― toby, Sunday, 20 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― nelly, Sunday, 20 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
i haven't heard them yet. i have "has it come to this" trapped on my harddrive, but no way of listening to it. given tim's bigging up the album, i'll probably download some more as it becomes available.
― jess, Sunday, 20 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Ronan, Sunday, 20 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Tim, Sunday, 20 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
speaking of which, how comes yr best of 2001 list? i'm itching to find some mp3s...
― rebecca the subtle, Sunday, 20 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
Rebecca, I might be able to arrange something on that score. I'll e-mail you sometime later about it.
Actually I think that anniversary thing is something that deserves to be resurrected if possible, and not because of my piece - the original FT went down so soon afterwards that I don't even think I was able to read everyone's contributions properly.
― Mr Noodles, Monday, 21 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Tom, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
as am former navy man
Yardstick the mollusc heightways! Promulgate mid-aorta indigestibus able seaman at hard port! Ibex trounce!
― Wally Klemmer, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― chris morrison, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Dev
― Dev ., Tuesday, 26 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― N., Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― powertonevolume, Saturday, 30 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Turn The Page Has It Come To This? Let's Push Things Forward Sharp Darts Same Old Thing Geezers Need Excitement It's Too Late Too Much Brandy Don't Mug Yourself The Irony Of It All Who Got The Funk? Weak Become Heroes Who Dares Wins Stay Positive The album's fantastic, incidentally.
― Tim, Saturday, 30 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
it just makes me cringe. it sounds like a novelty record. it's embarrassing.
i'm not averse to being convinced otherwise... state your case.
― Wyndham Earl, Saturday, 30 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Honda, Saturday, 30 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
And that's fine, that's what fiction's about, but if you don't identify with that persona, you're not going to like the album much. Some of his lyrics are excellent, and they do relate to things that a certain age group has gone/goes through, and people respond to that. And it's also all a bit overdone, sometimes too much so, so it gets cartoonish at times (I still find it hard to listen to "Geezers Need Excitement"), like you're watching a "street" version of "Eastenders."
Compounding that is the fact that the beats are a bit thin overall. I don't think most of them would stand up on their own. It's basic production, and it shows. The tracks with strings are the best, he really has some great orchestration on there. There are four or five real standout tracks, a couple of weak ones, and the rest inbetween. I don't think it's going to date very well, but it's fun for now.
― Ben Williams, Sunday, 31 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― adam, Sunday, 31 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
In terms of carrying songs garage beats *always* sound weak (the usual process is just to make everything so fast and self-fulfilling that the beats don't get overburdened). So when Skinner toughens them up and makes them messy, and then loops martial strings or whatever over the top, you get this great contradiction - it's like he's trying to make weapons out of warped metal. Listen to the fantastic contrast he achieves in "The Irony Of It All": the yob gets that trudging stutter beat, utterly grooveless, whereas the student pothead gets inconsequentially light beats, deliberately unengaging wallpaper undercarriage.
(in contrast, the "well programmed" tracks - "Has It Come To This?" and "Don't Mug Yourself" especially - sound almost prissily so. Very Artful Dodger, ironically)
Of course it's really Skinner's rapping that makes this album for me (the garage base is the interesting twist that provides the "in") and precisely because I have no knowledge or understanding of the way of life he describes, I can approach it on the exact same terms as I would US rap.
― Tim, Sunday, 31 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Also sometimes it's both tossed-off and inspired: the ad-libbed sing-song section at the end of that track ("What are you doing you twat?"/and I said, "What the fuck...") is amazingly stupid but, conversely, stupidly amazing.
― Tim, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― powertonevolume, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― scott p., Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Beer Boy, Thursday, 4 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 4 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― chris, Thursday, 4 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
1) The "Don't Mug Yourself" I have isn't actually "Don't Mug Yourself".
2) Everyone *must track down* All Got Our Runnins etc. because it is BRILLIANT. Perhaps my favourite track (not) on the album. "You know things are bleak when you're telling that bird you asked out last week that things are busy, when REALLY you ain't got no dough in the piggy."
― Tim, Thursday, 4 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 5 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― powertonevolume, Saturday, 6 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Ha ha just kidding
― Ben Williams, Saturday, 6 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
I'm not sure what it all means. Maybe the key is that - unlike So Solid Crew - Skinner's music is defiantly not designed for clubs. UKG is much more self-consciously dance music than hip hop, if less self-consciously so than house. The radical break in the purposive nature of the music makes me think that the nature of The Streets' relationship to 'proper' garage is more like trip hop's relationship with hip hop than, say, Nas's relationship to NWA * within* hip hop. Which is to say that the comparison is stylistically stretched too far to be simply qualitative.
― Tim, Saturday, 6 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
(perhaps connotation of "MC" is a certain level of anonymity or interchangability persona-wise (if not vocally) - there's 40+ members of SSC now, but only one Skinner)
i have a feeling my take is going to be very different from everyone elses, even tim's, because i really am trying to tackle it from an american angle. not to the point where we get ethan's infamous roots manuva review, but...
secondary urgent and key: does anyone know of any american writing on the streets yet? google turned up nothing, but i'd really like to see some before i finish up...
― jess, Saturday, 6 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dave McBride, Saturday, 6 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― sy, Sunday, 7 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― scott p., Monday, 8 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
There's no excuses my friend, let's push things forward.
