 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)
― poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 4 April 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)
― Mark (MarkR), Monday, 4 April 2005 12:42 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 4 April 2005 12:45 (twenty years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 4 April 2005 13:37 (twenty years ago)
OTM. I also think that the stories surrounding great albums always tend to take on legendary proportions, so whatever the artist was going through at the time tends to get exaggerated. If they make an album that's unusually dark or emotional, then fans tend to think they must have been going through some incredibly difficult period in their lives, and it since it contributes to the mythos of the work that rumor tends to spread. No one ever thinks that maybe they just decided they wanted to make a darker album.
― o. nate (onate), Monday, 4 April 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)
― Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Monday, 4 April 2005 13:53 (twenty years ago)
In general, I like these "wasted" albums (Tonight's The Night, Sister Lovers, etc) but sometimes I wonder if the overall feel of them is more calculated than we think. Neil Young has lawys said that the recording of Tonight's The Night was consciously an attempt to get "out on the edge", ie just wasted enough to truly understand the junkie outlook. That album's definitely out there (drunk, high, depressed) but it's definitely that way on purpose.
also worth considering--a lot of these albums might have artists who are out of it, but they usually have someone (a producer most likely) who's managing things. Like Jim Dickinson on Sister Lovers--he may be as much responsible for the overall feel of the record. He egged Chilton on, but also was able to stand back and shape the record in a way that Chilton himself (in his wasted state) probably couldn't. Same deal with david briggs and neil young, perhaps.
― tylerw, Monday, 4 April 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 4 April 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)
― Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Monday, 4 April 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)
I guess Bobby Womack was pretty coked-out during "Safety Zone" recording, it's a pretty confused and manic record I enjoy.
Spence's "Oar"--did he have access to any drugs in Nashville, or did he bring them down with him on his motorcycle? Or was he clean, and that's why it's so fucked-up sounding?
The Sun artists were all on speed, I suppose, and Roscoe Gordon, whose RPM sides I've been enjoying recently, sounds like he was drunk. Ace Cannon, on the Hi Records single "Drunk," sounds as if he might've been tippling a bit.
I've been into this '76 Elvis recording of "Hurt" too, and he sounds completely out of his head--it's one of his best recordings.
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 4 April 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)
― mike a, Monday, 4 April 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)
*really*?? isn't 'too high' anti-drugs?
― piscesboy, Monday, 4 April 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 4 April 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)
― John 2, Monday, 4 April 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)
I think the final word on Shoot the Lights Out is that the songs were written some years before the album was recorded, but they were splitting up during the actual recording of the album, so there's some noticeable tension. The nature off all their songs didn't really help either haha
― poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 4 April 2005 23:12 (twenty years ago)
― Sym Sym (sym), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 00:21 (twenty years ago)
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 01:12 (twenty years ago)
You're right about the post-'65 stuff; the albums he did for Atlantic between 1977 and 1980 are mostly great. Fave track: "Oh, What a Beautiful Morning."
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 07:51 (twenty years ago)
― Lyra Jane (Lyra Jane), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)
No, "I'll Be Your Servant" never on CD. The boxed set missed a lot of the highlights from the ABC years, what else is new.
I have everything he cut for ABC and there's a lot of great stuff not on CD.
Another killer-diller: "Something's Wrong," a single I believe written by Percy Mayfield.
Slow, creepy, bone-chilling.
― ldg, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)