Magic Numbers - Forever Lost

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One of those songs where one tiny part is better than all the rest put together. But oh, that tiny part... Opinions?

bogo (bogo), Monday, 11 April 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

when simon lebon sing the "hey now, whoooo lookatthat" after the sax(?) solo in "Rio"

b b, Monday, 11 April 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

and the rest ...

trumps most other instances of that phenonenon

b b, Monday, 11 April 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

Can this be "You Send It"-ed? I only have a couple Magic Numbers songs, but I am playing the hell out of them, particularly "Long Legs." Maybe I'll YSI that one here once I get home...

Waking Up Onstage at Jumbo's (Bent Over at the Arclight), Monday, 11 April 2005 21:11 (twenty years ago)

i've just uploaded the 3 tracks they did for lamacq live in march

http://www.nunuworldmusic.co.uk/ilx/magicnumbers.zip

it'll be up for the next 2 days or so.. then i'll take it down

jellybean (jellybean), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:22 (twenty years ago)

Twelve songs in, and my jury's still out on the Magic Numbers. Some days they seem too bland and soppy; other days they hit the spot rather effectively. Today's definitely one of the latter, though.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 08:43 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
Seriously though, "Love's a Game" = gold.

sleep (sleep), Friday, 29 April 2005 02:16 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
I didn't think I would like them, and I didn't much like the "Hymn for her" EP, but this album...I've been playing it all weekend, and it's really rather fantastic.

As you were.

brittle-lemon, Sunday, 29 May 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

I'm tempted to start a Magic Numbers album thread, since it's out tomorrow and pretty fine, but we'll see how this one goes for now.

Your thoughts on the lovely cuddly hairy smiley harmonisey swoony brothery sistery phenomenal livey totally untrendy but destined for true greatnessy quartet, then, please!

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Sunday, 12 June 2005 09:08 (twenty years ago)

erm yeah. can't stop listening to Love Me Like You. and just bought tickets for their tour in October (that'll be the 4th time in 12 months). Hurray the the lovely cuddly hairy smiley band!

jellybean (jellybean), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

They sound like Strokes/Kings Of Leon strained through the pop blender. Is there more to them than that? They certainly don't deliver on the classic pop influences listed in their bio.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)

magic numbers v magic markers! fight!

doomie x, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

They sound like Strokes/Kings Of Leon strained through the pop blender. Is there more to them than that? They certainly don't deliver on the classic pop influences listed in their bio.

I must say you've completely flummoxed me with these reference points! Which tracks have you heard? I've seen them something like 12 times in the last year and have been listeneing to demos/finished tracks for months, but The Strokes? Kings of blimmin' Leon? I'm astounded...please explain!

To me, they sound like Rumours-era Fleetwood Mac crossed with Surf's Up-era Beach Boys, early Beatles and, I dunno, maybe even The Seekers. People keep mentioning The Mamas & The Papas but that's just rubbish shorthand for "they're a little more generously proportioned than most". The lovin' spoonful though, that's not inaccurate.

But anyway. Bloody hell. Amazing band. Haven't been this much in love with a band in five years.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 17 June 2005 07:04 (twenty years ago)

So why are the Magic Numbers acceptable and being feted for having these reference points whereas HAL's album which is full of great songs that come from the same place without being enslaved by it doesn't get nearly as much kudos and instead are compared with the insufferable Thrills (laziness just cause they both happen to be Irish?). From the sound of things the Magic Numbers have built up a strong following through a lot of fantastic live shows. Is this what's making the difference, anticipation having been raised by this meaning they have the critics on side before the record drops?

mms (mms), Friday, 17 June 2005 09:19 (twenty years ago)

Nothing to do with the Magic Numbers having made a better album then.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 17 June 2005 09:39 (twenty years ago)

It could be that of course. I think the HAL record is rather fine but it certainly got short shrift on here for being retro bollocks. No one seems to be coming out and saying the same of the MN's, seems to be love all the way (this isn't a diss on the MN's. What I've heard has been fine and I've yet to hear the album). Maybe the dissenting voices just haven't come out to play yet.

