Tom Artrocker vs NME (part 652)

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somethings got under Toms skin again ..

the point re the design is a little rich though ..


>>> ARTROCKER 164 EDITORIAL

mark e (mark e), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

grrr. it all disappeared ..

try again :

It seems to me we haven't had a good go at the NME for a while, let's put
that right.
I have a copy here, I bought it, but only for research purposes. I didn't
have any trouble picking one up, it's Thursday and the newsagent had 10
copies; "How many do you get?" I asked, "Ten" came the mournful reply, "Not
very popular then?" "Well there are a couple of 10 year olds who always ask
for it but the rest usually get sent back to the distributor. It's strange
because I can remember people, people like you, turning up at the shop first
thing on a Wednesday morning to get their copy. And if we were sold out
they'd get really upset. What happened?"

We know what happened don't we Artrockers, IPC recruited a man who's
knowledge of rock and roll is only equalled by my knowledge of Grime. He
declared his intention of turning it into Pop Heat for kiddie-winkies and
that's exactly what he's done. So there is NO music journalism of any worth
anywhere within it's gaudy, messy, appallingly designed format (it seems to
have been designed to ape the worst of web-sites, all pop up boxes and
flashing colours making the whole thing feel bitty, messy and irrelevant)
and those remaining NME journo's who actually do give a shit can only be
hanging on to their jobs by keeping their gobs shut.

This week they're flaunting their middle class - suburban rich kid
fascination with that wank in the fields called Glastonbury. That's right,
'plum in the mouth' socialist Micheal Eavis is, of course, all over the
thing with his revolting daughter ("all the gals in my dorm just adored
Embrace don't you know"). He's one of those true socialists who's children
are too important to go to a state school - darling.

Let's be absolutely clear about this, Glastonbury is a temporary walled city
that allows Henry and Henrietta to take their first E in controlled
conditions and is handily positioned near mummy and daddy's country home so
the little darlings can wander off if it bally well rains. Glastonbury is as
much about music as the NME, the perfect partnership then.

But when you decide that you're going to completely change the demographic
of a magazine there will be a price to pay. An example has come to my
attention this very week. Rumour has it, and its a very strong rumour, that
the embarrassingly bad club nme (it doesn't deserve upper case) at Koko
(definitely the worst venue name I've ever heard) is being chucked out on
its ear to be replaced by a far more successful (not difficult) club night
(no names - no pack drill). Why? Well - for the simple reason that nobody in
they're right mind went to it. Why not? Because, whatever else the NME is
it's cool factor went up in smoke the day the present editor took the chair.
Add to this the fact that, as my newsagent informed me, the target audience
would appear to be 8 to 18 - this is not a demographic that spends a great
deal of time at late-night clubs. It was always going to be a disaster,
moving it from Wednesday to Friday was a waste of everybody's time.
I'm sure the provincial club nme's will continue with some sort of success,
after all the NME reeks of provincialism and the kids in shit-ville UK have
virtually zero choice, so good luck to them. But as far as London is
concerned the best thing they could do would be to 'just forget it' - NME
has become the definition of un-cool, nobody over 16 would ever admit to
reading it, their friends would laugh at them.

Tom Artrocker

mark e (mark e), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

What with every single physician in the UK healing themselves right now, you have to fear for our nation's health

DJ Mencap0))), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:22 (twenty years ago)

after all the NME reeks of provincialism

He says this like it's a bad thing! It's NME's saving grace!

elwisty (elwisty), Thursday, 7 April 2005 22:19 (twenty years ago)

What's a 'plum in the mouth' socialist?

Rock Chimp, Friday, 8 April 2005 09:57 (twenty years ago)

Someone who can't afford a silver spoon

Dadrock, Meshach and Abednego (Dada), Friday, 8 April 2005 10:01 (twenty years ago)

It mainly refers to Paul Weller.

Is Tom Artrocker that guy who went on that anti-immigration rant a while ago?

Alba (Alba), Friday, 8 April 2005 10:10 (twenty years ago)

Because, whatever else the NME is
it's cool factor went up in smoke the day the present editor took the chair.

Off by at least five years, in my opinion. The rest of you would probably say even longer.

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Friday, 8 April 2005 11:32 (twenty years ago)

That's a remarkably conversation-friendly newsagent he's got there.

Lavell Crump, Friday, 8 April 2005 11:33 (twenty years ago)

Yes, that would be him. (re. immigration rants)

I admit I'm speaking from a position of (slight) bias here, but it does seem a bit much like sour grapes. If it means so much to him why not pour all that energy into making Art Rocker the best it can be? And if Art Rocker is really the Future Of Music Writing why the need to go on the attack? I honestly don't think there is a massive amount of difference between the two publications (although I would say NME def. has better writing, but then again I would, they also have a bigger budget and all that entails). Art Rocker - decent night to see new bands, even if the quality is slightly pick and mix, diverting fanzine - why the bitterness?

