Aren't albums recorded during heavy drug use, exile, divorce and mid-life crisis usually damn good listens?

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I've noticed that when I'm approaching a new artist and going through the brief allmusic or amazon descriptions about their albums, I always look for and ultimately check out the album notoriously recorded in, "a narcotic haze," or while their marriage and life were, "in shambles." I hope this isn't rockism, but I consistently avoid their best-sellers and albums/compilations with "all their greatest hits." I want to hear the tracks with producers and soundmen screaming in the background! I want to hear the tracks recorded in separate studios because the artists couldn't stand each other! I want to hear the tracks where they have to prop up the vocalist because he's so pilled out of his mind he can't even speak! And I want the original recording REMASTERED!!!

I guess these crisis albums aren't always the artist's best albums, but it seems so more often than not. Here are a few examples examples... that aren't Miles Davis:

Sly & Family Stone - There's a Riot Goin' On [drugs]
Stevie Wonder - Innervisions [drugs]
David Bowie - Station to Station/Low [drugs]
Bob Dylan - Blood on the Tracks [divorce]
Fleetwood Mac - Rumours [divorce]
Caetano Veloso - S/T 1971 [exile]
John Lennon - Plastic Ono Band [post-Beatles, drugs]
Tom Waits - Bone Machine [not sure, but definitely some raw shit]
Big Star - Third [like, eighty things]

I guess this is pretty obvious and it's probably been discussed at length on some other threads, but why are these so compelling?

And now for the real reason I started this thread: What are some other albums in this vein that I'm missing out on (especially for Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash, Elvis and some other raw/grimy country and folk music)? Gratzi.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 4 April 2005 05:53 (twenty years ago)

Yeah I totally agree. Choas and decadence almost always spawns great art. Sad, but true.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Monday, 4 April 2005 06:01 (twenty years ago)

Of course, then you have to consider all of the albums recorded by deracinated grass widow junkies we've never heard... and, you know, how terrible they were.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 4 April 2005 06:20 (twenty years ago)

Well, yeah. The thing is , you have to have SOME semblance of talent and creativity for drugs to really 'expand your mind' in that regard. It's not like you can do a few tabs of acid and then pound out a masterpiece like Stattion to Station. Lot's of people seem to have that misconception.. a few friends of mine always 'get high' before writing tunes.. :-\

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Monday, 4 April 2005 06:23 (twenty years ago)

They suck, needless to say.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Monday, 4 April 2005 06:26 (twenty years ago)

They suck, needless to say.

hahaha

Along that line, I also should point out that the kind of albums I'm talking about can't be produced by groups whose entire mien is drug abuse, no matter how good (Spacemen 3) or bad (Libertines) they are. I'll shut up. You guys know what I'm talking about... They have to be aberrations.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 4 April 2005 06:37 (twenty years ago)

I was thinking this, kind of, while watching Ray. The movie makes a big deal out of building up to his eventually Choosing Life or whatever, but it sort of neglects to mention that he recorded all of his great music -- the stuff he coasted off for the rest of his life -- while he was being a junkie asshole.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 4 April 2005 06:40 (twenty years ago)

Or I guess the movie does make that clear, in a way. But at the end, it has this whole "he went on to become a beloved entertainer the world over" as if that hadn't already happened before he kicked the dope. Can anybody even name a Ray Charles song post-1965?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 4 April 2005 06:41 (twenty years ago)

I don't think Bone Machine was recorded in the middle of a crisis. As far as I know it was Waits at his most settled-down. I think.

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 4 April 2005 07:09 (twenty years ago)

A Ray Charles song post-1965?

Busted.

(I'll check later)

p.s. I guess Busted won't be doing that song with Ronnie Wood then?

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 4 April 2005 07:28 (twenty years ago)

Damn. Oct 1963. As you were...

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 4 April 2005 07:29 (twenty years ago)

Ray Charles Invites You to Listen. One of his best, I believe it was 68. Falsetto singing on How Deep Is The Ocean? Love Walked In, etc. Eerie stuff, and some of his best most extreme singing EVER.

The album he recorded post-smack, Crying Time, is one of his best.

Anyway, RC was a hideous alkie post-H so the theory still doesn't hold.

Ray was capable of producing great music right until the end--I watched him do it a few years back--but he'd lost his instincts and on some level he ceased to care. Can a pile of China White bring that back? I think it has more to do with the weariness of age more than anything.

ldg, Monday, 4 April 2005 07:48 (twenty years ago)

the above statements really irritated me, so...

