the point re the design is a little rich though ..
>>> ARTROCKER 164 EDITORIAL
― mark e (mark e), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)
try again :
It seems to me we haven't had a good go at the NME for a while, let's putthat right. I have a copy here, I bought it, but only for research purposes. I didn'thave any trouble picking one up, it's Thursday and the newsagent had 10copies; "How many do you get?" I asked, "Ten" came the mournful reply, "Notvery popular then?" "Well there are a couple of 10 year olds who always askfor it but the rest usually get sent back to the distributor. It's strangebecause I can remember people, people like you, turning up at the shop firstthing on a Wednesday morning to get their copy. And if we were sold outthey'd get really upset. What happened?"
We know what happened don't we Artrockers, IPC recruited a man who'sknowledge of rock and roll is only equalled by my knowledge of Grime. Hedeclared his intention of turning it into Pop Heat for kiddie-winkies andthat's exactly what he's done. So there is NO music journalism of any worthanywhere within it's gaudy, messy, appallingly designed format (it seems tohave been designed to ape the worst of web-sites, all pop up boxes andflashing colours making the whole thing feel bitty, messy and irrelevant)and those remaining NME journo's who actually do give a shit can only behanging on to their jobs by keeping their gobs shut.
This week they're flaunting their middle class - suburban rich kidfascination with that wank in the fields called Glastonbury. That's right,'plum in the mouth' socialist Micheal Eavis is, of course, all over thething with his revolting daughter ("all the gals in my dorm just adoredEmbrace don't you know"). He's one of those true socialists who's childrenare too important to go to a state school - darling.
Let's be absolutely clear about this, Glastonbury is a temporary walled citythat allows Henry and Henrietta to take their first E in controlledconditions and is handily positioned near mummy and daddy's country home sothe little darlings can wander off if it bally well rains. Glastonbury is asmuch about music as the NME, the perfect partnership then.
But when you decide that you're going to completely change the demographicof a magazine there will be a price to pay. An example has come to myattention this very week. Rumour has it, and its a very strong rumour, thatthe embarrassingly bad club nme (it doesn't deserve upper case) at Koko(definitely the worst venue name I've ever heard) is being chucked out onits ear to be replaced by a far more successful (not difficult) club night(no names - no pack drill). Why? Well - for the simple reason that nobody inthey're right mind went to it. Why not? Because, whatever else the NME isit's cool factor went up in smoke the day the present editor took the chair.Add to this the fact that, as my newsagent informed me, the target audiencewould appear to be 8 to 18 - this is not a demographic that spends a greatdeal of time at late-night clubs. It was always going to be a disaster,moving it from Wednesday to Friday was a waste of everybody's time.I'm sure the provincial club nme's will continue with some sort of success,after all the NME reeks of provincialism and the kids in shit-ville UK havevirtually zero choice, so good luck to them. But as far as London isconcerned the best thing they could do would be to 'just forget it' - NMEhas become the definition of un-cool, nobody over 16 would ever admit toreading it, their friends would laugh at them.
Tom Artrocker
― mark e (mark e), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)
― DJ Mencap0))), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:22 (twenty years ago)
He says this like it's a bad thing! It's NME's saving grace!
― elwisty (elwisty), Thursday, 7 April 2005 22:19 (twenty years ago)
― Rock Chimp, Friday, 8 April 2005 09:57 (twenty years ago)
― Dadrock, Meshach and Abednego (Dada), Friday, 8 April 2005 10:01 (twenty years ago)
Is Tom Artrocker that guy who went on that anti-immigration rant a while ago?
― Alba (Alba), Friday, 8 April 2005 10:10 (twenty years ago)
Off by at least five years, in my opinion. The rest of you would probably say even longer.
― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Friday, 8 April 2005 11:32 (twenty years ago)
― Lavell Crump, Friday, 8 April 2005 11:33 (twenty years ago)
I admit I'm speaking from a position of (slight) bias here, but it does seem a bit much like sour grapes. If it means so much to him why not pour all that energy into making Art Rocker the best it can be? And if Art Rocker is really the Future Of Music Writing why the need to go on the attack? I honestly don't think there is a massive amount of difference between the two publications (although I would say NME def. has better writing, but then again I would, they also have a bigger budget and all that entails). Art Rocker - decent night to see new bands, even if the quality is slightly pick and mix, diverting fanzine - why the bitterness?
― Anna (Anna), Friday, 8 April 2005 11:38 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 8 April 2005 11:53 (twenty years ago)
Artrocker = narrow range of trad songs rock music, a fanzine for 18-24 year olds who like going to rock music gigs. Low readership, insular, rather limited, no cultural power.
There is a chasm between the fickle teenagers NME and rather rockist conformist 40 + conventional critics canon of Uncut.
Q is now mainstream 20s.
I will say it again there is market for a weekly diverse radical agenda setting music magazine aimed at 20s/ 30s, plus the smarter teenagers and those over 40 still interested in new music. A monthly publication cannot set agenda. Enough people would welcome a weekly reading fix.
