Jessica Hopper vs. Ryan Pitchfork FITE!!!

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There has been an altercation. Perhaps it is physical. Then again, maybe it is ideological. Point being, there is a MASSIVE TIFF between these two. I shudder to think of the long-term effects. Maybe Ryan will go all Gerard Cosloy on J.Hop's ass.

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 9 April 2005 06:28 (twenty years ago)

I saw it.
HOLLLLLLAAAAA!

― "Hard" Knox "Life" Robinson, Editor of The Fader "Magazine", Saturday, 9 April 2005 06:52 (twenty years ago)

war of the corny indie fuxor roses

― latebloomer: strawman knockdowner (latebloomer), Saturday, 9 April 2005 06:55 (twenty years ago)

― j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 9 April 2005 06:57 (twenty years ago)

OMG! Drama. This is bigger than the fight betwixt Flip and T.I.

― Lethal Dizzle (djdee2005), Saturday, 9 April 2005 06:59 (twenty years ago)

ha, did I miss something tonight?

(or aw I ruining the thread?)!!

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:00 (twenty years ago)

PL! How did it go? Unfortunately i couldn't make it.

― Lethal Dizzle (djdee2005), Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:01 (twenty years ago)

oops, "am"!

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:01 (twenty years ago)

um this is djdee btw

― Lethal Dizzle (djdee2005), Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:01 (twenty years ago)

Shine on you crazy diamond.

I saw it!

― "Hard" Knox "Life" Robinson, Editor of The Fader "Magazine", Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:02 (twenty years ago)

HOLLLLLLAAAAA!

― j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:04 (twenty years ago)

oh, it was great- I ended playing 80s dancehall early and grime later and dropped part of the soft pink truth lady sov remix as my half-ass attempt at cratedigging and everyone got on well ('cept perhaps jessica and ryan?? who, come to think of it, may have a bit of history).

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:04 (twenty years ago)

ummmm ... i may have been put up to this thread .... shhhhh.

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:06 (twenty years ago)

― j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:07 (twenty years ago)

Wait, you mean this thread isn't a drunken joke? Details?

xpost, haha, never mind!

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:07 (twenty years ago)

This is a brilliant thread in the making, i can tell.

― Lethal Dizzle (djdee2005), Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:07 (twenty years ago)

Jessica said she'd give me a dollar if I started it!!

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:08 (twenty years ago)

I mean, NO THIS SHIT IS FOR REAL. PUNCHES WERE THROWN.

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:08 (twenty years ago)

a dollar? man you have quite a hefty price there my friend.

― Lethal Dizzle (djdee2005), Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:08 (twenty years ago)

Hopper and me patched it up. All that hate was back in the 90s. The only altercation was between me and my feet, which for 5-10 excruciating minutes danced HORRIBLY against my will and better judgment. I gave them a solid beating in the taxi on the way home. Anyway, I don't hold grudges. There's almost nothing I won't forgive-- right, Ott?

― Ryan Pitchfork, Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:09 (twenty years ago)

Ryan! You danced fantastically!

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:10 (twenty years ago)

I made john spend a dollar to tip on a free round...eek. so he needed that back tonight

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:10 (twenty years ago)

I saw it! A slap is a slap!

Pull up the people!

― "Hard" Knox "Life" Robinson, Editor of The Fader "Magazine", Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:11 (twenty years ago)

ryan-- you never said goodnight *sniff*

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:11 (twenty years ago)

Neither of you said goodnight to me!

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:12 (twenty years ago)

Oh wait, Ryan did, never mind.

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:12 (twenty years ago)

Scott, you shoulda been easier to find. I said goodbye to like everybody. I'm sure I'll see you Monday!

― Ryan Pitchfork, Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:14 (twenty years ago)

oh, so I'm the bad guy now...I was in a conversation and next thing I knew everyone was gone-- you, ryan, julianne/jessica, all the other pfm writers and interns. It was me and kaskie and the fader and biz3 ppl and that was it.

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:15 (twenty years ago)

That was how you got the black eye.

― Lethal Dizzle (djdee2005), Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:16 (twenty years ago)

i assumed you left before me, scott!

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:17 (twenty years ago)

But the vision of that first fight still lingered under his eyelids, and as he watched he saw it dissolve and reshape into the series of fights which had followed. Six months later Cheese-Face (that was the boy) had whipped him again. But he had blacked Cheese-Face's eye that time. That was going some. He saw them all, fight after fight, himself always whipped and Cheese-Face exulting over him. But he had never run away. He felt strengthened by the memory of that. He had always stayed and taken his medicine. Cheese-Face had been a little fiend at fighting, and had never once shown mercy to him, with chants of RAWKAN! RAWKAN! But he had stayed! He had stayed with it!

