Which song was the death rattle of the 1990s?

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Scanty Sandwich- Because of You

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

decadist

― The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

Stereophonics - (any single)

― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

American Analog Set--"The Wait" (on The Golden Band (1999)--

It's not worth it
You just don't try
Through the 90s
We just got by

(or "buy," who knows, as in "buy all these indie rock albums, slacker suckers"))

― deep threat, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

We need to stop Google indexing NOW - Schwip Schwap

― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)

Creed - Higher

― Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

explain question more thoroughly, please.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

That fucking awful cover of "You Should Be Dancing" by Brandon Block was a Sign On The Wall if ever there was one.

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 16:06 (twenty years ago)

Limp Bizkit - Nookie

― absolutego (ex machina), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

Eppy called it, lock thread

― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

so did jon williams!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

AFAIC, Marcy Playground's "Sex and Candy" killed any coolness grunge may have had.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

Wait, like "death rattle" in a "ok, we've finally hit rock bottom" sense, or "death rattle" in a "this song shows that the 90's are OVER, man, and there's something new on the block (which might also suck, but still)" way? Cos the Stereophonics, Limp Bizkit and Creed all feel very 00's to me, even if those songs still came out in the 90's.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 17:21 (twenty years ago)

the Spice Girls / Echo and the Bunnymen World Cup song

― A / F#m / Bm / D (Lynskey), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

Candlebox must've played it.

― blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

um, how about that all star song by Smash Mouth

or The world i know by collective soul

the chemicals between us by Bush

did any train songs come out in the 90s?

― JD from CDepot, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

Prince - "1999"

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

I'm not sure exactly what the question is asking, but if it's asking what I think it is, the answer is undoubtedly "Push" by Matchbox 20.

― billstevejim, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

"The Macarena"

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

Dude, Woodstock 99 = death knell of the 90s

― absolutego (ex machina), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

I agree with that: Woodstock 99 is pretty much the 90's equivalent of the "Gimme Shelter" Rolling Stones show at Altamont.

― billstevejim, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

I'll go with Woodstock 99 too. There was all kinds of dying going on beforehand, one can argue it was never even alive, but all the pretense was lost after that.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

it's also noteworthy that MTV, responsible for a lot of what we conceive of as "the nineties," completely shifted to a youth-whatever scene after Kurt Loder's perspective on Woodstock '99 was ditched a day after he voiced it.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

Good fucking question. The 00s haven't really started, culturally speaking.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

Woodstock '99's not a bad choice.

Other candidates (using the "90s are OVER" qualification):

Blink-182 - "All the Small Things" (w/ vid)
Destiny's Child - "Say My Name"
Limp Bizkit - "Nookie"
N Sync - "Pop"

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

Limp Bizket performing Break Stuff on national TV on Woodstock 99 was just embarassing for everyone.

― David Allen (David Allen), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:03 (twenty years ago)

I should followup to say that I don't even think "Push" is that bad of a song, but if there was ever a song that marked the beginning of the end of whatever it was that "the 90's" represented, "Push" was it - for rock at least.

Also "I Want It That Way" for top 40, "Freak On A Leash" for metal, and either "Back That Ass Up" or "My Name Is" for hiphop. The "90's R&B" death song is much harder to pinpoint I feel, because it was a much more gradual change from the smooth 90's sound to the much more abrasive 00's sound.

― billstevejim, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)

I think BSB was a part of the 90s, though--boy bands existed in some fashion for at least the last half of the decade.

"My Name Is" is a pretty good answer, though. "Push" isn't bad either, but also, that was sort of a part of the 90s, even though it more came to fruition (if you could call it that) in the 00s.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)

I think BSB was a part of the 90s, though--boy bands existed in some fashion for at least the last half of the decade.

Hm, I wasn't thinking about it that way, but good point. I was thinking more along the lines of "you might as well get ready, because this is how top 40 will sound for a long time." I mean, it's dead now, but the way top 40 sounded in the 90's was never the same afterwards. The random "alternative" top 40 hit along the lines of Chumbawamba or Marcy Playground was absent from top 40 from the time of "I Want It That Way" pretty much until 2004 (I guess unless you count stuff like Crazy Town or Hoobastank, which I don't).