To me it's an image thing too though in terms of the amount of press coverage that the MN's have had. Two brother/sister combos looking like that are always going to get more press interest than a bunch of normal looking Irish guys.

mms (mms), Friday, 17 June 2005 09:50 (twenty years ago)

The boy/girl vocal interplay does work beautifully though. Try "I See You, You See Me" which kind of atomises itself before hovering deliciously on the brink of nothingness. Deep soul, in anyone else's language. I think it's a splendid record.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 17 June 2005 10:01 (twenty years ago)

From the sound of things the Magic Numbers have built up a strong following through a lot of fantastic live shows. Is this what's making the difference, anticipation having been raised by this meaning they have the critics on side before the record drops?

OTM. They are a genuine word-of-mouth phenomemon which no amount of marketing "spend" could facilitate alone. I resorted to actually buying tickets for friends and telling them they only had to pay if they enjoyed the gig, and each and every time I not only got my cash back, the people concerned brought more people along next time. Live, they're a bloody revelation, make no mistake (although that may change as bigger venues=less intimacy etc).

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 17 June 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

Apparently they're on Jools Holland tonight with Coldplay and Antony and the Johnsons. So that's 2 reasons to watch the show then.

mms (mms), Friday, 17 June 2005 13:48 (twenty years ago)

I must say you've completely flummoxed me with these reference points! Which tracks have you heard? I've seen them something like 12 times in the last year and have been listeneing to demos/finished tracks for months, but The Strokes? Kings of blimmin' Leon? I'm astounded...please explain!

I've heard the whole full-length. Please note that I said it sounds like those bands strained through the pop blender. As in, if the Strokes and Kings Of Leon made generic guitar pop, they would sound like The Magic Numbers. In a similar fashion, I can't believe you hear Beatles, Beach Boys and Fleetwood Mac in their music.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Friday, 17 June 2005 13:54 (twenty years ago)

There's nothing fundamentally wrong with The Magic Numbers, I just don't understand the hype. I gave them an honest shake, and I found nothing memorable.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Friday, 17 June 2005 13:59 (twenty years ago)

Hal is fucking shit whiny alt rock, might as well be the Thrills, I'm not even big into the Magic Numners but you can hear they have a decent sense of melody at least. Hal are awful one album no marks. Hal could be fucking anyone, I listen to very very little of this sort of music though work forces my hand and Magic Numbers are definitely noteworthy.

Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 18 June 2005 00:42 (twenty years ago)

I wanted to like this bcz they look so good but I'm listening now and it leaves me cold. None of it's making any impression on me whatsoever and it sounds nothing like any of the bands that they have been compared to in the reviews - it's much more generically Uncut friendly indie.

I was expecting weirdness so I'm ging to listen to the Comus reissue I just bought instead.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Saturday, 18 June 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

I can't for the life of me figure out where the David Axelrod influence they profess actually plays out in their music...

Then again, part of me thinks it's cool enough that they recognise the genius of the Axe. Even though they are a bit crap.

ian p is playing at my house (ian p is playing at my house), Saturday, 18 June 2005 14:51 (twenty years ago)

Where's teh life changing experience

Negativa, True Believer (Sheryl Crow in a Britney costume) (Barima), Saturday, 18 June 2005 14:55 (twenty years ago)

I honestly enjoyed the last single a lot more than the few Numbers songs I've heard.

Negativa, True Believer (Sheryl Crow in a Britney costume) (Barima), Saturday, 18 June 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

The album I find lyrically relevant to my current life ("It won't hurt to find love in the wrong place" etc.) and the genuine fragility and openness of their vocal styles and general musical approach I find exceptionally touching.

You know, a lot of the time music doesn't have to be weird to touch or move you.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 20 June 2005 05:32 (twenty years ago)

when simon lebon sing the "hey now, whoooo lookatthat" after the sax(?) solo in "Rio"
-- b b (blo...), April 11th, 2005.
yeah he rocks
and on arena during'is there something i should know" after singing " looking for the tv sound " he yells "switch it off"

simon le rhodes, Monday, 20 June 2005 07:43 (twenty years ago)

mms don't worry I have been comparing the Magic Numbers to the Thrills!

