Bo Diddley is an Essay Topic

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I'm majoring in history at school in Chicago. In one of my classes I get to write a research paper on any topic I like, the only catch being that I have to use only (or almost only) primary source material. Since I live right here in the windy city, I thought it altogether fitting and proper to devote my studies to my hero, Mr. Diddley.

Can anyone suggest an angle I could work? For instance, why does everyone know Chuck Berry and Little Richard while Bo is largely unknown by the public at large? I need some specific question like that to investigate, rather than do straight-up bio. I searched ilm, but people only seem to mention Bo in a)lists b)those mile-long feud-threads where there's rancor and stuff.

I thank you all and anxiously await whatever pearls of wisdom or empty beer cans you may toss my way.

Heidy- Ho, Saturday, 9 April 2005 04:18 (twenty years ago)

start with robert palmer's liner notes to the chess box

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 9 April 2005 04:41 (twenty years ago)

Chuck Berry and Little Richard surely both had a lot more chart success.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 9 April 2005 04:45 (twenty years ago)

xpost I bought the box for my friend's birthday and then burned the discs, neglecting the notes. I wrangle 'em up. Also, Robert Palmer as in the dude on VH1?

Heidy- Ho, Saturday, 9 April 2005 04:46 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, but what accounts for their greater chart success? Diddley and Berry were both black men who played guitar, and Little Richard and Bo were about equally raunchy.

Heidy- Ho, Saturday, 9 April 2005 04:48 (twenty years ago)

Bo was more street.

You totally need to buy and read this--

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0140062238/qid=1113025711/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/103-4204839-3895845

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 9 April 2005 04:50 (twenty years ago)

yeah chuck berry and little richard bother had considerably more chart success though i think bo diddley was the first rocker to appear on ed sullivan (i might be wrong about this).

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 9 April 2005 04:52 (twenty years ago)

If you want to write an academic essay about Bo, the obvious tack is to talk about the history of that rhythm -- the Hambone, the hand jive, its African roots, etc. And also the history of "the dozens", signifyin', etc. (as manifested in Bo and Jerome's banter)

http://music.msn.com/album/default.aspx?album=40850046

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0394723694/103-4204839-3895845?v=glance

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000002IVR/qid=1113026689/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/103-4204839-3895845

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/019506075X/qid=1113026967/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/103-4204839-3895845

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 9 April 2005 05:09 (twenty years ago)

see Bo's incendiary performance in the TNT Show.

and on Ed Sullivan.

and on Shindig!

All MUSTS for the Bo Diddley Experience.

rumple, Saturday, 9 April 2005 05:27 (twenty years ago)

Stormy, thanks for links and advice. I've heard people talk about the African roots, but I've never actually read or heard examples to back that up. How similar are the West African rhythms to what Bo's doing? Does the Signifying book talk about that? I wondered if people were just saying that the Bo beat was African the way they said that Jazz was jungle music.

I am admittedly light on my delta knowledge, but I'm not familiar with other blues artists who are as dependent on percussion/rhythm as Bo is. If there is a direct link from Africa through early American slavery to Bo Diddley, there must be other examples of that sort of beat in the American south.

Heidy- Ho, Saturday, 9 April 2005 05:49 (twenty years ago)

no, I haven't even read Gates's book! I mean, it might be helpful, it might not. I'm not sure. I was just trying to give you some ideas, some pointers, etc. whatevs. I don't know how in-depth your paper is supposed to be, or how in-depth you *want* it to be, but obviously there are huge tangents you could go off on relating to Bo Diddley's work. Because yeah, his stuff is one of the real strong examples of the african diaspora in the new world. It all depends how far you want to go with the paper I guess. I did read old R.F.'s book Flash of the Spirit back in college, it's really good, also fairly short and not that tough of a slog (as far as academic books go.) So maybe at least check out that one. Your prof would probably dig the reference anyway, I don't know. Is this just an undergrad college course paper? I mean they're just pedagogical exercises anyway. the prof just wants to make sure you doing a bit of reading. So have fun with it! Take it wherever you want to.

