any thoughts?
― Grell (Grell), Sunday, 10 April 2005 08:13 (twenty years ago)
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 10 April 2005 10:26 (twenty years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 10 April 2005 10:39 (twenty years ago)
― daria g (daria g), Sunday, 10 April 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 10 April 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)
― Kim (Kim), Sunday, 10 April 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Sunday, 10 April 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)
― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Sunday, 10 April 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)
― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 10 April 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)
― Grell (Grell), Sunday, 10 April 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)
― Atnevon (Atnevon), Sunday, 10 April 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 10 April 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)
― kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 10 April 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 10 April 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)
― Grell (Grell), Sunday, 10 April 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 10 April 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)
These were my exact thoughts on "Everything Counts"
― Aaron A., Sunday, 10 April 2005 21:36 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 10 April 2005 22:47 (twenty years ago)
― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Sunday, 10 April 2005 22:53 (twenty years ago)
― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 10 April 2005 22:58 (twenty years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 10 April 2005 23:22 (twenty years ago)
Classick, as is all Depeche.
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 10 April 2005 23:42 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 11 April 2005 01:04 (twenty years ago)
― Kim (Kim), Monday, 11 April 2005 01:09 (twenty years ago)
this is a strange thing to say.
― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 11 April 2005 03:06 (twenty years ago)
― Frogman Henry, Monday, 11 April 2005 03:09 (twenty years ago)
― Lyra Jane (Lyra Jane), Monday, 11 April 2005 13:31 (twenty years ago)
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 April 2005 13:36 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 April 2005 13:36 (twenty years ago)
― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Monday, 11 April 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 April 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)
It's great, isn't it? I especially enjoyed the Human League article(s), and the pics are fantastic throughout.
― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 11 April 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 April 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)
― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 11 April 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)
The main prob is that the descending bassline chorus thing is just too circular. It doesn't really go anywhere, it doesn't build like, say, the structurally similar, stunningly superior "A Matter of Trust".
― Ian in Brooklyn, Monday, 11 April 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 April 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)
Well, it was a single. I remember it being pretty big for them at the time. In retrospect it might be minor, but it was definetely part of the "sobering up" process between fluffy filler like "Just Can't Get Enough" and "Boys Say Go" to their more sombre, serious, Gore-written side (ala "Shake the Disease" onward...)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 11 April 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)
I thought the overview of the early years came off as superficial, but everything from SOFAD onward was very well done.
Most enjoyable though I'm already catching a few examples of oversimplifying and reduction.
I'm not sure why they felt they had to have articles on Bowie/Eno and Kraftwerk. They weren't long enough or detailed enough to convey the significance of those artists, who have already been written about a million times anyhow.
― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 11 April 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)
By minor, I just meant that, compared the compositional astonishmens to come, it's not, um, major?
― Ian in Brooklyn, Monday, 11 April 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)
Some sense of general apologia, I think. Keep in mind an issue like this, though fraught with the usual 'box everything up and make it neat' peril, essentially is a cave to the reality of the fact that electronic/synth music isn't antithetical to 'real music, man,' or whatever construct has been clung to all this time by some extremely stupid people. In a fairly hamhanded but brutally effective way, this is a shoehorning of that as an honest to god tradition -- roots music, if you like -- into the canon. Not the first attempt, of course, and the whole point of Depeche as the core focus of the article is that it gives them a chance to talk about rock and roll hijinks from a group that didn't start in the sixties or seventies for once.
It'll be a long while before that fully happens for hip-hop in terms of Q/Mojo, though, beyond a fetishizing of the earliest days and/or up through Public Enemy, probably. Hip-hop understood as roots music over the last ten years is clear enough in a forum like here, but not there.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 April 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 11 April 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 April 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)
― Leon WK (Ex Leon), Monday, 11 April 2005 20:25 (twenty years ago)
Pop authenticity is always bogus. Artiface has more shadings.You might see why i love the Mode.
― Ian in Brooklyn, Monday, 11 April 2005 21:59 (twenty years ago)
Interpol's your favorite band, right?
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:08 (twenty years ago)
"blasphemous rumours" is still one of my favorite DM songs -- even if lyrically it's "deep" in a teenager/early 20-something way, it still hits the spot.
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:14 (twenty years ago)
Actually, as long as I don't have to look at them, Interpol's fine.
A terrific thing about Cocteau Twins and RAMMS+EIN is I'm never troubled by what they might be singing about.
― Ian in Brooklyn, Monday, 11 April 2005 22:15 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:29 (twenty years ago)
Very true -- and the same can be said for the first Human League article, with the stories about those wild early gigs in front of punk audiences. That's part of the reason that I liked those articles so much.
Keep in mind an issue like this, though fraught with the usual 'box everything up and make it neat' peril, essentially is a cave to the reality of the fact that electronic/synth music isn't antithetical to 'real music, man,' or whatever construct has been clung to all this time by some extremely stupid people.
Except that few of the aforementioned "stupid people" will read the magazine, so making the "synth-pop has actual roots in critically appraised music" argument is a case of preaching to the converted. But you're right, there's no any harm in lumping Bowie/KW/Eno/etc. in there for the sake of completeness.
― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 11 April 2005 23:45 (twenty years ago)