― Natty, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― jel --, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― david h, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― adam, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― david h, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Yes, here. Feel free to add your thoughts. :-)
― Jeff W, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Okay. David, I agree that so much rests on minute variations of Skinner's voice. The weakest aspect of "It's Too Late" - otherwise a great track - is how Skinner's stretching of his rhymes causes him to get a bit whiny. "...for my fair female" bugs me, not because it's an awkward line but because it's one of the few times that an awkward line sounds like an awkward line per se, and not the result of an awkward character. In the process it exposes some of the machinery behind the faces of the Skinner's characters. I'd argue that a lot of the seemingly weaker lines on the album are deliberate lapses in compositional neatness, but that one just sounds like a desperate stretch, like cartoon characters leaping over a canyon and hoping that if they don't look down and acknowlege the impossibility of it all cartoon-laws will allow them to make it.
(my favourite moment in "Too Much Brandy" - apart from the cocaine section and "Ra ra ra..." - is the mangled/mingle/ fandango/jingles rhyme. Which is utterly, utterly brilliant)
― Tim, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Monday, 29 December 2003 21:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 06:49 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 10:52 (twenty-two years ago)
― martin (martin), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:15 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 22:31 (twenty-two years ago)
― peckham rye, Tuesday, 30 December 2003 22:33 (twenty-two years ago)
― Wall-E, Wednesday, 29 December 2004 03:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 06:21 (twenty-one years ago)
the best debut of the decade STILL amirite?
seriously no one's gonna argue with that.
― pisces, Friday, 17 August 2007 09:22 (eighteen years ago)
Some nice beats and ok lyrics, awful flow. I haven't listened to this ever since it came out. The best debut this decade is Cannibal Ox's.
― Tuomas, Friday, 17 August 2007 09:33 (eighteen years ago)
Wow I'd forgotten how totally The Streets ruled my 2002. I stand by everything I say in this thread though.
― Tim F, Friday, 17 August 2007 13:03 (eighteen years ago)
Wow this is all over five years ago.
yeah i think OPM suffers from being SO of it's moment - can't say i've listened to it much since AGDCFF but it's his best album still. Since I Left You probably still my favourite debut this decade (Anniemal makes three).
― blueski, Friday, 17 August 2007 13:15 (eighteen years ago)
it's so very funny that's what struck me listening to the whole thing again. it's hillarious!
― pisces, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 13:31 (eighteen years ago)
"The best debut this decade is Cannibal Ox's"
no its actually mike jones's album.
― titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 6 September 2007 16:30 (eighteen years ago)
-- Tuomas, Friday, August 17, 2007 9:33 AM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Link
how can one post be so rite and so rong
― and what, Thursday, 6 September 2007 16:32 (eighteen years ago)
LOCK DOWN YOUR AERIAL
― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 6 September 2007 16:33 (eighteen years ago)
If you like this album or LOVE it like i know a lot on here do, you really owe it to yourself to listen to this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00p29gw
Say what you like about Zane Lowe but his show's been on fire these last few months.
― piscesx, Thursday, 3 December 2009 01:02 (sixteen years ago)
So how has history judged this album, now that it's 17 years old?
"Don't Mug Yourself" just came on during a spotify playlist, and it was unexpectedly amazing. I wouldn't have expected that song to hold up, but it definitely does. If the Beastie Boys can get canonized, maybe it's time for a critical reappraisal of Mike Skinner.
― enochroot, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 20:29 (seven years ago)
I think I would die if I ever heard "Dry Your Eyes" again but this album still holds up imo
― bhad bundy (Simon H.), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 20:42 (seven years ago)
What are you lot upta, there's nuff garage/Dnb/original musak to listen to around at the mo and you lot are consentrating on 1 album, get wiv the new lads n lasses, what the frik, Wall-E (Legend) ps. I don't care how old this thread is, best get to the local record store and sort yo'selves out!!!
― invited to an unexpected ninja presentation (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 21:09 (seven years ago)
"If the Beastie Boys..."
Mutha Fuck That Bull Shit
― nicky lo-fi, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 00:15 (seven years ago)
Hello folks HE HE HE HE HE! Must admit was put out by banner signifying headline namely Original Pirate Material thought you must have uncovered treasure of Red Foxx Rackham dastardly dastoor that he was and he made ants walk the plank and dive into coke en stock shark din dins as was customary in days of blue blooded bearded piracy ahoist the main seas in the new world of old but was devil may care mark you so wouldn't have minded as was doubtless very presentable young man as am expert in such affairsas am former navy man
― Wally Klemmer, Monday, January 21, 2002 8:00 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 6 March 2019 00:18 (seven years ago)
“Don’t Mug Yourself” is the only Streets song that is any good
― GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Wednesday, 6 March 2019 04:29 (seven years ago)
MC Pitman has aged better.
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 12:22 (seven years ago)
I've got a massive soft spot for 'It's Too Late'.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Wednesday, 6 March 2019 16:18 (seven years ago)
(seventeen years ago)
Never got around to listening to this, oops.
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 6 March 2019 16:53 (seven years ago)
og pirate material: still good
idk if i could make it through a grand today but i did enjoy this flip of "blinded by the lights" that talabot and pional did a few years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdCYz6DsVwo
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Wednesday, 6 March 2019 16:58 (seven years ago)
i still love it. i saw him live in Utrecht recently and it was amazing.but I grew up listening to the streets. too many feelings attached.
― Nourry, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 17:00 (seven years ago)
god, 17 years since I've had a working aerial
― maffew12, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 17:03 (seven years ago)
listening to this, in the car on the way to work this morning
still holds up imo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwKSgtjKb5M
― the late great, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 17:11 (seven years ago)
i did enjoy this flip of "blinded by the lights" that talabot and pional did a few years ago
ty for this
― steven, soda jerk (sic), Wednesday, 6 March 2019 18:36 (seven years ago)
i still love this album and it does not sound nigh on 20 years old at all
― idgaf (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 15:23 (six years ago)