That beat was totally an african-american thing tho, not Bo's own creation. Here is a track from that Sounds of the South thing that I linked to above. just a random woman doing the hambone that Alan Lomax recorded back in 1959. I mean, not an earth-shaking listen or anything, but it gives some context to what Bo was doing. He was just kind of taking this african-american oral playground tradition and putting THE BADDEST GUITAR SOUND IN THE HISTORY OF MAN behind it.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 9 April 2005 06:20 (twenty years ago)

Baddest guitar sound ever, amen. Also, that hambone link is great -- it's Bo Diddley acapella.

The paper is going to be a twenty page undergrad thing. Since it's for a history class, I have to cover Bo in a way that points out his relevance to society in general. What he did was incredibly important to the purely musical aspect of rock and roll. What about the rock culture? Is there anyone besides Gene Vincent who was as much of a badass? Was there any musician before him who had the swagger? Like he could rock the guitar and then rock your skull?

Is Bo Diddley the first Rock and Roll badass? Even if Bill Hailey, Little Richard, Chuck Berry, and Buddy Holly joined forces in a tag-team match, Bo Diddley would kill them.

Is there anything to that, or am I just making stuff up? And, yeah, Chuck might have learned some moves in the joint, but Bo was a boxer.

Heidy- Ho, Saturday, 9 April 2005 08:13 (twenty years ago)

xpost Rumple, where do you get the old TV performances?

Heidy- Ho, Saturday, 9 April 2005 08:15 (twenty years ago)

Bo's in the Phil Spector film, '65, "The Big TNT Show."

The Diddley rhythm is basically clave played as if it were a beat, and not (as it actually is) a way to organize music. So it has a strong relationship to Cuba. The whole thing about "African" influence on American music is something to be taken with a huge grain of salt--Cuba is where a lot of the stuff that went into early rock and roll actually originated (and yeah, Cuban music obviously used African influences).

Bo Diddley was far more limited than Berry, Presley or many of the other rock and roll guys of the '50s. Basically the same thing played over and over. That's part of the reason he wasn't as big--he didn't really have any songs, pretty basic shit. I love Bo Diddley, though. As far as being a wild man, certainly someone like Wynonie Harris was pretty crazy. The early rockabillies were pretty nuts, too. So I dunno, saying Bo was more a badass than many another early rocker, I'm not sure that's something you'd wanna say without some strong evidence. Howlin' Wolf was pretty badass; many of the Delta blues guys, ditto...Skip James was a borderline psycopath or at least a sociopath, reputed to have killed at least one person.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 9 April 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

Is Bo Diddley the first Rock and Roll badass? Even if Bill Hailey, Little Richard, Chuck Berry, and Buddy Holly joined forces in a tag-team match, Bo Diddley would kill them.

On record, he's way more badass than the other four. He makes neckties out of cobras ("Who Do You Love"), The Law is afraid of fucking with him ("Bo Diddley is a Gunslinger"), and when he's done with all that, he'll chill with you in the streets and insult your black ass ("Say Man").

IRL, it's a different story though (like edd said).

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 9 April 2005 20:46 (twenty years ago)

i saw some footage of late 60s bo diddley (i think, it was a while ago) on tv, and it was pretty incendiary. i guess it was at some festival or other.

is his music from this period worth checking out?

charltonlido (gareth), Saturday, 9 April 2005 21:06 (twenty years ago)

You know, it seems as if Bo was playing a character his whole career. It's like Ellas McDaniel wrote a song about a Stack-O-Lee-esque character named Bo Diddley and liked it so much that he decided to perform AS Bo Diddley.

Maybe I could trace the history of the badass figure in early American music up to its incorporation into rock and roll, with an emphasis on Herr Didmeister.

Heidy- Ho, Saturday, 9 April 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

Random notes:

I have an aircheck of Alan Freed playing "Bo Diddley" when it was new and remarking that the song was a hundred years old -- and that "this guy calls himself Bo Diddley." Pretty cool.

Bo may or may not be a badass in the Stagger Lee sense, but wasn't he actually a sheriff or something for a while? He reminds me of my grandfather, who took no mess.

An editor of mine once took Bo on a tour of pawnshops in Richmond, Va., in the mid-'80s.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 9 April 2005 23:55 (twenty years ago)

There are also a couple of great books on Chess Records and its history.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 9 April 2005 23:56 (twenty years ago)

Also, the "no songs" thing . . . dunno about that. Bo had tons of wit, humor, shaggy-dog stories. The stuff *didn't* all sound the same, certainly no more than Johnny Cash's did.