POST SMACKEROO GREAT RAY CHARLES

Let's Go Get Stoned (I believe this was recorded post-H, pretty funny)
No use Crying
Goin' Down Slow
I Don't Need No Doctor
Just A Girl I Used to Know (yes, the George Jones song)
Somebody Ought to Write A Book About It
She's Funny That Way
How Deep is the Ocean
Love Walked In
I'll Be Seeing You
Gee Baby Ain't I Good to You
Never Say Naw
When I Stop Dreaming
I'll be Your Servant
I Didn't Know What Time It Was
We Can Make It
Ring of Fire (yep, and totally bizarre)
My First Night Alone Without You
Just A Man

OK, that's into the early seventies. I can go on.

ldg, Monday, 4 April 2005 07:57 (twenty years ago)

you're forgetting all the lameness ian mackaye was responsible for after he stopped doing all that blow.

kidsonholiday, Monday, 4 April 2005 08:32 (twenty years ago)

Don't forget Marvin Gaye's tremendous Here, My Dear [divorce], the profits of which went to his ex-wife - by court order!

JoB (JoB), Monday, 4 April 2005 09:40 (twenty years ago)

But LISTENING to these albums while you're undergoing heavy drug use, exile, divorce and/or mid-life crisis is not recommended.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 4 April 2005 09:51 (twenty years ago)

Richard & Linda Thompson - Shoot out the lights (a theory debunked by the classic records made during happiness and bliss)

nathalie doing a soft foot shuffle (stevie nixed), Monday, 4 April 2005 10:05 (twenty years ago)

I'm not convinced that there's that much correlation. People tend to remember the good albums because they're good, whilst the shit gets forgotten about.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 4 April 2005 10:24 (twenty years ago)

i think it's a silly theory: as if exile, divorce et al will give you talent to produce a classic/excellent record. you need insight/talent to express mysery (and happiness).

nathalie doing a soft foot shuffle (stevie nixed), Monday, 4 April 2005 10:33 (twenty years ago)

Did Ray Charles ever attempt a new wave song?

John Fredland (jfredland), Monday, 4 April 2005 10:38 (twenty years ago)

I was thinking about this the other day... records that are uncharacteristically dark when compared to the rest of a bands/artists output...

These are my faves:

Joni Mitchell - Blue
TV Personalities - The Painted Word
Beck - Sea Change

Jack Battery-Pack (Jack Battery-Pack), Monday, 4 April 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)

And Leonard Cohen's Songs of Love and Hate is pretty dark even for him..

poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 4 April 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

Aerosmoth: Done With Mirrors

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 4 April 2005 12:42 (twenty years ago)

Neil Young - On The Beach & Zuma (both of which were recorded, according to "Shakey," with the help of tequila and a mixture of high-quality weed and honey, fried on a skillet.)

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 4 April 2005 12:45 (twenty years ago)

Agree. However, albums recorded during heavy LSD use in 1967 or 1968 are often even better listens. Particularly if they were by UK acts.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 4 April 2005 13:37 (twenty years ago)

I'm not convinced that there's that much correlation. People tend to remember the good albums because they're good, whilst the shit gets forgotten about.

OTM. I also think that the stories surrounding great albums always tend to take on legendary proportions, so whatever the artist was going through at the time tends to get exaggerated. If they make an album that's unusually dark or emotional, then fans tend to think they must have been going through some incredibly difficult period in their lives, and it since it contributes to the mythos of the work that rumor tends to spread. No one ever thinks that maybe they just decided they wanted to make a darker album.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 4 April 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

I don't think 'Blue' is particularly darker than Joni's other albums.

Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Monday, 4 April 2005 13:53 (twenty years ago)

Bone Machine was definitely Waits' first truly "sober" album, though I believe he had somewhat cleaned up his act around the time of Swordfish Trombones. Which is interesting, if you think about it.