Tom (Groke), Monday, 20 June 2005 07:57 (twenty years ago)

I would compare them to the Mamas and Papas, with a touch of the Delgados.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 20 June 2005 08:01 (twenty years ago)

But their album was certainly the ideal soundtrack for this weekend just passed.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 20 June 2005 08:02 (twenty years ago)

There are some records which come along in your life at exactly the time you need them. The words are kind of what you wanted to hear, or be said/sung to you. The Magic Numbers album is a bit like that with me.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 20 June 2005 08:06 (twenty years ago)

I would compare them to the Mamas and Papas, with a touch of the Delgados.
-- Marcello Carlin (marcellocarli...), June 20th, 2005.

Yes. I thought of the Mamas and Papas too.

They're lovely.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Monday, 20 June 2005 08:25 (twenty years ago)

I honestly enjoyed the last single a lot more than the few Numbers songs I've heard.

I meant to say "last Thrills single", and I certainly think it was an underrated ditty. I have to get it onto the Pod to make sure it's still as nice as remembered.

As far as magical indie goes this year, The Shortwave Set and The Boy Least Likely to are pwning the Numbers left right and centre (barring hype, sales and all that) and have just as many fragile or contemplative lyrical sentiments to boot. The Delgados also deserve better.

'Forever Lost' is growing on me but if there's a space in my heart for the Numbers' style of pop, I think it's been comfortably filled for quite a while now. We'll see.

BARMS, Monday, 20 June 2005 10:03 (twenty years ago)

I am enjoying this album at the moment. Yes, I am as surprised by this as you might be.

alext (alext), Monday, 20 June 2005 10:40 (twenty years ago)

The Shortwave Set and The Boy Least Likely eh? OK I'll check their records out and get back to you.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 20 June 2005 10:55 (twenty years ago)

Somehow, I doubt they'll dislodge Tales From Turnpike House from your heart ;-). But they're very worthwhile (The Shortwave Set much moreso).

BARMS, Monday, 20 June 2005 11:05 (twenty years ago)

Wait wait wait - did you just take recommendations from me? Turnpike House HAS put you in a good mood *insert smiley etc*.

BARMS, Monday, 20 June 2005 11:21 (twenty years ago)

I wanted them to sound more like On Time by the Bee Gees. I love that record.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

xxpost

I think Magic Numbers have become more popular than Hal just because they have better songs, and more of them. And there are a variety of styles on the album. The Hal stuff I've heard (all but about a couple of the tracks of the album) is OK. But there hasn't been a single song with an amazing hook or something ridiculously catchy to keep your attention play after play. The Magic Numbers have about 7 or 8 very good songs on their album, and some amazing hooks.

The Hal album is just one that I'm waiting to get in the sales, while I've bought TMN one already.

jellybean (jellybean), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:47 (twenty years ago)

Got this today on a whim.

not sure about it so far, it's very pretty and inoffensive isn't it?

Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

i'm absolutely with the original poster on the topp bit in "forever lost". the rest of the album has so far left no impression on me, but ... strangely, i can imagine myself coming back to it. give it six months and it'll either have become an unusual addition to the grimly canon of classics or ... i'll have forgotten ever hearing it.

am listening to "forever lost" right now. the good bit really is very, very good.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

hey Grimly, check out Hymn for her, hidden at the end of track 12. After a few listens this will BLOW YOUR FACE OFF!!! With it's twee beauty, obv.

alext (alext), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 21:08 (twenty years ago)

hmm. i don't remember it blowing anything other than goats.

sorry. couldn't resist. i dunno ... i remember it being ok. that's all. still, i bow to yr wisdom and will re-listen.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 21:17 (twenty years ago)

This album seems about 15 minutes too long

Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 21:20 (twenty years ago)


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