I keep really wanting to say "Livin' La Vida Loca," but I'm not sure exactly whose death that song represents...

― billstevejim, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

"Boulevard Of Broken Dreams" implies that the nineties are not dead, rockwise.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

The random "alternative" top 40 hit along the lines of Chumbawamba or Marcy Playground was absent from top 40 from the time of "I Want It That Way" pretty much until 2004

Good point--there was still stuff like Gorillaz and Fatboy Slim here and there, but yeah, TRL-pop sort of was the death knell for random alternative hits like that.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

MTV... completely shifted to a youth-whatever scene after Kurt Loder's perspective on Woodstock '99 was ditched a day after he voiced it

Details please!

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

grunge died in 1994 -- remember candlebox? and silverchair = grunge in rigor mortis and stinking up the joint.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

The 00s haven't really started, culturally speaking.

OTM, sadly.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

just that when woodstock '99 ended they had a roundtable about "the aftermath" and Loder et al argued that it was disgusting and something had to be done, etc., and when they discovered their audience saw it as a big party and didn't share the standard P.C. take on it they shut their traps up fast and that was the end of that.

x-post re: details

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

Ha! I didn't know that!

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

haw haw baby boomer wanted there to be another altamont. the non-boomers were all like, "whatever!" and "great party!!"

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

yeah exactly. Loder said on air that the bizkit show was the most disgusting thing he'd ever seen (frankly I'd agree - for all the amusement the band gives me, their irresponsiblity at concerts in this era was reprehensible and arguably criminal) and Durst was on TV a LOT more than Loder in the years immediately after.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

grunge died in 1994
Correct, Candlebox and Silverchair marked the death of grunge, not the entire decade.

The 00s haven't really started, culturally speaking.
More than any other band, most people I would say associate The Beatles with the 60's, who didn't really blow up until 1964. More than any other musical movement, I would say most people associate psychadelia with the 60's, which only lasted only 4 years. So I'm not worried. Similarly, disco only lasted 5 years, and grunge only 3. And gangsta rap 5 or 6 years, I think.

― billstevejim, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

the fires and riot type stuff didn't really bother me that much at Woodstock 99...I mean, read articles on that show and the promoters were gouging people for water and basically treating the audience with no respect...

...however, the rapes that happened were really fucking disturbing and very lord of the flies....did the crowd at the MTV thing laugh those off too? that would freak me out....

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

there was no actually crowd of kids at the MTV roundtable, just the news folk. It was just that the kids didn't want to be chastised for liking stuff that seemed regressive and neanderthal compared to The Great Vedder. And MTV relented.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

and as far as the rapes go - what the kids aren't reminded about the kids won't remember. Plus, unlike Altamont, there were corporate sponsors who still wanted to sell the 2CD comp and t-shirts.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

the funny thing is though....Loder will probably still be on MTV after Durst takes his final appearance....dude has a deal with the devil (or pix of a viacom exec in a compromising situation with a hooker)

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

It was just that the kids didn't want to be chastised for liking stuff that seemed regressive and neanderthal compared to The Great Vedder.

shrugging off the Great Vedder = the kids really ARE alright!

grunge died in 1994

exactly. unfortunately, its corpse got all bloated and stunk up the joint all pope pius-stylee, and radio listeners for the next few years where like those poor swiss guards who had to stand by the steaming pile of meat (and could barely stop from passing out).

nu-metal, of course, was at least partly the zombie of the grunge corpse.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

gangsta rap is still going, i believe most refer to it as plain old rap, you know that "rap crap" your mom speaks of.

― jmeister (jmeister), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

is Loder still around? I haven't seen him in ages. I thought John Norris has replaced him as petrified-corpse-in-residence (with just a touch of botox).

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

I mean Loder represents the idea that there's context and history to all the shit we deal with. Norris, on the other hand...

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

Loder's on MTVU these days, if nothing else.

To think of the # of VJs John Norris has outlived on MTV--it's truly mind-boggling.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

and as far as the rapes go - what the kids aren't reminded about the kids won't remember. Plus, unlike Altamont, there were corporate sponsors who still wanted to sell the 2CD comp and t-shirts.

