Explain Reggae to me _ I and I _ and _ Jah Rastafari _ the weed thing, etc.

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Mostly I wonder:

What does "I and I" mean?

What is the religion? Jah comes from the Christianity or Judaism, but Rastafari is neither.

What's with the pot? Smoking pot is part of the religion?

The Dreads - okay, this one I know. The dreads are the way God made them and it is how their hair is supposed to be. "Like a lion's mane. You don't see a lion getting a haircut, do you?"

I and I am very interested to know these things.

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 16 April 2005 22:23 (twenty years ago)

Yes, smoking pot is part of the religion.

AIN'T IT COOL?

Samuel Glickstein (nordicskilla), Saturday, 16 April 2005 22:26 (twenty years ago)

This might be the right thread for asking what the hell "Big Muff" is all about.

NickB (NickB), Saturday, 16 April 2005 22:28 (twenty years ago)

I'm pretty sure this question would be better answered by using google.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 16 April 2005 22:28 (twenty years ago)

I and I couldn't find not'ing about "I and I" and dat is why I and I resorted to asking here. I and I is also not searchable since "and" is the only searchable word.

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 16 April 2005 22:30 (twenty years ago)

rastafari is a sect of christianity, sorta.

hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 16 April 2005 22:32 (twenty years ago)

http://www.earthcultureroots.com/

Samuel Glickstein (nordicskilla), Saturday, 16 April 2005 22:33 (twenty years ago)

I and I is just "we". I think they say it like that because it is a way of saying "we" that doesn't involve losing the "I" (self).

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 16 April 2005 22:33 (twenty years ago)

I AND I WILL WITNESS THE DAY WHICH BABYLON SHALL FALL!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 16 April 2005 22:34 (twenty years ago)

I and I is just "we"?

I was just reading this Ziggy Marley interview (Google highlighted) and totally thought he was speaking for himself. I have always thought this listening to reggae, too.

Ziggy Marley I and I's highlighted

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 16 April 2005 22:35 (twenty years ago)

It's actually. . .

I AND I AND ALL DI YOUT SHALL WITNESS THE DAY THAT BABYLON SHALL FALL!

(Proof I am not listening to enough jungle right now.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 16 April 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)

Thank you for that earthculture link. That is exactly what I was looking for. And the "I and I" question has been answered too.

I like this from the FAQ's:

-Is the Herb an obligation for Rastas ?

Like for dreadlocks, the use of Ganja is part of I and I, but it is not an obligation. You shall not use the Holy Herb to follow and in all case you must use it with respect and consciousness, not to be "stoned".

I wish I knew how to smoke pot without getting stoned. That's pretty much why I avoid it besides it being unhealthy.

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 16 April 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)

Lemonade Salesmen, you underestimate Google.

If you put quote marks round a phrase, it searches all the words as a phrase, regardless of whether they are "stop words" such as "I" and "and".

see

Better yet

Alba (Alba), Saturday, 16 April 2005 22:40 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I finally figured that out and that's how I found the Ziggy Marley interview. Thanks again!

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 16 April 2005 22:47 (twenty years ago)

I dunno but I had a friend who was really good at capoeira(an afro-brazilian martial art) and believed some of us were aliens and broke down how aliens (black aliens at least, though he said there's aliens of all colors) should wear their hair so that it serves its natural function(being antennae for intergalactic transmissions of love and wisdom) best. Braids and afros were preferred, short hair was, of course, less receptive, and dreads resulted in garbled transmission. Before you say 'fuck that guy' let me say he was an interesting fellow, one of those who're so radiant and spiritually attuned(or whatever) that it can freak you out if you're just trying to chill. I like those kind of people, wish I could find some these days, or become one.

tremendoid (tremendoid), Saturday, 16 April 2005 22:49 (twenty years ago)

I thought it must be a link to the higher self or God or something!

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 16 April 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)

tremendoid, so did this guy have braids? I would assume he wants the best possible transmission!

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 16 April 2005 22:53 (twenty years ago)

He alternated between short and afro pretty much, his wife(who I had a crush on, another reason I stopped kicking it with him) always afro-ed or braids. I've known a few rastas but there was always something they said to keep me disinterested from learning any further about it. They lived purer than I do but not much more, really. I want the essence.

tremendoid (tremendoid), Saturday, 16 April 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

From what I understand, "I and I" is a sort of transcendental way of saying "I". The first I signifies what we typically think of as self identity, and the second I signifies the divine.

See: Walt Whitman's "Song of Myself", Thoreau, Hinduism, Rumi, that scene with the white sheet in I

Mickey (modestmickey), Sunday, 17 April 2005 00:15 (twenty years ago)

anyone else read that as "Explain Ragget to me"?

elwisty (elwisty), Sunday, 17 April 2005 00:18 (twenty years ago)

Ragget I wouldn't know about. Raggett, maybe.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 17 April 2005 00:22 (twenty years ago)

er... that scene with the white sheet in I Heart Huckabees.