And sure, he never charted higher than Number 20 pop (with "Say Man"), but the 1996 edition of the Whitburn/Billboard R&B singles book lists him at No. 330 in all-time charters. "Bo Diddley"/"I'm a Man" spent two weeks at No. 1 R&B.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Sunday, 10 April 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)

Heidi-ho,

Bo Diddley is an Essay Topic.
No, Bo Diddley is a gunslinger.

I remember when a friend got the local record store to carry the Bo's albums. The record store at first refused, saying they carried pop music and show tunes only (this is the late fifties now in a small and very white town). And then a few weeks later suddenly all his albums were there, staring down from the rack one next to the other, one by one, and he had a lot of them even by then! Bo beeming down, with him smiling and cradling his oblong electric guitar!

Say ... what was the name of that masked man? The young guitar freak fighting for truth, justice, and the American Way and the fairness of play? (I could tell you, but you might not believe me! But I'll give you a trivia clue: He went on to record a song that brought back memories of those yesteryears to me, called "Pay Bo Diddley".)

Ha, have fun with your topic, that's what I always say!
Hey, share your paper with us once it's done!

bflaska, Sunday, 10 April 2005 00:16 (twenty years ago)

I've heard lots of good bands accused of only having one song that they do over and over. Hell, sometimes (I'm looking at you, Ramones) it might be true. Still, even Bo's more successful contemporaries were ponies of few tricks; Chuck Berry (whom I also love) plays a Chuck Berry intro followed by a Chuck Berry boogie and just changes the words and the key.

Anyway, I think I'm moving away from the compare/contrast or 'why doesn't Bo get his due' theses toward a discussion of the larger-than-life outlaw hero in popular song, and how Bo and other rockers adopted the persona of the songs' protagonists. Does that sound even vaguely coherent?

I have a working knowledge of folk song tough guys, but I'll have to do some research to find out whether or not I'm full of shit.

Heidy- Ho, Sunday, 10 April 2005 01:33 (twenty years ago)

That's a bit reductionist with regard to Chuck Berry's songwriting.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 10 April 2005 01:35 (twenty years ago)

I know it's not that apt a description, but at least I gave Chuck credit for having A song. My respected friend upthread accused Bo of having NO songs, so I had to fight dirty.

Heidy- Ho, Sunday, 10 April 2005 01:41 (twenty years ago)

If you're going to talk about Bo Diddley, talk about clave. He popularized the American version of the 3/2 clave with that Bo Diddley beat. Comes straight from African music, Afro-Cuban, etc. through New Orleans. A ton of modern music is based on one bar and two bar claves (dancehall, salsa, New Orleans music, etc.).

Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 10 April 2005 01:43 (twenty years ago)

SO SO much of this is touched on in Palmer's liner essay, btw.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Sunday, 10 April 2005 01:49 (twenty years ago)

"is his music from this period worth checking out?"

Hell yeah, Gareth! It's some seriously fuzzed-out shit. It's great!

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 10 April 2005 01:57 (twenty years ago)

Hey Heidi, sounds better all the time!

There's a lot of stuff to be found on the internet about Bo, I'm sure you're aware. But in case you have fast connectivity, and time, it's like artistic interaction or something ... free flow of ideas and all that.

Here's one I just found that you might enjoy:

http://www.jzip.org/jzip/archives/000364.html

And the hambone -- killer!

bflaska, Sunday, 10 April 2005 02:10 (twenty years ago)

I finally got around to looking into clave: Holy shit. I'm about to get disillusioned here. You guys were right, Bo Diddley Beat = 3/2 clave. I am going to try my best to forget this new information, lest my blind devotion falter. Now someone is going to try to tell me that, despite my having it on good authority, Bo Diddley did not in fact put the rock in rock'n'roll.

Also, I will obtain the Palmer booklet STAT, and the Deep Blues book, too.

Heidy- ho, Sunday, 10 April 2005 03:06 (twenty years ago)

which one should i start with scott?

charltonlido (gareth), Sunday, 10 April 2005 03:16 (twenty years ago)

Hey Heidi,

Here's a really nice interview with Billy Boy Arnold touching on his early years with Bo Diddley ... and in setting the record straight for history, maybe a few more mythologies are shaken straight.

http://www.richieunterberger.com/arnold.html

bflaska, Sunday, 10 April 2005 03:25 (twenty years ago)

Will get right on the interview. Thanks a lot.