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 8 April 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)
Billie Holiday! The Savoy Label! Jazz! C81! C86! Stax! Volt! King Sunny Ade!
It's hard to imagine the current NME even caring.It's hard to imagine the current NME readership even caring.
― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 8 April 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 8 April 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)
Squarepusher! Captain Beefheart! Oxide and Neutrino! Max Tundra!Jobriath! Coldplay!
All given away in the last 5 years...
― elwisty (elwisty), Friday, 8 April 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)
anna OTM.
― cozen (Cozen), Friday, 8 April 2005 22:44 (twenty years ago)
was what I meant... I think.
― elwisty (elwisty), Friday, 8 April 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)
It already exists, or they already exist. The one for those interested in non-melodic avant garde stuff is called The Wire, the one for those still interested in checking out new stuff, although preferrably in a more traditional genre or style, is called Mojo.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 8 April 2005 22:49 (twenty years ago)
But isn't the market, certaintly from a prospective advertisers perspective, far to fragmented to make such a venture viable?
― elwisty (elwisty), Friday, 8 April 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 8 April 2005 23:06 (twenty years ago)
Also The Wire doesn't particularly cover these genres in detail, for example: avant jazz, dark/ extreme metal, avant progressive rock, ambient/ space music.
My idea of a weekly publication is a combination of The Wire, Terrorizer, Jockey Slut, Muzik, XLR8R, Knowledge, Jazzwise, Expose, Side-Line, Grooves and Melody Maker [Pre Mark Sutherland era] and Sounds.
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 8 April 2005 23:12 (twenty years ago)
― elwisty (elwisty), Saturday, 9 April 2005 00:22 (twenty years ago)
With all those dance/R&B oriented mags, it sounds to me more like a mag for 20-year-olds and teens rather than a mag for people in their 30s or 40s.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 9 April 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 9 April 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)
would that that were the case geir. unfortunately all those 20 yr olds and teens just like listening to dull worthy rock bands. or something
― ambrose (ambrose), Saturday, 9 April 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)
Terrorizer = Extreme Metal Jockey Slut, Muzik, XLR8R = House/ Techno/ Breaks etc Knowledge = drum n bass/ jungleJazzwise = jazzExpose = avant rock / avant progressive rock / avant jazz / post rock etcSide-Line = industrial/ darkwave/ ebm/ futurepop Grooves = abstract electronic music: IDM/ experimental electronics/ minimal house / leftfield hip hop / detroit techno / ambient etcand Melody Maker [Pre Mark Sutherland era] and Sounds = a diverse mixture of music
NONE of them deal with RnB ! The only dance music magazine mentioned above that deals with multi dance genres that still is published is XLR8R, and that is American. [Obviously Jockey Slut / Muzik are no longer published]
XLR8R readers are mostly in their 20s/ early 30s.
Geir, once again remains clueless.
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Saturday, 9 April 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 9 April 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 9 April 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)
A LISTNanci Griffith with Jimmy Buffett - I Love This TownNatasha Bedingfield - I Bruise EasilyMaroon 5 - Must Get OutAthlete - Half Light*NEW* Bruce Springsteen - Devils & DustDr John feat. Randy Newman - I Ate Up The Apple TreeElton John -Turn The Lights Out When You Leave Destiny's Child - GirlRazorlight - Somewhere Else
B LISTSteve Edwards - One By OneHal - Play The HitsWire Daisies - Everyman*NEW* Nerina Pallot - ALBUM: FiresThe Bees - Chicken Payback*NEW* Lucie Silvas - The Game Is Won*NEW* Idlewild - I Understand It*NEW* Natalie Imbruglia - ALBUM: Counting Down The DaysMichael Bublé - HomeMelanie C - Next Best Superstar
C LIST*NEW* Weezer - Beverley HillsBeverley Knight - Keep This Fire BurningKaiser Chiefs - You Can Have It AllBen Lee - Catch My DiseaseThe Tears - Refugees Lemar - Time To Grow Jem - ALBUM: Finally WokenKylie - Giving You Up*NEW* Jonatha Brooke - ALBUM: Back In The CircusCaesars - Jerk It OutTony Christie - ALBUM: Tony Christie Definitive Collection*NEW* New Order - ALBUM: Waiting For The Sirens' CallRobert Plant and The Strange Sensation - Shine It All AroundThe stiX feat. Corinne Bailey Rae - Young & Foolish
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 9 April 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)
None of them deal with classic rock acts or Travis/Coldplay/Keane either, which is basically what people over 30 are into.
I am pretty sure that Radio 2's listeners were not particularly amused by them playing Destiny's Child btw.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 9 April 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Saturday, 9 April 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)
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― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 9 April 2005 20:42 (twenty years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 9 April 2005 20:42 (twenty years ago)
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― stelfox, Saturday, 9 April 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)
this is what extremely fashionable people in their late 20s/30s listen to in east london!
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