Mickey (modestmickey), Sunday, 17 April 2005 00:28 (twenty years ago)

you see i read it as Ragget... not me make a mistake oh no I know your name sir yes I do...

elwisty (elwisty), Sunday, 17 April 2005 00:32 (twenty years ago)

'ere so what's irie then? I went to see the Gladiators last year and everyone screamed "irie" early on.

mentalist (mentalist), Sunday, 17 April 2005 00:38 (twenty years ago)

From what I understand, "I and I" is a sort of transcendental way of saying "I". The first I signifies what we typically think of as self identity, and the second I signifies the divine.
Yup. I and I and I shall be right there, right down in Zion, to sit beside the Lion, speaking of whom...

Jah Rastafari = King of Kings, Lord of Lords, Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah if I'm not mistaken, considered to have been Emperor Haile Selassie of Ethiopia. Ethiopia was supposed to be a promised land of sorts for Rastafarians through Biblical connotations and the fact that it was symbol of African independence since it was the only country to not be claimed as a European colony. Many Rastafarians don't believe that he's really dead, and also amusing is that Ethopians criticised Selassie for his dictatorial power as a monarch, although he was far from being a terrible ruler.

Weed, probably some life essence or something transcendental like that.

Two sevens clash (like the Culture album)...apocalypse was supposed to come on the seventh day of the seventh month (7 July) in 1977. Many Jamaicans got into a panic that day. I forget the significance of the sevens but it's probably something like the "seven deadly sins" or the seven days it supposedly took to create the earth.

I can't explain 'irie, sadly.

Ian Riese-Moraine. To Hell with you and your gradual evolution! (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 17 April 2005 00:45 (twenty years ago)

Er, I'm just slightly more informed on this than the average person, so don't take my word on it, but...

From what I understand, irie is just a good feeling. Joyous, blissful, etc. There's a little nuance that makes it different, but I can't really say what that is.

Mickey (modestmickey), Sunday, 17 April 2005 00:46 (twenty years ago)

I always thought the dreadlocks were so, when God decided to take you to heaven, he had something to reach down and grab.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Sunday, 17 April 2005 01:35 (twenty years ago)

Ooh! I love that connotation!

Ian Riese-Moraine. To Hell with you and your gradual evolution! (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 17 April 2005 01:37 (twenty years ago)

Ethiopia was supposed to be a promised land of sorts for Rastafarians through Biblical connotations and the fact that it was symbol of African independence since it was the only country to not be claimed as a European colony.

Until 1936, at any rate.
Emperors of Ethiopia: http://www.friesian.com/ethiopia.htm

karmastein (jcartledge), Sunday, 17 April 2005 02:20 (twenty years ago)

Irie, as Jimmy Cliff once explained on "Space Ghost Coast To Coast", means "to rule from within".

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 17 April 2005 09:55 (twenty years ago)

I thought the dreadlocks were related to the story of Samson and the idea that if his hair were cut he would lose his strength. There's a Bunny Wailer song with a lyric that goes something like this: "That's the strangest man I've ever seen/ Wearing the mark of a Nazarene/ That's because/ he is a Rastaman."

Ken L (Ken L), Sunday, 17 April 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

It has to do with Aslan and the son of Adam. You see, we all go to Narnia when we die...

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 17 April 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

Two sevens clash (like the Culture album)...apocalypse was supposed to come on the seventh day of the seventh month (7 July) in 1977.

Secret 77 by Bad Brains!

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Sunday, 17 April 2005 15:09 (twenty years ago)

Thankfully, Karma, the Italian presence was late and brief enough to stand as an "occupation," not a "colonization." (Not unless France was soonafter "colonized" by Germany.) But the Italians did get to steal a lot of good statues and leave everyone eating gelato. (Which they would have anyway, since the Italians were along the Red Sea coast for a lot longer than that.)

"Ras Tafari" = Prince Tafari = Prince Tafari Mekonnen, Haile Selassie. Anyone see the article in last week's New York Times about his probable illegitimate son? Has the name Abebe, actually (not Tafari, obviously); his mother worked for the emperor after his wife died, and there's a certain resemblence and an appropriate timeline. I hope he can prove it, and I hope he goes to Jamaica and gets really stoned and wanders around shouting "Rastafarians! I am the son of your god!"

nabiscothingy (nory), Sunday, 17 April 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

Ah crap, this really taints my love for the Bad Brains now that I know what they hell they're singing about.

Check out this Christian analysis of Bob Marley:
http://www.av1611.org/crock/pod_rast.html

If you don't like the Christian angle, you may also come to realize that you don't like the Rastafarian angle, either. I know I don't! I had no clue Bob was singing about this.

Rocker For Light (on a Bad Brains kick) (Eleventy-Twelve), Monday, 18 April 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

Sheesh!

"The ultimate hope of militant Rastafarians is that all black people can return to Africa for a while, though eventually they hope to span the globe and become the dominate race of humanity. Many of them believe (and hope) that, ultimately, the world’s white population will experience a total collapse.

Rastafarianism among black people is as radical as the obnoxious white-supremacist groups are among Caucasians. "

Rocker For Light (on a Bad Brains kick) (Eleventy-Twelve), Monday, 18 April 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

don't believe everything you read

()ops (()()ps), Monday, 18 April 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

don't believe everything you read

Following your logic, I must believe everything I read because I see no reason to believe your advice!