Anna (Anna), Friday, 8 April 2005 11:38 (twenty years ago)

every new generation feels obliged to kill the king

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 8 April 2005 11:53 (twenty years ago)

NME = staid mainstream mag for teenagers, patronizing in tone offering the equivalent of a biased and revised sub GSCE music history lecture to a set age group. New bands, a small selection of artists cherry picked and hyped each year. Reached the stage of a guitar music Smash Hits i.e it's blatantly targeted at a set age group.

Artrocker = narrow range of trad songs rock music, a fanzine for 18-24 year olds who like going to rock music gigs. Low readership, insular, rather limited, no cultural power.

There is a chasm between the fickle teenagers NME and rather rockist conformist 40 + conventional critics canon of Uncut.

Q is now mainstream 20s.

I will say it again there is market for a weekly diverse radical agenda setting music magazine aimed at 20s/ 30s, plus the smarter teenagers and those over 40 still interested in new music. A monthly publication cannot set agenda. Enough people would welcome a weekly reading fix.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 8 April 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)

I was going through my loft and found a load of those NME Cassettes you had to send off for (i.e. buy).

Billie Holiday! The Savoy Label! Jazz! C81! C86! Stax! Volt! King Sunny Ade!

It's hard to imagine the current NME even caring.
It's hard to imagine the current NME readership even caring.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 8 April 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)

Yes, well, that was before all those readers (and most of the relevant writers) crossed over to The Wire...

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 8 April 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)

I was going through my CD rack and found a load of those NME CDs you got free.

Squarepusher! Captain Beefheart! Oxide and Neutrino! Max Tundra!Jobriath! Coldplay!

All given away in the last 5 years...

elwisty (elwisty), Friday, 8 April 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)

the writing in both these magazines is awful.

anna OTM.

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 8 April 2005 22:44 (twenty years ago)

I was going through my CD rack and found a load of those NME CDs you got free on the cover.

was what I meant... I think.

elwisty (elwisty), Friday, 8 April 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

I will say it again there is market for a weekly diverse radical agenda setting music magazine aimed at 20s/ 30s, plus the smarter teenagers and those over 40 still interested in new music

It already exists, or they already exist. The one for those interested in non-melodic avant garde stuff is called The Wire, the one for those still interested in checking out new stuff, although preferrably in a more traditional genre or style, is called Mojo.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 8 April 2005 22:49 (twenty years ago)

I think the fellow said weekly not monthly which believe both those titles are.

But isn't the market, certaintly from a prospective advertisers perspective, far to fragmented to make such a venture viable?

elwisty (elwisty), Friday, 8 April 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

I doubt there would be a market for many more weekly mags. May even be a question of time before NME is no more too.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 8 April 2005 23:06 (twenty years ago)

Geir, yes I know about The Wire I have been reading it for over a decade ! and mention it every month of my blog. The Wire is monthly ! I am after a weekly publication.

Also The Wire doesn't particularly cover these genres in detail, for example: avant jazz, dark/ extreme metal, avant progressive rock, ambient/ space music.

My idea of a weekly publication is a combination of The Wire, Terrorizer, Jockey Slut, Muzik, XLR8R, Knowledge, Jazzwise, Expose, Side-Line, Grooves and Melody Maker [Pre Mark Sutherland era] and Sounds.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 8 April 2005 23:12 (twenty years ago)

You don't like the Kaiser Chiefs then?

elwisty (elwisty), Saturday, 9 April 2005 00:22 (twenty years ago)

My idea of a weekly publication is a combination of The Wire, Terrorizer, Jockey Slut, Muzik, XLR8R, Knowledge, Jazzwise, Expose, Side-Line, Grooves and Melody Maker [Pre Mark Sutherland era] and Sounds.

With all those dance/R&B oriented mags, it sounds to me more like a mag for 20-year-olds and teens rather than a mag for people in their 30s or 40s.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 9 April 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

People under 20 don't listen to dance music any more, fool.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 9 April 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

xpost

would that that were the case geir. unfortunately all those 20 yr olds and teens just like listening to dull worthy rock bands. or something

ambrose (ambrose), Saturday, 9 April 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

The Wire, I have dealt with.

Terrorizer = Extreme Metal
Jockey Slut, Muzik, XLR8R = House/ Techno/ Breaks etc
Knowledge = drum n bass/ jungle
Jazzwise = jazz
Expose = avant rock / avant progressive rock / avant jazz / post rock etc
Side-Line = industrial/ darkwave/ ebm/ futurepop
Grooves = abstract electronic music: IDM/ experimental electronics/ minimal house / leftfield hip hop / detroit techno / ambient etc
and Melody Maker [Pre Mark Sutherland era] and Sounds = a diverse mixture of music

NONE of them deal with RnB ! The only dance music magazine mentioned above that deals with multi dance genres that still is published is XLR8R, and that is American. [Obviously Jockey Slut / Muzik are no longer published]

XLR8R readers are mostly in their 20s/ early 30s.

