Which publications allow critics to review albums from leaked downloads?

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I mentioned on the Of Montreal thread that the Pitchfork review (which is up today) of their new album neglects to mention anything about the songs on the bonus EP that comes with the album. It was strange that the reviewer was criticizing the lack of song oriented material on the latter half of the album, but mentioned nothing about the four songs on the bonus EP, which are all tight pop song structures. (He praises the tight pop song structures on the first half of the music that is on the album's first disc.)

The speculation is that his review may have been based on a downloaded version of the album, not including the bonus EP, that leaked several months ago. If so, this is very irresponsible. There is no version of the album available for sale that does not include the bonus EP. (It comes as a four song bonus CD or a five song bonus 12".) It is a part of the album.

Hence, my question: Which publications allow critics to review albums from leaked downloads, not even knowing for sure whether the reviewer has the album in its proper form?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

All of them.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 21:53 (twenty years ago)

Well, it could be that the critic did not consider the bonus ep to part of the album proper, but rather a promotional add-on that wasn't part of the work that they were critiquing. I know I wouldn't ever consider bonus materials in reviewing an album unless it was a reissue/repackage sort of thing. Just because an extra cd comes packaged with the cd doesn't make it part of the album. For example, Stephen Malkmus' Pig Lib is not a double album, it just initially came packaged with an EP mainly because Matador wasn't interested in releasing the b-sides for that album's single domestically as they had in the past.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 21:58 (twenty years ago)

Tim, would you consider bonus featurettes and outtake footage on dvds to be part of the movie proper?

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

if by "allow" you mean "encourage", then yes, Pitchfork does this.

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 22:02 (twenty years ago)

>I mentioned on the Of Montreal thread that the Pitchfork review (which is up today) of their new album neglects to mention anything about the songs on the bonus EP that comes with the album.<

I don't see why this is necessarily a problem, Tim. Reviewers are not required to name every (or even most every) song on every album they review. How can you be so sure the reviewer didn't hear the bonus EP, but thought it was ignorable (and maybe disagreed with you about its song structures?) Unless the review expressly says "there is no bonus EP," which I doubt (though I haven't actually looked at the review.) (Even if the reviewer used "latter half of the album" to review to the latter half of the main CD, and not the bonus one, this strikes me more as a semantic disagreement than anything more sinister.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 12 April 2005 22:04 (twenty years ago)

As for the question on the top of your thread, I tend not to ask such questions of my writers. Why would I care at all *where* they hear the album, as long as they hear it? Some writers have told me they downloaded reviewed albums, a couple times; it doesn't bother me, though yeah, I guess maybe they risk hearing a different version of the album than the one that actually gets released to the stores.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 12 April 2005 22:06 (twenty years ago)

I'm just speculating and wondering if he heard it. Having the CD version, I would say that, with this album in particular, it feels to me like a part of the album proper. The songs for both discs are listed in the same place. It features some of the best songs on the thing.

And again, it IS a part of the album given that there is no version of the album that doesn't include it. It just happens to be called "Bonus EP." (And, again also, it was odd that the second disc contains the type of songs the reviewer felt were lacking from the second half of the first disc.)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 22:07 (twenty years ago)

So, Matthew, no, it's a different situation. The songs don't feel like leftovers or outtakes.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 22:08 (twenty years ago)

>it was odd that the second disc contains the type of songs the reviewer felt were lacking from the second half of the first disc.)
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In. Your. Opinion. Again: How do you know he didn't hear them differently from you? And what evidence do you have that he didn't hear the EP? Not mentioning it proves nothing, one way or another.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 12 April 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)

did the promos come with the bonus ep?

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)

No, I agree. As I say, I'm just speculating!

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Yes, the promos did come with the bonus EP.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 22:11 (twenty years ago)

>The songs don't feel like leftovers or outtakes. <

They don't feel like leftovers or outtakes TO YOU, Tim. Why is it so hard for some critics to conceive that everybody is not born with the same ears?

xhuxk, Tuesday, 12 April 2005 22:11 (twenty years ago)

Let's just say I would be surprised to hear someone say that they thought those songs did feel like outtakes or leftovers. Again, just speculation! (I'm allowed to speculate!)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 22:13 (twenty years ago)

I have a UK promo which doesn't come with a bonus EP, so I guess as far as the artist and label are concerned that's the entire album. It's so-so.

snotty moore, Wednesday, 13 April 2005 00:32 (twenty years ago)

"so I guess as far as the artist and label are concerned that's the entire album"