In general, I like these "wasted" albums (Tonight's The Night, Sister Lovers, etc) but sometimes I wonder if the overall feel of them is more calculated than we think. Neil Young has lawys said that the recording of Tonight's The Night was consciously an attempt to get "out on the edge", ie just wasted enough to truly understand the junkie outlook. That album's definitely out there (drunk, high, depressed) but it's definitely that way on purpose.

also worth considering--a lot of these albums might have artists who are out of it, but they usually have someone (a producer most likely) who's managing things. Like Jim Dickinson on Sister Lovers--he may be as much responsible for the overall feel of the record. He egged Chilton on, but also was able to stand back and shape the record in a way that Chilton himself (in his wasted state) probably couldn't. Same deal with david briggs and neil young, perhaps.

tylerw, Monday, 4 April 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

Every single New Order album up to and including "Republic."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 4 April 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

Conversely, there's a few great albums recorded during cleanup time: Lou Reed's "The Blue Mask" and "Legendary Hearts"; and John Lennon and Yoko Ono's "Double Fantasy" come to mind.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 4 April 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

or Nashville Skyline..

Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Monday, 4 April 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

I've always admired "Like Flies on Sherbert," another Chilton/Dickinson collab. The Beach Boys' "Love You" was recorded during that Landy period Brian Wilson went through, and it's my favorite of all the Beach Boys albums.

I guess Bobby Womack was pretty coked-out during "Safety Zone" recording, it's a pretty confused and manic record I enjoy.

Spence's "Oar"--did he have access to any drugs in Nashville, or did he bring them down with him on his motorcycle? Or was he clean, and that's why it's so fucked-up sounding?

The Sun artists were all on speed, I suppose, and Roscoe Gordon, whose RPM sides I've been enjoying recently, sounds like he was drunk. Ace Cannon, on the Hi Records single "Drunk," sounds as if he might've been tippling a bit.

I've been into this '76 Elvis recording of "Hurt" too, and he sounds completely out of his head--it's one of his best recordings.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 4 April 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

The Loud Family's Interbabe Concern gelled when Scott Miller was going through a divorce; his ex-wife took up and eventually married his producer (which may be one reason this CD is self-produced). As far as I know, no drugs were involved, though.

mike a, Monday, 4 April 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

Stevie Wonder - Innervisions [drugs]


*really*?? isn't 'too high' anti-drugs?

piscesboy, Monday, 4 April 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

I'm not convinced that there's that much correlation. People tend to remember the good albums because they're good, whilst the shit gets forgotten about.
Well, sure, albums like Rumours and Shoot Out the Lights were great albums made my people addled on drugs and going through messy divorces....but so was Oasis's Be Here Now.

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 4 April 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

I thought the Richard Thompson book made a big point of saying that the 'Shoot Out The Lights' stuff was written before the divorce, when, maybe you there was a sense of possible impending doom, but things weren't "messy" just yet. At least, that's what I remember being the gist of it.

John 2, Monday, 4 April 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

I always interpreted Bone Machine as his mid-life crisis album. A lot of the content is about death, masculinity, etc.

I think the final word on Shoot the Lights Out is that the songs were written some years before the album was recorded, but they were splitting up during the actual recording of the album, so there's some noticeable tension. The nature off all their songs didn't really help either haha

poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 4 April 2005 23:12 (twenty years ago)

exception to the rule: sea change

Sym Sym (sym), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 00:21 (twenty years ago)

I think the final word on Shoot the Lights Out is that the songs were written some years before the album was recorded, but they were splitting up during the actual recording of the album, so there's some noticeable tension. The nature off all their songs didn't really help either haha
Yeah! When it was written "Did She Fall or Was She Pushed?" was about Sandy Denny. When it was actually sung, it might've been about any woman who Richard Thompson might've been angry at, such as, I dunno, a wife or something.

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 01:12 (twenty years ago)

Davey, have you ever seen "I'll Be Your Servant" on CD? I'm amazed you know this; I've never seen it mentioned anywhere, and I've always assumed it was never on an album. (I had the 45 when I was a kid.)

You're right about the post-'65 stuff; the albums he did for Atlantic between 1977 and 1980 are mostly great. Fave track: "Oh, What a Beautiful Morning."

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 07:51 (twenty years ago)

I love the theory and I want it to be true, but I'm not sure it is. I think that for every artist who is pushed to greatness by drugs/divorce, there's somone else who puts out the same crap as always in those circumstances, and someone else who makes a good or great album while relatively happy and sober.

Lyra Jane (Lyra Jane), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

My Dear Rickey,

No, "I'll Be Your Servant" never on CD. The boxed set missed a lot of the highlights from the ABC years, what else is new.

I have everything he cut for ABC and there's a lot of great stuff not on CD.

Another killer-diller: "Something's Wrong," a single I believe written by Percy Mayfield.

Slow, creepy, bone-chilling.

ldg, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)


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