― Lethal Dizzle (djdee2005), Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:18 (twenty years ago)

Sorry if i'm being confusing, that's jack london, i'm poking fun and i drank too much tonight. The party I went to was fun too :)

― Lethal Dizzle (djdee2005), Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:18 (twenty years ago)

Awright, that's about enough of that.

― Ryan Pitchfork, Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:19 (twenty years ago)

yeah, ok, i have to go to bed. i have to get up tomorrow and renew one driver's license.

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:21 (twenty years ago)

going out and then congregating on the internet to talk about it in the middle of the night - C/D?

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:22 (twenty years ago)

classique!

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:22 (twenty years ago)

Yeah I was thinking about that already. Maybe we shouldn't blow our cool too much, kids. Or is it too late? I think I'm off to bed as well...

― Ryan Pitchfork, Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:23 (twenty years ago)

hey man, i just started the thread ... you guys all MADE IT HAPPEN.

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:24 (twenty years ago)

Bump this shit.

Anyone gto the scoop on this?

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Saturday, 9 April 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

soft pink truth lady sov remix

Hey, that's when I walked in. Nice set Scott. The Girlz I was with said the grime was "interesting" but they enjoyed the '90s hip-hop and R&B the most.

― Raj Rajington, Saturday, 9 April 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

Andrew, did you actually read the thread?

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 9 April 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

I thought so. Seemed like a whole lot of "oh man wasn't it great" without much "this is what happened".

Could you paraphrase, perhaps? I'll owe you one.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Saturday, 9 April 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

Jessica said she'd give me a dollar if I started it!!

― Lethal Dizzle (djdee2005), Saturday, 9 April 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

aha.

When I read that for some reason I thought it mean "Jessica said she'd give me a dollar if I started the fight"

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Saturday, 9 April 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

no, this is all just a craven attempt to get in jessica's good graces.

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 9 April 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

soft pink truth lady sov remix

I need to get this from Drew!

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 9 April 2005 18:06 (twenty years ago)

disappointing, to say the least.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Saturday, 9 April 2005 18:06 (twenty years ago)

Chicago now seems but an in-joke to me.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 9 April 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

Don't worry, I'm lost too.

― n/a (Nick A.), Saturday, 9 April 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 9 April 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)

It's like the Hollywood Squares with 21 Bruce Vilanchs, shaved.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 9 April 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

Good god.

― Lethal Dizzle (djdee2005), Saturday, 9 April 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

Chicago now seems but an in-joke to me.

-- Ned Raggett (ne...), April 9th, 2005.

otm

― latebloomer: strawman knockdowner (latebloomer), Saturday, 9 April 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

you're just jealous

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 11 April 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

this is the first thing I've ever read that made me curious to live in Chicago, I have to say.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 11 April 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)

but then I remember Hopper and Ryan are both from Minneapolis and let it go

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 11 April 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

raj! I didn't know you were there! I wish I would have seen ya-- and you just missed "dollar sign," which had me wondering iif you'd made it out

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Monday, 11 April 2005 14:51 (twenty years ago)

ilm circle jerks are weak sauce

― Yejoon (Yejoon), Monday, 11 April 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

http://www.cumcoveredglasses.org/circle-jerk-boys/index_files/cjb4a_04a.gif

xpost lolz

― Open your eyes; you can fly! (ex machina), Monday, 11 April 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

Is Julianne ever in one city for more than five days?

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 11 April 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

Did anybody post anything here about that hiphop and feminism conference in Chicago that Julianne was at (as was Jessica)? Jessica's got a new item on her blog about the FITE, while Julianne has a little bit about the conference.

― steve-k, Monday, 11 April 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

I haven't heard anything apart from what Julianne and Jessica have posted on their blogs. It sounded awesome, though.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 11 April 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

Yeah I heard about this beef. Wont name names but an anonymous source from the p-fork camp said she impailed him in the spine with a railroad spike after he sliced her across the face with a bull whip.

― David Allen (David Allen), Monday, 11 April 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)

I will be posting extensive notes from the conf. on mi blog, but probably not til after EMP--also check the Chicago Reader next week. P.S. I have not left NYC since Thanksgiving!

also see: http://www.cantstopwontstop.com/blog/2005/04/chaos-at-source-benzino-returns-kim.cfm#comments

Jeff Chang, B.I.N.G.O.

― jshepherd, Monday, 11 April 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

"Anyway, I don't hold grudges. There's almost nothing I won't forgive-- right, Ott?"

I would most definitely disagree with this.

― Beta (abeta), Monday, 11 April 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

five years pass...

http://twitter.com/ryanpitchfork/status/17351528023

― ulillillia, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 18:21 (fifteen years ago)

sonned by ryanp4k in an indie rock Twitter beef

― ksh, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 18:24 (fifteen years ago)

c/p for those that can't see twitter atm?

― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 18:26 (fifteen years ago)

@ryanpitchfork Looked over contrib list for P4Ks new bro(ther) site--btwn the 15 sites, is there even 1 female regular contributor/editor?
about 1 hour ago via TweetDeck

jesshopp

@jesshopp emilie friedlander sound like a dude to you? she's the editor. i know its yr livelihood but plz stop making hysterical accusations
38 minutes ago via web

ryanpitchfork

@alteredzones @ryanpitchfork Excellent. Good to know you at least have one.
37 minutes ago via TweetDeck

jesshopp

― ksh, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 18:27 (fifteen years ago)

lol @ revive

― jaymc, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 18:31 (fifteen years ago)

well then

― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 18:31 (fifteen years ago)

lol @ dom lurking ilx & going to snipe at jess on twitter re: this

― the food has a top snake of 1 (ulillillia), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 18:45 (fifteen years ago)

emilie friedlander sound like a dude to you? she's the editor.

OK, I won't say anything bad about PF for the rest of the year, because anytime a light is shone on jesshopp's shit-stirring ignorance an angel gets its wings.

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 18:48 (fifteen years ago)

can't believe they hired the woman from fiery furnaces to edit their new website

― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 18:50 (fifteen years ago)

omg dom

― ksh, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 18:51 (fifteen years ago)

omg Twitter

― ksh, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 18:52 (fifteen years ago)

@currincy who are you again
3 minutes ago via TweetDeck in reply to currincy

gorillavsbear

― ksh, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 18:52 (fifteen years ago)

emilie friedlander sound like a dude to you?

Actually, yeah. Maybe from Switzerland or something.

― kkvgz, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 18:53 (fifteen years ago)

She is from Switzerland!

― the food has a top snake of 1 (ulillillia), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 19:03 (fifteen years ago)

ooh dom's on twitter? what's his twitter handle?

― it's detlef season, you schremps (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 19:08 (fifteen years ago)

btw thought this was gonna be about the breaking gorilla vs bear/whiney beef

― it's detlef season, you schremps (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 19:08 (fifteen years ago)

Grayson Currin scoring more points than Weingarten imo.

― the food has a top snake of 1 (ulillillia), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 19:11 (fifteen years ago)

btw thought this was gonna be about the breaking gorilla vs bear/whiney beef

Yeah, this is the potentially more exciting twitbeef.

― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 19:16 (fifteen years ago)

ooh dom's on twitter? what's his twitter handle?

― it's detlef season, you schremps (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, June 29, 2010 3:08 PM (16 minutes ago)

go to his blog, link's in the sidebar

― ksh, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 19:24 (fifteen years ago)

She is from Switzerland!

Well, there ya go.

― kkvgz, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 19:32 (fifteen years ago)

four years pass...

haha jessica hopper tweeted the other day about how she "mostly remember[s] the bum times of 2005," and my first thought was this thread.

― jaymc, Friday, 12 September 2014 05:46 (eleven years ago)

seven months pass...

The First Collection of Criticism by a Living Female Rock Critic Paperback– May 12, 2015

by Jessica Hopper(Author)

New book out and a book tour

― curmudgeon, Monday, 27 April 2015 16:18 (ten years ago)

no SF date <pouts>

― the most painstaking, humorless people in the world (lukas), Monday, 27 April 2015 16:25 (ten years ago)

http://featherproof-books.myshopify.com/blogs/news/19040803-jessica-hoppers-first-collection-book-tour

Monday, May 11 / Brooklyn
WORD @ 7:00pm
Reading, Q&A

Tuesday, May 12 / Chapel Hill
Flyleaf Books @ 7:00 pm
Reading, Fundraiser for Girls Rock NC

Wednesday, May 13 / Washington, DC
Politics & Prose (Brookland) @ 6:30 pm
Reading, Q&A with Chris Richards

Thursday, May 14 / Baltimore
Atomic Books @ 7:00 pm
Reading, Q&A

Friday, May 15 / Austin
Book People @ 7:00 pm
Reading, Q&A with Amy Gentry

Sunday, May 17 / Portland
Beacon Sound and Reading Frenzy @ 6:30 pm
Reading, Q&A with TBD

Monday, May 18 / Seattle
Elliott Bay Book Company @ 7:00 pm
Reading, Q&A with Sean Nelson

Tuesday, May 19 / Los Angeles
Skylight Books @ 7:30 pm
Reading, Q and A with Molly Lambert

― curmudgeon, Monday, 27 April 2015 17:03 (ten years ago)

lol at the thread title.
hopper's pitchfork review is great. $20 price tag may seem ridiculous, but man, i think it might be worth it.

― tylerw, Monday, 27 April 2015 17:44 (ten years ago)

a small price to pay for me in every issue! :)

― scott seward, Monday, 27 April 2015 17:59 (ten years ago)

haha.
pfork review is almost as good as the bull tongue review.

― tylerw, Monday, 27 April 2015 19:50 (ten years ago)

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