Geir, once again remains clueless.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Saturday, 9 April 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, people over 30 listen to Keane, Travis and Coldplay (in Europe) or Dave Matthews Band, Hootie & The Blowfish and Nickelback (in America) rather than dance or hip-hop.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 9 April 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

YOU CAN'T ARGUE WITH FACTS

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 9 April 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

Radio 2 Playlist week commencing 11 April 2005

A LIST
Nanci Griffith with Jimmy Buffett - I Love This Town
Natasha Bedingfield - I Bruise Easily
Maroon 5 - Must Get Out
Athlete - Half Light
*NEW* Bruce Springsteen - Devils & Dust
Dr John feat. Randy Newman - I Ate Up The Apple Tree
Elton John -Turn The Lights Out When You Leave
Destiny's Child - Girl
Razorlight - Somewhere Else


B LIST
Steve Edwards - One By One
Hal - Play The Hits
Wire Daisies - Everyman
*NEW* Nerina Pallot - ALBUM: Fires
The Bees - Chicken Payback
*NEW* Lucie Silvas - The Game Is Won
*NEW* Idlewild - I Understand It
*NEW* Natalie Imbruglia - ALBUM: Counting Down The Days
Michael Bublé - Home
Melanie C - Next Best Superstar

C LIST
*NEW* Weezer - Beverley Hills
Beverley Knight - Keep This Fire Burning
Kaiser Chiefs - You Can Have It All
Ben Lee - Catch My Disease
The Tears - Refugees
Lemar - Time To Grow
Jem - ALBUM: Finally Woken
Kylie - Giving You Up
*NEW* Jonatha Brooke - ALBUM: Back In The Circus
Caesars - Jerk It Out
Tony Christie - ALBUM: Tony Christie Definitive Collection
*NEW* New Order - ALBUM: Waiting For The Sirens' Call
Robert Plant and The Strange Sensation - Shine It All Around
The stiX feat. Corinne Bailey Rae - Young & Foolish

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 9 April 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

NONE of them deal with RnB !

None of them deal with classic rock acts or Travis/Coldplay/Keane either, which is basically what people over 30 are into.

I am pretty sure that Radio 2's listeners were not particularly amused by them playing Destiny's Child btw.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 9 April 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

Geir, my magazine would NOT be aimed at mainstream rock fans - there are enough awful magazines catering for fans of that sort of music: Q, Word [in the UK], and Rolling Stone and Tracks [USA]

DJ Martian (djmartian), Saturday, 9 April 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

Mainstream rock fans in their 30s don't at all check out bands that are formed after 1990. Those who are into Travis, Coldplay and Keane are neither mainstream nor extremely underground, they are somewhere in-between.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 9 April 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

That is, mainstream rock fans in their 30s still listen to Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, Journey, Reo Speedwagon, Bruce Springsteen, Bob Seger etc. etc.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 9 April 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

http://www.madonna-store.com/galleries/QSE-Cover.jpg

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 9 April 2005 20:42 (twenty years ago)

http://sirensandsailors.com/q.jpg

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 9 April 2005 20:42 (twenty years ago)

Q is a magazine mainly aimed at people in their 20s.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 9 April 2005 20:42 (twenty years ago)

http://www.lehtiapaja.fi/kannet/q.jpg

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 9 April 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

Q is a magazine mainly aimed at people in their 20s.

http://www.trader.pl/images/pl/big_images/ford_mondeo_3.jpg

The Mondeo LX ensures that attractive style can be attained at a highly affordable price. Its feature list includes electrically operated front windows, new manual air conditioning, remote central locking, and, of course, Ford’s Intelligent Protection System (IPS). New features include cruise control an improved 6000 CD/radio and a multifunction trip computer.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 9 April 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

One of those teenybopper popstars the kids are all into, yesterday.

http://www.blackmailmag.com/images/MUSICA/Joss-Stone.jpg

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 9 April 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

i find it really odd that tom artrocker would say that provincialism was a bad trait when his political writing is straight outta the the smalltown shires. i'll agree nme is pretty bad, but as anna says why would that matter is his publication really was reinventing or bearing the standard of rockwriting in the uk. this is a pretty pointless thread though, just because we all know what to expect of artrocker and nme. it's been done. and geir i'm 31, british and, accoding to itunes, have listened to a grime mix, a few zouk tracks, one algerian rai album, a chunk of jamaican dancehall, half of one of dave godin's deep soul albums and am now playing a southern smoke hip-hop mix, so am i just the sole exception that proves the categoric rule?

stelfox, Saturday, 9 April 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

http://www.fordmondeoownersclub.co.uk/

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 9 April 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

should have said "the daily mail-reading smalltown shires" before anyone from the provinces goes berserk with me... and, of course, after today i will be going back to my usual musical diet of travis and keane.

stelfox, Saturday, 9 April 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

That is, mainstream rock fans in their 30s still listen to Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, Journey, Reo Speedwagon, Bruce Springsteen, Bob Seger etc. etc.

this is what extremely fashionable people in their late 20s/30s listen to in east london!

stelfox, Saturday, 9 April 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

It's a vision.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 9 April 2005 21:13 (twenty years ago)


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