Clearly someone needs to make a Gimme Shelter about Woodstock '99 already.

Loder and John Norris are still dragged out for the VMA's every year. It seems to be the only thing they're used for, besides the occasional "MTV News" segment, usually when someone dies, IE John Norris was used for ODB's obituary piece.

― billstevejim, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

a planet where John Norris represents dignity???

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

John Norris was used for ODB's obituary piece.

He said one of ODB's best-known songs was "Got My Money". I wanted to punch the TV.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:21 (twenty years ago)

Hm.. I don't remember that.. All I remember about it is that awesome clip of ODB and Busta in straightjackets.

― billstevejim, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

is Loder still around? I haven't seen him in ages. I thought John Norris has replaced him as petrified-corpse-in-residence (with just a touch of botox).

yeah I saw a news update last month....

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

"Clearly someone needs to make a Gimme Shelter about Woodstock '99 already."

Fox actually aired a 2-hour (w/ads) Woodstock 99 special shortly after the event. The last chunk covered the riots, but it wasn't as Damning as it could (and should) have been.

― Doobie Keebler (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

gah, twice now i have written then scrapped posts to this thread.

― Sven Basted (blueski), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

I think I saw John Norris last week on one of the digital cable channles -- MTV2, maybe, or MTV Hits (the best place, sadly, for actual recent music videos lately, since MTV2 is now showing MTV rejects and reruns).

And as for the death rattle for the '90's ... no idea. I almost want to say "You've Got No Right" from the Nirvana greatest hits CD.

― Lyra Jane (Lyra Jane), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

"Live Forever"

And I consider what that song did a positive thing.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 01:39 (twenty years ago)

"Clearly someone needs to make a Gimme Shelter about Woodstock '99 already."

My Generation

― a banana (alanbanana), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

Limp Bizkit - Nookie

-- absolutego (j()nathan.william$@geeMaleDotCom), April 5th, 2005.

tha was the first thing i thought of too! \m/

― latebloomer: strawman knockdowner (latebloomer), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

I've always thought Harvey Danger's "Flagpole Sitta" works well at summing up the '90s in the smarmiest way possible to ensue that no more songs like it would appear on the charts for several years. And indeed, it was one of the last big alt-rock hits before nu-metal took over modern rock radio ("Flagpole Sitta" was spring/summer '98, "Got the Life" was that fall).

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 16:06 (twenty years ago)

The 00s haven't really started, culturally speaking.

OTM, sadly.

-- Mr. Snrub (mistersnru...), April 5th, 2005.

you haven't been paying attention!

ipods, file-sharing, livejournal, blogs, etc. this shit might've been around in some form in the 90's, but they haven't been cultural forces until the 00's.

and 10 year-old kids were NOT dressing like this in 1999:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v160/cyanidesmile/0319168.jpg

― latebloomer: strawman knockdowner (latebloomer), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

The 00s started for real with Pink and Avril Lavigne breaking through in 2002. The impact of those two on the kids' musical taste has been considerably larger that one would expect at the time.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

For a sense of how scary Woodstock 99 was (I wasn’t there myself), search Harper’s Magazine’s very long, disturbing take on the event.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

Mike O. OTM on “Flagpole Sitta,” oh my God.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

Do you mean this, Raymond?

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1111/is_1794_299/ai_57155719/print

(Does HTML work on here?)

― Lyra Jane (Lyra Jane), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

The guy in the San Diego Padres cap standing next to me screams, "Show us your tits!" His face is turning red with the effort. He is screaming himself hoarse. "Show us your tits!"

yikes

― latebloomer: strawman knockdowner (latebloomer), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

That’s it, Lyra Jane. Thanks!

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

"Smooth" (Santana "featuring" Rob Thomas).

― ffirehorse, Wednesday, 6 April 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

Interesting theory, but I'd like to see it explained further.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

My Generation seems to be a start, but not exactly the equivalent of Gimme Shelter I was hoping for.. One user commenter states that the rape and violence are barely addressed in My Generation, and that most of it has to do with cultural change and financial statistics.

― billstevejim, Thursday, 7 April 2005 06:25 (twenty years ago)

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