I just made my first connection between the badass song tradition and Bo -- "Cops and Robbers" borrows a line from the Cisco Houston song "Railroad Bill" about a .38 Special on a 44 frame (45 frame, same thing).

Heidy- Ho, Sunday, 10 April 2005 03:28 (twenty years ago)

yeah, but it was probably the big bill broonzy version that bo heard or was familiar with back then ,,, big bill was a mainstay everywhere in chicago ... i've heard he was among the first bluesmen recorded there ... WAY back!

bflaska, Sunday, 10 April 2005 03:38 (twenty years ago)

Since Saturday's all right for fighting,
so, heidi, you're on your way with this, i can tell ...


my last feeble connections on railroad bill and bad guys and such, just background

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/310981in.html

http://www.highbeam.com/library/doc0.asp?docid=1G1:107489230&dtype=0~0&dinst=&author=Mathews%2C%20Burgin&title=%22Looking%20for%20Railroad%20Bill%22%3A%20on%20the%20trail%20of%20an%20Alabama%20badman.%28Essay%29&date=09/22/2003&refid=ency_botnm

bflaska, Sunday, 10 April 2005 04:03 (twenty years ago)

Whoah, that last link suggests that Railroad Bill was a real-life gunslinger. Yeah, I think I have some pretty good raw material to work with: The history of violent crime and rock'n'roll (or blues, but I'll focus on the rock because I can pass that off as more relevant to a History prof). Now the trick is to not mess it all up. Will sleep on't. Thanks again, bflaska.

Heidy- Ho, Sunday, 10 April 2005 04:51 (twenty years ago)

xpost Diddley live performances:

The TNT show was cut up with the TAMI show and put on VHS as Born to Rock. Everybody talks about the TAMI show, which certainly is great, but the 1-2 punch of Ike and Tina/Bo Diddley on TNT is jaw-droppingly great. Bo's segment is so...raunchy. SO raunchy. So so so raunchy, albeit in a rather sophisticated way, haha. I do not want to elaborate as it is better just experienced. Nirvana.

On that note there is some stuff in the David Ritz Etta James book on Bo which claims Diddley shot a bunch of 8mm somewhat-porno featuring a number of our favorite R & B stars. I doubt that is on display in the R N R Hall of Fame.

The TNT show has been broadcast in recent years (in pristine shape) on cable outlets such as AMC.

The Ed Sullivan appearance is located on a few of those history of rock type numbers.

I do not believe the Shindigs have been released publicly, but I have 'em. Great Roadrunner, Can't Judge a Book by its Cover.

Don't bother seeing him live these days, that's for sure. He;'s like a bitter old Borscht belt comic who's decided to go "funk" with an out-of-tune guitar. Go see Link Wray instead (on tour in May). An original rocknroll badass who still delivers the goods even though he's 657 years old.

rumple, Sunday, 10 April 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

I hadn't heard about Link Wray -- I'm there for sure.

I saw Bo Diddley last year. He was the final act on this ten group doo-wop nostalgia tour. It seemed pretty degrading. He was sick and did his three songs -- Can't Judge a Book by it's Cover, Shut Up Woman, and Hey Bo Diddley -- sitting down. Even so, he will always stand seven feet tall and five feet wide in my heart.

Heidy- Ho, Sunday, 10 April 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

Get Ned Sublette's recent book, "Cuba and Its Music." It'll straighten out/explode assumptions you (and I, at one time) had about where lotsa stuff, including Bo's, came from. Since at least the days of Dizzy Gillespie, Afro-Cuba is the thing when it comes to American pop music, I think.

The performance by Bo and the Duchess in "TNT Show" is indeed amazing (as are the bits by Ray Charles, Ike and Tina, and, surprisingly, the Lovin' Spoonful).

When I say he didn't really have any songs--that's not a value judgement, or a putdown, not in the least. Bo's beyond "songs." Pretty fucking bedrock. "Pretty Thing" is certainly in my top echelon of recorded performances.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 10 April 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)

Does Chano Pozo get a mention in that book?

Ken L (Ken L), Sunday, 10 April 2005 22:19 (twenty years ago)


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