Doesn't necessarily follow.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 00:35 (twenty years ago)

Well, I don't think it's even a question of whether or not the Bonus EP is better or worse, but more that it is clearly marked "Bonus" and that the artist has gone out of their way to separate those songs from the work of art that is meant to be reviewed. The Bonus EP is there as a special thing for fans and as an incentive for people who downloaded the album to buy it in the store.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 00:37 (twenty years ago)

Well, I got the U.S. promo in the mail. It was a two-disc set. Yes, one of the discs is marked as "Bonus EP," but, like I say, all of the songs are listed on the CD case. I took "the work of art to be reviewed" as the whole thing, especially given the fact that I thought he put some of the best songs on the second disc. I interpreted it as being a situation where he had a certain programme in mind for the first disc (which is only forty something minutes long) and had these other songs that he also wanted to release as a part of the package.

Anyway, was trying to make greater point about people reviewing albums when they've downloaded a leaked version (which could obviously lead to problems) and wondering how common this is.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 00:42 (twenty years ago)

dunno exactly what pfm writer sam ubl received, but my polyvinyl promo is 13 tracks, no EP (and with the album name misspelled).

scott pl. (scott pl.), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 00:44 (twenty years ago)

OK, that's interesting. Like I say, it just occurred to me that this might have been the situation.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 00:45 (twenty years ago)

a PF writer I know caught some flak not long ago for reviewing an early version of an album with different tracks from the released version that was given to him by PF management, don't know if they gave him files or sent him a burnt copy or if they simply had an early promo that wasn't the final version.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 00:46 (twenty years ago)

Well, I get bonus cds tucked in with promos all the time, it doesn't make them part of the album, just part of the package!

Tim, just think of it in terms of what the artist might consider to be the complete work.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 00:56 (twenty years ago)

Tim, did they talk about the Bonus EP at all in the press kit?

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 00:57 (twenty years ago)

btw, the LP has five "bonus tracks" rather than just four, so we could be having this conversation with that at its center, too.

To cut to the point: Has PFM reviewed things from leaks in the past? Yes, and has been deservedly burned. I can't say for sure that has not happened in the past eight months or so (since I've been managing editor), but I'm sure it's possible that it has w/o me knowing it.

I don't mind saying there are times when mp3s from promos are ripped and distributed to writers, thus robbing them of clear cases and one-sheets, but the preferred method of distributing records to our reviewers is cutting the office out as a middleman and having the label or PR furnish the writer directly, with my help if needed. This has become the standard, and we're finally getting virtually every promo we request, which is a big help.

scott pl. (scott pl.), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 00:58 (twenty years ago)

Matt, yeah the bonus EP is mentioned in the press kit.

And I definitely am thinking of it in terms of what the artist might consider to be the complete work. I'd be surprised if people who had the double disc set thought otherwise.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 01:11 (twenty years ago)

Tim has a good point and people are sounding defensive

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you're not getting Tzadik, a company which makes a point of not sending out review copies, which didn't stop someone from reviewing a box set he doesn't even own

(not to grill Dahlen for his well written review, who fessed up to not bothering to buy the box on the Naked City thread... he wrote a review assuming his audience had no idea whatsoever about the band and therefore wasn't concerned about the new packaging, remastering, and unreleased music contained within... but if the reviewer isn't enough of a fan to care about those things either, the 'review' should make that explicit, the review is technically not a review of the box)

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 01:14 (twenty years ago)

I don't see why the "Bonus EP" is off the table if the cover art is fair game for an "album" review.

That said, I also don't know we're reading so much into Pitchfork's motives/actions. The larger discussion is more interesting, I think.

Tyrone Willie Demetrius DeAndre DeShawn (deangulberry), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 01:16 (twenty years ago)

"To cut to the point: Has PFM reviewed things from leaks in the past? Yes, and has been deservedly burned. I can't say for sure that has not happened in the past eight months or so (since I've been managing editor), but I'm sure it's possible that it has w/o me knowing it."

the example I was referring to was the Snoop album, which initially contained references to songs that aren't on the released version. and that was like 5 months ago.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 01:17 (twenty years ago)

Snoop

oh gosh, I must have been blocking that one out of my mind! Yeah, R mailed a copy of the LP with a slightly different tracklist tham the finihsed one. That was careless and inexcusable, no doubt.

scott pl. (scott pl.), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 01:52 (twenty years ago)

*than the finished*, obv.

scott pl. (scott pl.), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 01:53 (twenty years ago)


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