Rocker For Light (on a Bad Brains kick) (Eleventy-Twelve), Monday, 18 April 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

"The ultimate hope of militant Rastafarians is that all black people can return to Africa for a while, though eventually they hope to span the globe and become the dominate race of humanity. Many of them believe (and hope) that, ultimately, the world’s white population will experience a total collapse.

Who wrote this? The Ku-Klux-Klan?

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 18 April 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

Geir, I doubt it due to the follow up line:

"Rastafarianism among black people is as radical as the obnoxious white-supremacist groups are among Caucasians. "

I don't know enough about Rastafarianism to say it is incorrect but most of the Rastas I've seen don't act like they want me to die or anything.

Rocker For Light (on a Bad Brains kick) (Eleventy-Twelve), Monday, 18 April 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

Haha the "Christian Courier"

The best way to learn about a religion is to go directly to a different religion who is talking about them!

Mickey (modestmickey), Monday, 18 April 2005 23:59 (twenty years ago)

;) Well, do you honestly think they would post their plan for the whole world to see?

Rocker For Light (on a Bad Brains kick) (Eleventy-Twelve), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 01:23 (twenty years ago)

Has the name Abebe


Really? If there was an emoticon for raising one eyebrow I would put it here.

Anna (Anna), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 09:15 (twenty years ago)

O_o

Amon (eman), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 11:09 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...
There is a line in some Bunny Wailer or Bob song that says, 'The mighty God is a living man.' Would this be Price Tafari?

On the bass, 57 7th, he wrote this (calstars), Friday, 13 May 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

Ha: was that before or after 1975?

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 13 May 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

Dunno the exact chronology, I think the first Bob album was '75, so maybe 75-80?

On the bass, 57 7th, he wrote this (calstars), Friday, 13 May 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

Selassie died in 75, but I doubt that had much effect on the standard metaphors. Come to think of it I have read just about nothing ever on how Rastafarians reacted to the coup and subsequent house arrest and possible-murder of God. Does that make Mengistu Hailemariam the devil?

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 13 May 2005 17:31 (twenty years ago)

It's from "Get Up Stand Up":

We sick an’ tired of-a your ism-skism game -
Dyin’ ’n’ goin’ to heaven in-a jesus’ name, lord.
We know when we understand:
Almighty God is a living man.
You can fool some people sometimes,
But you can’t fool all the people all the time.
So now we see the light (what you gonna do? ),
We gonna stand up for our rights! (yeah, yeah, yeah!)

On the bass, 57 7th, he wrote this (calstars), Friday, 13 May 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

are you of ethiopian descent, nabisco?

()ops (()()ps), Friday, 13 May 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

Yeah. For some reason it turns out that this does not entitle a person to get free weed from Rastas.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 13 May 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

There are quite a lot of records which deal with Selassie's death, most tend to claim that the stories of his dying were a Babylonian fabrication. A good example is "Tacko" by Max Romeo, off "Revelation Time". From memory, it goes something like this:

"They say Rasta confused
And no know what to do
They say Selassie is lost
Oh but Jah Jah have the last laugh yet
So Rasta don't get foolish
Don't let the newsman chat fool you..."

Tim (Tim), Friday, 13 May 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

This makes me think of a Q&A after a dance performance when I saw a 19-year old white college kid with huge dreads posing a question to the choreographer while adopting an accent and saying "I and I".

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 13 May 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)

If he was God, then he didn't really die obviously. (I feel I should know the answer to how they handle that theologically, after all the emphasis on a real live man being God, rather than the "mystery God"--do they use that phrase in Rastafarianism?--of benighted mainstream monotheism.)

RS, Friday, 13 May 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

maybe God inhabits the body of different men? before Selassie it was someone else, as it is now?

()ops (()()ps), Friday, 13 May 2005 18:36 (twenty years ago)

Maybe George Bush?

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 13 May 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

Don't forget, Salassie is God because his crowning fulfilled a prophecy supposedly made by Marcus Garvey (though most agree that Garvey never really did make the prediction).

Rasta is pretty crackpot, and to a degree, inherently anti-Semetic. But then again, most religions are (crackpot, at least...)

shookout (shookout), Friday, 13 May 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

I was thinking more like God Shamgod.
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()ops (()()ps), Friday, 13 May 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

nabisco, you never heard bob's "you cannot kill Jah"

H (Heruy), Saturday, 14 May 2005 08:55 (twenty years ago)

This makes me think of a Q&A after a dance performance when I saw a 19-year old white college kid with huge dreads posing a question to the choreographer while adopting an accent and saying "I and I".

-- Mark (r-...) (webmail), May 13th, 2005.

You know, I have to point out here... there actually are white Jamaicans. I work in a Jamaican restaurant and every so often a native born white Jamaican comes in. It always sort of catches me off guard when I first hear their accent.

Mickey (modestmickey), Saturday, 14 May 2005 12:33 (twenty years ago)


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